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 Re: Why is psilocin/psilocybin in mushrooms, how's does it help the mushrooms life cycle if at all?  [Re: curenado]
#12984351 - 08/01/10 07:06 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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This is a distasteful argument.
RR won't admit that perhaps the shrooms aren't storing the light energy, but rather are just reacting to it as FF suggests.
FastFred won't admit that it doesn't matter, because if shrooms grow better/bigger in light, then RR is basically right, even if he's semantically incorrect. Furthermore Fred is making it sound like this is a crazy, fringe notion, when it's very easy to find a large number of current studies exploring this idea.
You're both wrong. I'm right. I rule. You guys can hate on me instead of each other.
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Re: Why is psilocin/psilocybin in mushrooms, how's does it help the mushrooms life cycle if at all? [Re: fastfred]
#12984365 - 08/01/10 07:12 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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You claim there's literature supporting you, but you can't provide a cite. You claim something is common knowledge, but you've got no link or quote.
-FF
I did provide a citation. You chose not to look at it. By 'common knowledge' I was referring to experienced mushroom growers and mycologists, not the general public. In fact, the entire book containing the citation I gave is a sticky in the gourmet and medicinal forum. Go read chapter 1. In fact, use the month you promised to stay out of advanced mycology to read the whole book. You might learn something about mushrooms. Here, I'll give a short quote. My own research shows even brighter light than Chen reports is optimal, but that's not the point.
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Light
Light is the direct or indirect source of energy for Shiitake.
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When it comes down to the brass tacks you're just a bunch of hot air.
I doubt seriously that hot air grows shiitake of this size underground where the temperature doesn't exceed 65F. I back up what I say with pictures of my own grows, 40 years of cultivation experience, and citations from the literature. I'll put the biological efficiency of my substrate blocks up against any. My shiitake are on average larger, meatier, and have considerably higher weight than any shiitake you're going to find in a grocery store, or even in the literature, for that matter.
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Re: Why is psilocin/psilocybin in mushrooms, how's does it help the mushrooms life cycle if at all? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#12984385 - 08/01/10 07:24 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Just to show that the debate is unresolved even in the scientific community...
:In a paper published online in PLoS One, Casadevall and his colleagues report that ionizing radiation changes the electron structure of the melanin molecule and that fungi with a natural melanin shell (the soil-dwelling Cladosporium sphaerospermum and yeastlike Wangiella dermatitidis varieties), which were deprived of other nutrients, grew better in the presence of radiation. They also report that fungi induced to produce a melanin shell (the human pathogen Cryptococcocus neoformans) grew well in such levels of radiation, unlike those sans pigment. Further, an albino mutant strain of W. dermatitidis failed to thrive as well as its black cousin when exposed to 500 times the normal amount of ionizing radiation (still well below the level of radiation necessary to kill tough fungal forms).
"The presumption has always been that we don't know why truffles and other fungi are black," Casadevall says. "If they have some primitive capacity to harvest sunlight or to harvest some kind of background radiation a lot of them would be using it."
Melanin drinks in ultraviolet rays, acting as a natural sunblock for human skin. "Melanin is very good at absorbing energy and then dissipating it as quickly as possible," says Jennifer Riesz, a biophysicist at the University of Queensland in Brisbane, Australia. "It does this by very efficiently changing the energy into heat."
But Casadevall and his colleague Ekaterina Dadachova, a nuclear chemist at Einstein, speculate that the melanin in this case acts like a step-down electric transformer, weakening the energy until it is useable by the fungi. "The energy becomes … low [at] a certain point where it can already be used by a fungus as chemical energy," Dadachova argues. "Protection doesn't play a role here. It is real energy conversion."
Mycologists and biophysicists find the notion both intriguing and potentially plausible. "Since melanin is used commonly by fungi—and other organisms—to protect themselves against UV radiation, it is perhaps not surprising that melanin would be affected by ionizing radiation,'' says Albert Torzilli, a mycologist at George Mason University in Virginia, adding that "the subsequent enhancement of growth, if true, is a novel response."
Riesz, for one, is skeptical. "It does not surprise me that fungi protected with higher levels of melanin might grow better when exposed to [ionizing radiation], since the nonprotected fungi are more likely to be harmed by the radiation," she says. "However, I find the claim that melanin is involved in energy capture and utilization to be unlikely."
-Scientific American May 22, 2007
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Re: Why is psilocin/psilocybin in mushrooms, how's does it help the mushrooms life cycle if at all? [Re: anonjon]
#12989013 - 08/02/10 02:01 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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good book/doc is the botany of desire. anyone with bio knowledge knows most of teh stuff but he makes it poetic almost but very scientific aswell.
RR what LEDs do you use?? just white or combo colors?
