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 Re: [CA] Man eats a guy's Heart on Mushrooms (real)  [Re: auweia]
#12675244 - 06/02/10 11:52 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Let's hope they do the right thing and identify which mushroom it is. As well as find that the effects were caused by a fuckup with severe psychological problems.
Saying it's the mushroom's fault is like blaming age for the cause of someone's schizophrenia, if psilocybe is found. You know, if someone has a latent condition, it will either come out with a bad psychedelic experience, or will come out with age later on.
(Or, the psychs could be used therapeutically starting with low doses, and the neurosis could be cured, like they did with thousands of people in the 50-60s with LSD and psilocybin. Alcoholics as well.)
When I was a kid until a teenager, I had terrible OCD. To the point that I would check light switches five or six times by flicking them to make sure the light was off when I left a room. Or spin in a circle when leaving a room so I felt like I was facing the same direction I was when I walked in, or something. Marijuana calmed it, then LSD/Mushies blew it out of the water. After one intense experience, more of my brain was made available, and I was able to recognize and identify the uselessness of my neurosis.. and it vanished.
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Re: [CA] Man eats a guy's Heart on Mushrooms (real) [Re: ServantOfBaphomet]
#12675745 - 06/03/10 01:09 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Those are called "movies'. I hate to tell you, but they're not real. The entire time I was watchin fear and loathing, I was thinking, "These people's reactions to drugs are so not what they should be." When they ate acid, they acted like they were drunk and being overly expressive. I can't remember exact details on the rest, but usually drugs are portrayed with bullshit effects in movies.
Jesus Christ. A shroomerite referencing movies with drugs and real life. Fuck man.
Yea, I agree. When I saw fear and loathing I couldn't believe it was like the druggie favorite. It seemed to me more like the favorite of a druggie wannabe who thinks that is what drugs are like. The problem is, most drug use is pretty fucking boring from the outside. Mostly you just laugh and look at the wall going "woah, dude." Using a movie reference to justify the feasibility of shroom-induced murder is fucking disgraceful
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Re: [CA] Man eats a guy's Heart on Mushrooms (real) [Re: ServantOfBaphomet]
#12675769 - 06/03/10 01:13 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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then there's the John Hopkins study, followed by some others
http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/press_releases/2006/07_11_06.html
the mystery of true psychedelics is that it's been very difficult to recreate the same results twice...Up until recently with controlled conditions
I personally think this is the reason why the press is so hot on it..heroin and cocaine, people KNOW what those drugs do...
Psychedelics?..not so much, and it's that mystery that drives speculation and fear
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 Re: [CA] Man eats a guy's Heart on Mushrooms (real) [Re: bloodsheen]
#12675771 - 06/03/10 01:13 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thank you. I thought I was alone on this. 
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Re: [CA] Man eats a guy's Heart on Mushrooms (real) [Re: ServantOfBaphomet]
#12676970 - 06/03/10 07:15 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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I thought ya'll were supposed to have open minds. Why deny the fact that adding mushrooms to a certain situation could lead to violence?
That situation could include previous, current, or latent psychological disorders. It could include other drugs like alcohol, or in this case perhaps steroids. 
Could the situation be controlled? Of course! That's what shroomery and other information sites are for.  That's also what governments do. No matter how responsible you are there's always going to be idiots.
That's why other cultures/religions have such ceremony, ritual, and shamans to administer these powerful drugs.
Our society is too culturally diverse to accept potentially dangerous drugs to be freely used. And most people don't believe in whatever religions or cultures previously used mushrooms. So we're left with scientific study and underground, uncontrolled use.
I believe science has a lot to learn about mushroom's possible risks and benefits.
I also believe that many people are already discovering things for themselves that have yet to be proven with science.
Personal experience with psychedelics is not a scientific study. Case studies and anecdotal stories aren't proof that mushrooms are completely benign.
