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#12630514 - 05/26/10 08:17 AM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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THIS SITE IS FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO TAKE PSYCHEDELICS. NOT JUNKIES.
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Re: Ultra-pure heroin arrives in US [Re: ukshroomer] 1
#12630789 - 05/26/10 10:16 AM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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UKShroomer Shrieks: "THIS SITE IS FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO TAKE PSYCHEDELICS. NOT JUNKIES."
That is entirely wrong, you are ignorant, presumptive, self righteous, insulting of what you have no knowledge or experience with whatsoever and full of it.
You also have no reason to be so hateful to anyone on this thread. No one has advocated any of the terrible things you're afraid of either.
Who is some noob poster been here less than a year to be dictating what shroomery is for when ALL substances have forums here - surely you have to have noticed that?
The way you think, talk and act is more likely to make someone be a junkie - or you are getting close to the place of being sadder than one I'm not sure which.
Step one is there are junkies, addicts, habitual and occaisional users.
Step two is that there are immutable rules of use - going past them has immutable consequences. Now you know.
Step three is what one does when one has indeed gone beyond the limits of any of the above.
Now we are ready for more advanced and continuing knowledge which is empowerment.
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Edited by curenado (05/26/10 10:26 AM)
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Re: Ultra-pure heroin arrives in US [Re: curenado]
#12631268 - 05/26/10 12:37 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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youre right. i over reacted. it is just that i have seen so many of my friends ruin their lives from both crack and heroin and know very few people who were actually able use it in moderation. most just became addicts due to its availability.
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Re: Ultra-pure heroin arrives in US [Re: ukshroomer] 1
#12631441 - 05/26/10 01:19 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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Understandable.
It is the people who fall into the black trap that we do see and notice because of how rapidly they end up poisoning themselves or sedating their organs past the point of normal function and start the morbid process.
When I was about 18 there was a gung-ho! guy who always overdid and though he acted like it was all good fun he kinda freaked people out because it seemed like a "pleasant" way to pull off being a fiend.
He OD'd and died in a bathtub on Iranian (God...It was something.) and when the police/ambulance came they weren't any kind of sensitive or anything - they just threw him in a bag with a "So what? Fuckin' junkie." attitude and rolled away...
Never forgot that one....
People will sample and experiement and it is the noobs who are at most risk because they may not have much pre-contact with surviving users (it's so anonymous now - used to a kind of a "circle") to know the rules about:
1) Water and how you must mechanically remeber to drink at least 5 quarts a day
2) Vitamin and MINERAL supplements to combat the stripping and burden on the organs
3) Sterile practice and why not to be lazy, dirty or desperate --nasty "Cotton Mary".
4) Evaluating and testing each new batch for your doses i.e. maintenance and nodding
5) The value of being honest with yourself about how far you are seeing yourself go and knowing you can either decompress and reduce yourself again and remain or take the...unfortunate course(s)
6) Not, at all costs, believing the stuff and becoming hypnotized with any substance/over self.
Another girl I knew was bad about it and OD'd. I couldn't even share pleasant talk about it as a break without her getting all mystically obsessed with it - another feature of her was that she had some real life sad issues and hadn't been so well taken care of anyway.
7) De-Tox strategies that are livable for when you too find that you have been dipping just enough, often enough to make yourself a little sick.
I don't see any way but to really put the more information out so that when people do what people will do they stand more of a chance. No one likes to see a person given over to a substance, especially to their death. That hurts you to the point you are saying "No it didn't. I'm OK." and walking away thinking "Must not break the rules or it's me next. Must keep the high standard or it might be my fault too, what happens to someone else."
So welcome to the Opium Den I guess. Be SURE to keep yourself up out of the dark...
Edit: And no matter what you get to thinking DON'T DO the SECOND bump! (Gawd!) 
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Re: Ultra-pure heroin arrives in US [Re: ukshroomer]
#12631559 - 05/26/10 01:44 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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THIS SITE IS FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO TAKE PSYCHEDELICS. NOT JUNKIES.
Wrong. This site is about magic mushrooms, but also has different forum from other drugs (heroin) to political discussion. You do realize that psychedelic using people are not all hippie spiritual people. I am a heroin addict and a psychedelic user. I know you are new to the site, but the above quote is not a good first impression.
I understand you have lost friends to the drugs, but don't blame the drugs. The drugs are not living, they cannot be blamed for anything they simply exist. People are to blame for poor education on the substances, and poor safety techniques while getting high. Sure i don't want to be a heroin addict, but at least i don't steal for my habit or harm other people, and ensure the highest measures of safety for my self and other users. I have the money to get high, its my choice and i'm responsible for my own actions.
