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Monotub won't fruit, polyfil too tight?
    #12625193 - 05/25/10 12:09 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I've had a fully colonized monotub going for about about 9 days now, and I have yet to see any pinning. My hygrometer reads 94% at all times, and I have a fan running in the room almost 24/7.

Could my polyfil be too tight, preventing sufficient fresh air exchange?
I'll provide pics tonight.


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Re: Monotub won't fruit, polyfil too tight? [Re: TheReckoning]
    #12625220 - 05/25/10 12:14 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Maybe. What's your lighting like?


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Re: Monotub won't fruit, polyfil too tight? [Re: Doc_T]
    #12625233 - 05/25/10 12:16 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

if its over colonized then it could be what is called "overlay". where the mycelium has bunched and needs loosened. but i doubt thats it. ive had some take two weeks to fruit.


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Re: Monotub won't fruit, polyfil too tight? [Re: joshisstoned]
    #12625241 - 05/25/10 12:19 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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"overlay".






Incredibly unlikely in a monotub.


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Re: Monotub won't fruit, polyfil too tight? [Re: joshisstoned]
    #12625256 - 05/25/10 12:23 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think it's overlay, the mycelium looks very consistent and healthy imo.

As for my lighting, I just have four 2" holes on the top of the lid letting natural light in. Should I add more holes, and maybe add some sort of artificial lighting?


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Re: Monotub won't fruit, polyfil too tight? [Re: TheReckoning]
    #12625269 - 05/25/10 12:28 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

eh you don't even need light for it to pin.  light just gives the shrooms direction to grow really.
if you are fanning your air exchange should be fine
Ive also had mono tubs take up to two weeks to pin..  perhaps cold shock it if you want but id just wait. Ive found that these things don't work on much of a time schedule sometimes and just do what they want

if you have no contams your good just be patient.


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Re: Monotub won't fruit, polyfil too tight? [Re: SoulJah2]
    #12625818 - 05/25/10 02:49 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think it's good advice to underestimate the importance of lighting as a pinning trigger. And I don't think anyone has much stock in cold shocking anything anymore, I feel that idea has been debunked for some time now.


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Re: Monotub won't fruit, polyfil too tight? [Re: Immunity]
    #12626581 - 05/25/10 05:24 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Lots of bright light (in the right spectrum of course) and lots of fresh air exchange  are what you need.

Are you misting/fanning your tub at all? If not I would recommend it.

You need light. Period.


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Re: Monotub won't fruit, polyfil too tight? [Re: dancefloordale]
    #12626676 - 05/25/10 05:37 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

once I put mine into fruiting conditions I take all the poly fill out at the top and mist ass needed to keep humidity up but thats just me never a problum


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Re: Monotub won't fruit, polyfil too tight? [Re: gus330]
    #12627858 - 05/25/10 08:49 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I have been misting and fanning a few times a day. There is light, just not a direct source. Will any light help in this case, say a desk lamp?

Here is a picture of my setup, let me know what you think.


And the colonized substrate, a little excess moisture beads, any opinions?


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Re: Monotub won't fruit, polyfil too tight? [Re: TheReckoning]
    #12627890 - 05/25/10 08:53 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

It looks good to me. As far as the lid situation goes, have you considered cutting out a large rectangle in the middle and adding clear tape to both sides? That's what I did with my tubs and they work great.


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Re: Monotub won't fruit, polyfil too tight? [Re: TheReckoning]
    #12627942 - 05/25/10 09:02 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I would remove the polyfill or add more holes if you are going to leave it in, since fresh air and the resulting moisture cycle between evaporation and misting is a major pinning trigger.

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There is light, just not a direct source. Will any light help in this case, say a desk lamp?




Bright light could be just what this needs to get jump started. You want a fluorescent lamp in the 6500k spectrum (daylight).


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Re: Monotub won't fruit, polyfil too tight? [Re: TheReckoning]
    #12628183 - 05/25/10 09:39 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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I have been misting and fanning a few times a day. There is light, just not a direct source. Will any light help in this case, say a desk lamp?