OP isn't the first story of violent behavior and mushrooms. There's a few of them on this site and every time I read them I notice people are so quick to downplay the role of the drug in the behavior.
I thought psychedelic drug users could be more open minded than other types of drug users. But I guess it's all a part of the "my club is the bestest" mentality that pervades any type of cutlure ie. Sport culture, Outdoors culture, Vegitarian culture, Dog breeding culture, Drug culture.
Take some more shrooms and realize that it's all just putting up walls between yourself and the universe with which we are all connected. We're all a part of the human culture.
The benefits of mushrooms surely outweigh the negative. But it's also a pretty good hypothesis that they sometimes cause psychological and physical damage.
The world is not a safe place in regards to your sanity and wellbeing. Bad things happen and it's all just a part of chemistry, evolution ect. The human drama unfolds on a grain of sand, on a grain of sand, on a grain of sand, on a grain of sand, on a grain of sand in the universe.  And in the blink of an eye, we have come and gone extinct. Our thoughts are almost meaningless in the grand scheme of things.
And then you come down from the trip and go on shroomery, read this article and think, "how could this possibly happen? I've never thought about killing anyone on shrooms. This has to be some mistake! The possibilities of expanding consciousness and thinking can't include murder! 
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Re: [CA] Man eats a guy's Heart on Mushrooms (real) [Re: Johnny Depp]
#12677156 - 06/03/10 09:14 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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The point is, anyone who does something like this has underlying psychological issues, and THAT is the source of their actions, NOT the drugs.
Drugs can catalyze these issues to the surface, yes.. but they are not the true *source* of a person's actions under the influence.
That responsibility lies solely on the user. Blaming drugs is an attempt to avoid that responsibility, and to demonize something beyond a disturbed individual.
People here rightly take issue with the idea of blaming drugs for the actions performed while on them.
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Re: [CA] Man eats a guy's Heart on Mushrooms (real) [Re: Adamist]
#12682010 - 06/04/10 01:10 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: [CA] Man eats a guy's Heart on Mushrooms (real) [Re: Adamist]
#12688076 - 06/04/10 11:10 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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The point is, anyone who does something like this has underlying psychological issues, and THAT is the source of their actions, NOT the drugs.
Drugs can catalyze these issues to the surface, yes.. but they are not the true *source* of a person's actions under the influence.
That responsibility lies solely on the user. Blaming drugs is an attempt to avoid that responsibility, and to demonize something beyond a disturbed individual.
People here rightly take issue with the idea of blaming drugs for the actions performed while on them.
Yea, and can't you say that about pretty much everything that crime is related to? Alcohol, your wife cheating on you, the dog shitting on the rug. Every crime has a catalyst, few people wake up one day, stretch, and are like "Ahhhhh, looks like a good day to fuck a dude up." If people don't start realizing that using drugs is a catalyst like anything else they won't realize why drugs are such a huge problem in society
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Re: [CA] Man eats a guy's Heart on Mushrooms (real) [Re: bloodsheen]
#12689422 - 06/05/10 03:33 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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The point is, anyone who does something like this has underlying psychological issues, and THAT is the source of their actions, NOT the drugs.
Drugs can catalyze these issues to the surface, yes.. but they are not the true *source* of a person's actions under the influence.
That responsibility lies solely on the user. Blaming drugs is an attempt to avoid that responsibility, and to demonize something beyond a disturbed individual.
People here rightly take issue with the idea of blaming drugs for the actions performed while on them.
Yea, and can't you say that about pretty much everything that crime is related to? Alcohol, your wife cheating on you, the dog shitting on the rug. Every crime has a catalyst, few people wake up one day, stretch, and are like "Ahhhhh, looks like a good day to fuck a dude up." If people don't start realizing that using drugs is a catalyst like anything else they won't realize why drugs are such a huge problem in society
This guy has to be a cop for some organization under the government. He'll get on here and try to "catch" people trading things, and be an asshole too and voice his socially-repressed opinions to smarter people.