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Re: Why is psilocin/psilocybin in mushrooms, how's does it help the mushrooms life cycle if at all? [Re: the man]
#12989601 - 08/02/10 07:22 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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The Par 30 spotlights are labeled 6500K. The light rope is sold as 'cool white', but according to my camera white balance, they're pretty darn close to 6500K too.
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Re: Why is psilocin/psilocybin in mushrooms, how's does it help the mushrooms life cycle if at all? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#12996379 - 08/03/10 01:23 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Psilocin is very similar to serotonin. Could it be that psilocin has one of the many biological functions that serotonin has in animals? Could it even act as a neurotransmitter?
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Re: Why is psilocin/psilocybin in mushrooms, how's does it help the mushrooms life cycle if at all? [Re: Ollie88]
#13002535 - 08/04/10 03:36 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Ban FastFreddy
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Re: Why is psilocin/psilocybin in mushrooms, how's does it help the mushrooms life cycle if at all? [Re: slssurvivor]
#13002547 - 08/04/10 03:38 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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dude they've tried but he's too fast he can avoid the bans with his agility.
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Re: Why is psilocin/psilocybin in mushrooms, how's does it help the mushrooms life cycle if at all? [Re: Molester]
#13003083 - 08/04/10 05:22 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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In my opinion, FF should become moderator here. It is quite bad, that we have only one opinion ruling here. Perhaps RR and FF could stop their childish personal fights then...
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Re: Why is psilocin/psilocybin in mushrooms, how's does it help the mushrooms life cycle if at all? [Re: Mycelio]
#13004923 - 08/04/10 11:17 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Going out on a limb here...
From an evolutionary standpoint...
It could be that mushrooms developed psilocybin BECAUSE it was pleasing/exciting to early humanoids and other animals.
They would pick the mushrooms (desiring the chemical) and spread the spores/mushrooms/etc around.
The 'mentality' of the mushroom could be:
"Hey, if I produce more of X chemical, my future spawn will become more spread out. I will multiply and conquer this way"
dunno, just a thought...
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Re: Why is psilocin/psilocybin in mushrooms, how's does it help the mushrooms life cycle if at all? [Re: cloudwalker]
#13006022 - 08/05/10 07:23 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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cloudwalker said:
The 'mentality' of the mushroom could be:
"Hey, if I produce more of X chemical, my future spawn will become more spread out. I will multiply and conquer this way"
My mentality is that if I could fly women would all want to mate with me. I think I'll grow some wings.
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Re: Why is psilocin/psilocybin in mushrooms, how's does it help the mushrooms life cycle if at all? [Re: anonjon]
#13006046 - 08/05/10 07:32 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Back on topic please. This thread has been hijacked enough already.
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Re: Why is psilocin/psilocybin in mushrooms, how's does it help the mushrooms life cycle if at all? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#13006050 - 08/05/10 07:35 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said:
Back on topic please. This thread has been hijacked enough already.
RR
Close it? What is there left to say? Or we can get 100 more pages of people suggesting lamarkian evolution.
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Re: Why is psilocin/psilocybin in mushrooms, how's does it help the mushrooms life cycle if at all? [Re: anonjon]
#13006086 - 08/05/10 07:50 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I know. I usually lock these anyway. Nobody knows why psilocybin is in certain mushrooms anymore than they know why deadly toxins are in others, yet still other mushrooms taste delicious and can cure human disease. Why do apples and strawberries taste good and why does poison ivy make you get a rash? Why were Charles Manson, George Bush and Mother Theresa all born in the same century? Nobody knows. I'll probably lock it later, since philosophy is off topic in advanced mycology.
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 Re: Why is psilocin/psilocybin in mushrooms, how's does it help the mushrooms life cycle if at all? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#13008247 - 08/05/10 03:48 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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If my main source is Wikipedia, would it bother you?
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Re: Why is psilocin/psilocybin in mushrooms, how's does it help the mushrooms life cycle if at all? [Re: anonjon]
#13012376 - 08/06/10 12:13 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
anonjon said:
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cloudwalker said:
The 'mentality' of the mushroom could be:
"Hey, if I produce more of X chemical, my future spawn will become more spread out. I will multiply and conquer this way"
My mentality is that if I could fly women would all want to mate with me. I think I'll grow some wings.
That's exactly what I'm thinking about those evolutionary myths. I was about to post exactly the same two days ago lol.
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Re: Why is psilocin/psilocybin in mushrooms, how's does it help the mushrooms life cycle if at all? [Re: Jvells]
#13012869 - 08/06/10 01:51 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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 This thread has been closed.
Reason:
I think it's gone on long enough. Nobody knows why it's there, so all we're left to do is guess, which isn't exactly advanced mycology material.
RR
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