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u shoot anyhting into ur arms your a idiot
Then you don't know anything about heroin... The rush from a shot of heroin is the best feeling in the world. People don't want to become junkies man, it just happens. It is all about re-living that first rush. It feels so good that you try to peruse feeling like that all the time, and when you become sick (physically dependent) when your not high then it leaves you with no choice but to be high. It's an obsession of the mind... It's either be sick or be high... the obvious choice is to replace the sickness with getting high.
Just my view point as a heroin addict. I'm also not homeless asking for change, im a white kid from the suburbs attending a 4 year college. The new bread of H addict. If you passed me on the street you would think im just an average student.
Recently my friend fell out in the back of my car while we were coping dope. My one group of mexicans i cop from had some REALLY GOOD shit that was supposed to be 80% pure... all i know is that 1 bag of the stuff rocked my world. I usually need 3-4 bags to nod off, but with my one mexicans stuff i only did one bag and woke up like 45 minutes later on my bed with the needle next to me and i was thinking "holy shit this stuff is amazing." I haven't nodded out for 45 in forever! That dope was the same stuff that my friend fell out in my car from. She started breathing and yelling at people to get off here, but it was scary. When ever i'm passing along a couple bags for a friends who wants dope if its ever super fire like that batch was you just gotta tell them "be careful or this stuff will kill you" because once its in your veins there is no coming back.
The only thing the mexicans ever say about the really potent stuff is that "es bueno" they don't make you aware of how dangerous the stuff really is, because of the language barrier. It is up to the next guy the food chain to make aware of the users how strong the stuff is... and a lot of the time dope is sold right after it is bought and no one has had a chance to try it
The market varies sometimes the heroin is potent, other times is god awful shit. Depends on a number of variables.
just my two cents.
Lmao I doubt it bud I have heard all the stories from a whole lotta lots lol and its all the same in the end
PEOPLE who HAVENT TRIED it wont understand well there not much to get while you watch the people you love in front of you die
Please do not start to talk about the benefits of heroin when there are none to begin with ..And the whole lot about theres more users which makes up for the death ratio the potency has nothing to do with it...THe potency has everything to do with it ...and jesus how many people smoke dope(marijauna for all you smart foke out there)and never once you hear of anyone dieing ...
I have heard it from the best of tweakers
and my opinion stands strong ...Delusional
ANd your right about the market and all but there shouldn't be one to begin with there no happy trails at the end of the road with heroin just goddamn fiend's ..
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Re: Ultra-pure heroin arrives in US [Re: kelpfish]
#12634720 - 05/26/10 11:27 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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Ive never tried heroin but lately I've been thinking about it. I would love to experience it. Ive heard good things and bad things. If you think there's no positive reason to take heroin then you're just ignorant.
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Re: Ultra-pure heroin arrives in US [Re: aledos]
#12634783 - 05/26/10 11:37 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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i only snorted a little ten bag. i smoke a bowl before it and i just felt amazing. simply amazing.
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Re: Ultra-pure heroin arrives in US [Re: oh_you_know]
#12634887 - 05/26/10 11:52 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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<< it wont understand well there not much to get while you watch the people you love in front of you die>>
Sorry about your personal tragedies if they are real, but it has nothing to do with me or others. Stop blaming the substance and accept your peeps had probs -the heroin was just the vehicle.
<<Please do not start to talk about the benefits of heroin when there are none to begin with>>
I think one has to have some experience to be credible on that...bit more mature too.
<< just goddamn fiend's >>
In goddam shitholes maybe - again this may be your personal experience or life but not everyone's or even anyone else's problem
This also isn't a stupid pub debate - people just sharin gthier own thoughts and experiences and you already said yours which are pretty negative and ugly - that's not me, my life or my problem and I decline to accept your either way sad or else made up version of it.
Not everybody is a self defeating, self destructive craze on a death wish - sorry if you can't get your head around that or it pisses you off.
<<ANd your right about the market and all but there shouldn't be one to begin with>>
That is a matter of opinion in which I am afraid you are completely out-voted. Look around. My opinion is there should be a nice market - but I am responcible for myself and people need to learn and be responcible for their own self as well. Yes, a nice market with differnt style dens so one can get out here and there and take a day off.
To others - read the rules and think about taking good care of yourself. "Or else" I guess right?
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Edited by curenado (05/27/10 12:13 AM)
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Re: Ultra-pure heroin arrives in US [Re: curenado]
#12635084 - 05/27/10 12:18 AM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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PM dobie for more info
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Re: Ultra-pure heroin arrives in US [Re: fapjack]
#12636568 - 05/27/10 07:19 AM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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It was blatantly obvious heroin addiction was going to go way up with all these kids getting strung out on oxycodone. Heroin is too damn cheap for it to not at some point become an option.