Look, if the guy hadn't been eating food for the few days up until then, I guarantee he wouldn't have had the energy to do any of that shit, he probably would have put off drinking the tea or even hanging out. So there, food is now one of the major catalysts of this terrible ordeal.
Try to look at the bigger picture, dufus.
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Re: [CA] Man eats a guy's Heart on Mushrooms (real) [Re: ServantOfBaphomet]
#12689598 - 06/05/10 04:38 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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the big picture is drugs do affect the mind, thats why people take them. Yes its true some people do have underlying issues, but thats not the point, the point is that the drugs pushed them over the limit.
I do agree that the person should take some responsability for this however, they made the choice to take the drug, so they should have some responsability for the actions. However, here is a big difference, this guy was so fucked up he cut out a heart...when your that fucked up you really don't know wtf your doing, and the drug is "directly" responsible for putting the person into that state and to that extent you can't entirely blame it on some previous aliment.
So unless the person "planned" to cut the guys heart out before getting fucked up on drugs...its safe to say the drugs are what lead to this. Had he not been on drugs that night, it wouldn't have happened most likely. But again he did chose to take them, he chose a none safe enviroment, he showed disrespect for the drugs he was taking, and hence fucked up shit happen, so to a certain extent he is responsible for making bad decisions.
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Re: [CA] Man eats a guy's Heart on Mushrooms (real) [Re: bloodsheen] 1
#12690057 - 06/05/10 08:42 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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The point is, anyone who does something like this has underlying psychological issues, and THAT is the source of their actions, NOT the drugs.
Drugs can catalyze these issues to the surface, yes.. but they are not the true *source* of a person's actions under the influence.
That responsibility lies solely on the user. Blaming drugs is an attempt to avoid that responsibility, and to demonize something beyond a disturbed individual.
People here rightly take issue with the idea of blaming drugs for the actions performed while on them.
Yea, and can't you say that about pretty much everything that crime is related to? Alcohol, your wife cheating on you, the dog shitting on the rug. Every crime has a catalyst, few people wake up one day, stretch, and are like "Ahhhhh, looks like a good day to fuck a dude up." If people don't start realizing that using drugs is a catalyst like anything else they won't realize why drugs are such a huge problem in society
Nice try... society's problems are not my direct concern, or the direct concern of government in this sense.
If the AVERAGE drug users displayed such behavior sure, but im sure you dont give a fuck about what happened to me as a kid when im ripping out your heart and eating your demons.
Im sure your not worried about how i got laid off last week, while im slicing through your chest with my deer knife... etc.
You think some shit like this in intensity never happened because a husband walked in on a cheating wife? more murders happen because of that than psychedelics i bet you.
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Re: [CA] Man eats a guy's Heart on Mushrooms (real) [Re: makaveli8x8]
#12690161 - 06/05/10 09:32 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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this guy was so fucked up he cut out a heart...when your that fucked up you really don't know wtf your doing, and the drug is "directly" responsible for putting the person into that state and to that extent you can't entirely blame it on some previous aliment.
So unless the person "planned" to cut the guys heart out before getting fucked up on drugs...its safe to say the drugs are what lead to this.
Odds are, this Juggalo had vivid fantasies of brutal violence long before he ever touched psychedelics.
He was an MMA enthusiast- an example in itself of his likely obsession with violence.
MMA was probably an outlet for his twisted urges, as were taking drugs..
He could have used some beefcake MMA moves on the victim before tearing out his heart, but we aren't blaming MMA for the crime are we?
Is it Mortal Kombat's fault because he played it as a kid?
Is it ICP's fault for marketing shitty violent music to confused outcasts like the OP?
No, it's his own sick mind who's at the source here... Everything else just reinforced it.
