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"Meth is bad but ritalin and adderal cure everything!"

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curenado said:



"Meth is bad but ritalin and adderal cure everything!"

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piracetam said:
so the dilemma becomes, substitute one vice with another. brilliant.

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exactly.

if ritalin can keep cocaine addicts happy, then why not?

if they arent going to quit, at least make it a bit safer with the legitamately produced amphetamine and methylphenidate

the best thing would be when the addicts decide for themselves that they need to quit, and actually truely beleive it. thats what gets people off drugs, not fancy treatmens (mostly)

if you force someone to quit and they dont want to yet (maybe never), then as soon as you get them clean somehow, in a hospital bed or locked in somewhere for example.
as soon as they get out, they are going to go buy some drugs most likely, as they never wanted to quit anyway.

people should be supporting learning about yourself and correct information, not ibogaine and substituting cocaine for ritalin, or heroin for methadone.

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piracetam said:
and i have a hard time believing ritalin is a solution to addiction. it would likely make the person dependent on ritalin.

but then again, that's how pharm companies make money. ongoing "treatment"

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Tchan909 said:


I think there's a pretty meaningful difference between taking a 10mg tab of ritalin with breakfast and snorting a gram of coke off a mirror with beer.

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But it may not be entirely different than injecting ritalin (which is what they did in the study).

In terms of clinical outcome, methylphenidate has mixed (e.g. relatively poor) results in the treatment of cocaine dependence. 

This brings into question the relevance of laboratory assessments  of "inhibitory control" to actual cocaine abstinence.

Further, if cocaine also reduces "inhibitory control" to a degree similar to methylphenidate, then you're faced with the question of whether methylphenidate would actually outperform a low-dose, cocaine substitution therapy in terms of abstinence.



NIH funded the study.

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Researchers from Yale University gave 10 volunteers Ritalin and then used functional MRI to scan their brain activity while they engaged in a computer task that assessed impulse control. When the 10 subjects received Ritalin, they were better able to control their impulses than during a separate session, two days later, when they received a placebo instead of the medication. Functional MRI scans showed changes from Ritalin use in brain areas that reflect inhibitory control, particularly a region called the ventromedial prefrontal cortex. This part of the brain seems to be crucial to "behavioral control during emotionally difficult situations," the authors wrote. And Ritalin appears to help normalize it.

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There's a major risk involved with exposing mentally fragile people such as those who are serious drug addicts to a 24-hour psychedelic trip, especially when most nurses/doctors are not in the least inclined to hang around with their patients for 24 hours. I'm not going to deny that it all comes down to the bottom line, but if you can think of a way to make ibogaine treatment clinically feasible for any but the richest drug addicts then I'll be all ears.

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IMO psychedelic treatments need to be left in the hand of clergymen. It works for ayahuasca. Why do you think it's protected by law in spite of its rapid growth in reputation among westerners? Because its advocates are religious clergy and churchgoers, not doctors. Most people have a serious and well-justified phobia about having a medical doctor wade around in the deepest darkest parts of their unconscious. Furthermore, the church environment is simply superior to a clinic for administering psychedelic drugs and undergoing mystical journeys, and priests and laymen don't need to be paid for every hour they work with a patient like doctors and nurses do. I'm not saying psychedelics should be off-limits to scientific inquiry, but scientific inquiry should focus on pure understanding of the pharmacology, not on treatment methods, which seem to be vastly more reliable and effective when left in the hands of the religious.

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Ritalin's efficacy in improving impulse control across the board is well-documented. This is not a far-out idea for cheap and safe treatment. I know when I started adderall my drinking plummeted, simply because I became more inclined to think through the potential consequences of my actions before grabbing that bottle of tequila on the way home.

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