Fapjack is totally right here... I've tried every opiate you can think of BESIDES heroin, and that's only because I've never had it available.
Where I'm from, pills are still King- but they're getting ridiculously expensive and impractical for a daily habit.
I can tell you with 100% surety, that if I had heroin available in the depths of my pill addiction, I would have switched in a heartbeat.
Heroin is only going to become more popular, as pills become more scarce or expensive.
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Re: Ultra-pure heroin arrives in US [Re: Adamist]
#12638201 - 05/27/10 02:21 PM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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Pure bullshit.
Once again all problems that are best addressed with actual education, legalization, and regulation which Americans do not receive.
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But in recent years, Mexican drug dealers have improved the way they process poppies, the brightly colored flowers supplied by drug farmers that provide the raw ingredients for heroin, opium and painkillers such as morphine. Purity levels have increased, and prices have fallen.
No that hasn't happened. What's happened is prohibition makes drugs so profitable that the drugs are getting more pure. It's amazing how casually they create a lie in the interest of the private prison and pharmaceutical industry. One sentence is bullshit, the second isn't, but they're put next to each other to imply that one is connected to the other. The second sentence isn't even a lie, but the implied reason is. Business assholes in the media helping business assholes in other industries, evading responsibility for their trail of destruction.
When you refine opium it's extremely pure stuff you get, upper 90's. After that point the drug is cut. It's a lack of cutting due to the economics of prohibition that is responsible for the increase in purity.
Potency has nothing to do with "poppy processing" and only a poorly educated person would take that at face value. Same bullshit, different day, trying to blame the drug pushers for the bad effects.
Same shit with "customer for life." Few are a customer for life after doing heroin once. They're a customer for life living in a brutal, primitive society that places little value on compassion.
Edited by 5-HT2A (05/29/10 03:40 AM)
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Re: Ultra-pure heroin arrives in US [Re: 5-HT2A]
#12650153 - 05/29/10 01:21 PM (3 years, 20 days ago) |
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lmao give me a break theres no golden road with herion stop trying to sugar it out anyone that ever go's into that stuff is defined by it through out there life or is lucky enough to get out only two choices here...there is no resonable way of taking this shit lol no smart way here fokes...
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Re: Ultra-pure heroin arrives in US [Re: kelpfish]
#12650161 - 05/29/10 01:23 PM (3 years, 20 days ago) |
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Re: Ultra-pure heroin arrives in US [Re: kelpfish]
#12650204 - 05/29/10 01:34 PM (3 years, 20 days ago) |
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kelpfish said:
lmao give me a break theres no golden road with herion stop trying to sugar it out anyone that ever go's into that stuff is defined by it through out there life or is lucky enough to get out only two choices here...there is no resonable way of taking this shit lol no smart way here fokes...
Are you doing a Telethon we dont know about?
(Ha! Sorry - just playing around a little)
Its clear you have very strong feelings about this and it was not my purpose to force you to agree with me as if you were wrong, but perhaps just not all right about everyone and everything.
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Edited by curenado (05/29/10 01:37 PM)
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Re: Ultra-pure heroin arrives in US [Re: curenado]
#12653410 - 05/30/10 01:34 AM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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I love how repeat opiate users will defend their substance of choice from verbal attacks and justify the abuse of such every which way. It merely exposes the truth of their slavery to their own addictions.
Ive known several Shroomerites to OD. One i knew in real life. They were just as adamant about the safety and responsible use. They didn't wake up after one final "responsible" use. They didn't have a problem. They were functioning normal members of society, they just took too much or didn't breathe enough.
Either way i will never touch opiates. Ever. Fuck that.
Have fun junkies.  
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Re: Ultra-pure heroin arrives in US [Re: ShroomDoom]
#12653440 - 05/30/10 01:41 AM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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You're just envious of the undoubtedly painless way in which junkies make their final ascent into the Void.
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Re: Ultra-pure heroin arrives in US [Re: Adamist]
#12654532 - 05/30/10 10:14 AM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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<<I love how repeat opiate users will defend their substance of choice from verbal attacks and justify the abuse of such every which way. It merely exposes the truth of their slavery to their own addictions.>>
No it doesn't. Sorry about your loser friends. Maybe you should upgrade? Climb up out the toilet and you won't see all turds...
BTW - I think everyone should have a "I messed up once" card for every experiment. I don't fault people the first time they get themselves a little sick with something. But after that they know for sure then...
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Re: Ultra-pure heroin arrives in US [Re: curenado]
#12654919 - 05/30/10 12:09 PM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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curenado said:
No it doesn't. Sorry about your loser friends. Maybe you should upgrade? Climb up out the toilet and you won't see all turds...
Tay2 Was a contributing member of this forum and good person. He was not a loser, he was a college student 1 year a way from a degree.
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