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Re: [CA] Man eats a guy's Heart on Mushrooms (real) [Re: Adamist]
#12690260 - 06/05/10 10:12 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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playing video games desensities people true, mind altering drugs alter the mind, there both bad, but if you can't see how a massive ego loss trip could alter a person mind so much that they don't know what they are doing and caused the story to unfold, then i really don't know what else to say to you.
You can give 1,000 people drugs, and if you send them all into a massive ego loss trip, shit is going to hit the fan....thats the whole fucking reason people have sitters, to keep people safe...now why is that? because anybody and everybody could be unsafe at high doses...this is pure logic here man.
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Re: [CA] Man eats a guy's Heart on Mushrooms (real) [Re: makaveli8x8]
#12690420 - 06/05/10 11:17 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ego loss does not necessitate violence towards others though.
I've seen plenty of people lose their egos, and mainly they were a danger to themselves, not others.
Obviously this guy's violent tendencies came from his own mind, not the drug... it was latent within him.
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Re: [CA] Man eats a guy's Heart on Mushrooms (real) [Re: makaveli8x8]
#12692028 - 06/05/10 05:01 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think you all need to read this thread all the way through and pay attention to every post.. it was prolly amanita muscaria that they were using.
If you've never used it, you wouldn't understand. I would bet five hundred dollars it was muscaria. That guy who posted who said he lived there said that it's one of the major outside mushrooms.
Muscaria has this really far out-to-insane feeling to it that will make you do things you don't normally do. React in really inappropriate ways. Think very untrue and inappropriate thoughts like "The devil is in my friend, I have to save his soul by killing the body."
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Re: [CA] Man eats a guy's Heart on Mushrooms (real) [Re: makaveli8x8]
#12692040 - 06/05/10 05:04 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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playing video games desensities people true, mind altering drugs alter the mind, there both bad, but if you can't see how a massive ego loss trip could alter a person mind so much that they don't know what they are doing and caused the story to unfold, then i really don't know what else to say to you.
You can give 1,000 people drugs, and if you send them all into a massive ego loss trip, shit is going to hit the fan....thats the whole fucking reason people have sitters, to keep people safe...now why is that? because anybody and everybody could be unsafe at high doses...this is pure logic here man.
You moron, the true ego loss that comes with psilo's will have you cowering in the presence of the all, everything, nature, the Light. You speak of true ego loss as if you've actually experienced it. Timothy Leary said that out of most people who trip high doses, only a very very select few experience the Clear Light and true ego death.
This guy was obviously not dosed high enough on the right kind of mushrooms, or he would have had ego loss, and not tried to fight for his ego.
Fucking Christ.
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Re: [CA] Man eats a guy's Heart on Mushrooms (real) [Re: ServantOfBaphomet]
#12693441 - 06/05/10 09:36 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Bump?
All the true shroomerites on here and no one else has an opinion worth voicing on this situation? How many of you have had muscaria, especially in high doses.
A lot of evidence points to this being a case of the madness of muscaria.
Bong hits.
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Re: [CA] Man eats a guy's Heart on Mushrooms (real) [Re: ServantOfBaphomet]
#12693503 - 06/05/10 09:51 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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playing video games desensities people true, mind altering drugs alter the mind, there both bad, but if you can't see how a massive ego loss trip could alter a person mind so much that they don't know what they are doing and caused the story to unfold, then i really don't know what else to say to you.
You can give 1,000 people drugs, and if you send them all into a massive ego loss trip, shit is going to hit the fan....thats the whole fucking reason people have sitters, to keep people safe...now why is that? because anybody and everybody could be unsafe at high doses...this is pure logic here man.
You moron, the true ego loss that comes with psilo's will have you cowering in the presence of the all, everything, nature, the Light. You speak of true ego loss as if you've actually experienced it. Timothy Leary said that out of most people who trip high doses, only a very very select few experience the Clear Light and true ego death.
This guy was obviously not dosed high enough on the right kind of mushrooms, or he would have had ego loss, and not tried to fight for his ego.