Here is a picture of my setup, let me know what you think.


And the colonized substrate, a little excess moisture beads, any opinions?




First, patience is needed. PE can take a month to pin, mine has done this. Second. Leave the tub alone. Leave the lid shut and let it do it's thing.


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Re: Monotub won't fruit, polyfil too tight? [Re: SoulJah2]
    #12628431 - 05/25/10 10:18 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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eh you don't even need light for it to pin.  light just gives the shrooms direction to grow really.





This is incorrect.  Light is a major pinning trigger, and is very necessary for a good pinset.  Light also doesn't tell them which way to grow.  Gravity does that.  Even in total darkness, the mushrooms that form will grow straight up, opposite gravity.  Mushrooms grow towards light because they're deriving energy from it.

To the original poster, take the polyfill out at full colonization.  Fresh air is the number one pinning trigger.  Get a 6500K fluorescent light and let it shine in through the sides of the terrarium.
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Re: Monotub won't fruit, polyfil too tight? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #12628459 - 05/25/10 10:21 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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To the original poster, take the polyfill out at full colonization.  Fresh air is the number one pinning trigger




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Re: Monotub won't fruit, polyfil too tight? [Re: mister]
    #12628506 - 05/25/10 10:28 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

As long as your humidty is undercontrol there's no such thing as too much FAE.  Loosen your polyfil.  I just recently did the same with a tub that hadn't even really knotted at 11 days.  After loosening, turning up my ceiling fan, and adding the occasionaly manual fanning I had great knotting within 24 hours and pins are on the way.  Although I think FAE is the more important of the two, I'm a big fan of 6500 temp lighting with as many lumens is as reasonable too.  I have four ninety watt lights over my FC table and it works well. 

That said, sometimes I've waited well over two weeks for pins with MS.  I just started my first PE jars so I can't say from experience but they're notorious for taking forever (but worth the wait I hear).

Your tub looks great--I think good things are coming.


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Re: Monotub won't fruit, polyfil too tight? [Re: Dharmatripper]
    #12628528 - 05/25/10 10:32 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Also, take a look at some of the posts RR has about using wax paper as a psuedo casing layer.  I'm just know giving it a go myself--bought wax paper today. 

I would keep a close eye on your humidity if you take your polyfill out in whole.  I use 2 inch holes in my tubs and with no poly my humidity plummets despite tenacious misting.  It all depends on your ambient RH and the size of your holes of course.


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Re: Monotub won't fruit, polyfil too tight? [Re: Dharmatripper]
    #12637565 - 05/27/10 12:28 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

apparently my knowledge is dated.  Last thing i knew was that mushrooms did not get energy from light as plants do. but used it for direction.  I've fruited many tubs without light. the only adverse effect seemed to be that they grew  down into the sides of the tub and all over the place rather then upright and pretty.  although i do remember that light in the blue spectrum seemed most effective. again i thought it was just for direction, considering fungus contain no chlorophyll nor do they gain nourishment through photosynthesis.


RR do you have any info you could perhaps PM me on the topic? If my knowledge is indeed dated i would like to become more current.


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Re: Monotub won't fruit, polyfil too tight? [Re: mister]
    #12637599 - 05/27/10 12:34 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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First, patience is needed. PE can take a month to pin, mine has done this. Second. Leave the tub alone. Leave the lid shut and let it do it's thing.




Took the words right out of my mouth. PE is slow. That tub looks great. Just wait it out. I wouldn't even open it to mist it anymore.


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Re: Monotub won't fruit, polyfil too tight? [Re: FooMan]
    #12640527 - 05/27/10 08:20 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for the advice everyone, it has been really helpful! I decided to leave the polyfil in, but a lot looser. It wasn't maintaining humidity very well with no polyfil.

I even got some pins! Though they are really small and will wait for a few more before I snag some pics.

I took the advice of Interrobang and cut a large rectangle, then added clear packing tape to both sides. I also picked up a clamp lamp at Home Depot and a 6500K light bulb, so I have that running on it now. Here are some pics:





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