Fucking Christ.
so from everything i said, your only comeback is about the ego loss? typical. I was making a point about going really far down the rabbit hole, we don't need a lecture on Tim leary and his bibliography and how much his cock got smoked by some people.
People have jumped off buildings and done all kinds of stupid shit while under the influence, believe it or not doing drugs can indeed be dangerous. Lots of poeple were ending up in hospitals, which is why they got banned in amsterdam. You can't just say your "only" a danger to yourself under the influence, thats just pure stupidity.
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Re: [CA] Man eats a guy's Heart on Mushrooms (real) [Re: Adamist]
#12693512 - 06/05/10 09:53 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ego loss does not necessitate violence towards others though.
I've seen plenty of people lose their egos, and mainly they were a danger to themselves, not others.
Obviously this guy's violent tendencies came from his own mind, not the drug... it was latent within him.
Maybe he was violent, but his mind, in the real unaltered world, was doing just fine. He took a "drug", and went ape shit. Had he not taken the drug, this wouldn't have happened most likely. This is the bottom line, and no matter how many drugs you take it won't change the facts.
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Re: [CA] Man eats a guy's Heart on Mushrooms (real) [Re: makaveli8x8]
#12693757 - 06/05/10 10:50 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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playing video games desensities people true, mind altering drugs alter the mind, there both bad, but if you can't see how a massive ego loss trip could alter a person mind so much that they don't know what they are doing and caused the story to unfold, then i really don't know what else to say to you.
You can give 1,000 people drugs, and if you send them all into a massive ego loss trip, shit is going to hit the fan....thats the whole fucking reason people have sitters, to keep people safe...now why is that? because anybody and everybody could be unsafe at high doses...this is pure logic here man.
You moron, the true ego loss that comes with psilo's will have you cowering in the presence of the all, everything, nature, the Light. You speak of true ego loss as if you've actually experienced it. Timothy Leary said that out of most people who trip high doses, only a very very select few experience the Clear Light and true ego death.
This guy was obviously not dosed high enough on the right kind of mushrooms, or he would have had ego loss, and not tried to fight for his ego.
Fucking Christ.
so from everything i said, your only comeback is about the ego loss? typical. I was making a point about going really far down the rabbit hole, we don't need a lecture on Tim leary and his bibliography and how much his cock got smoked by some people.
People have jumped off buildings and done all kinds of stupid shit while under the influence, believe it or not doing drugs can indeed be dangerous. Lots of poeple were ending up in hospitals, which is why they got banned in amsterdam. You can't just say your "only" a danger to yourself under the influence, thats just pure stupidity.
I'll be honest. You are voicing yourself with partial stupidity, yet blame me for pure stupidity. Look, .001 percent of people that do psychedelics at high doses do stupid things. But you know what? It's not the drug, it's them. The drug makes more of their true selves available to their conscious psyche, and they turn into the little kids that they grew up from, since that part, and more parts of the brain opens up
You still haven't gotten the whole point of this. Weird you say things with an attitude that completely contrasts the ideas in your signature.
Things are the way they are. I say if someone is schizo, let 'em be schizo. Feed them high doses of psychedelics so it can come out and they can learn to deal with it. We're only here for a short time. The entire human existence isn't even a blink of an eye to just partial history of our little milky way.
Fucking Christ, preach what you practice.
Edit: I really wonder how many feds are on here trying to catch what-have-you.. and just decide to get arrogant and type their opinions as if they could change someone's mind. This site, I believe, is the most popular "drug" forum on the entire internet in the english language. You don't think they have dozens, if not dozens and dozens, of Feds on here acting like regular heads trying to find someone stupid enough to send or trade them something? It's very obvious to me. I just don't know how many, or exactly who, but I do know.
Now that I've focused my power on this, Machiavelli is most likely not one, but pay attention to some of these other posts on here.
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Love is the Law, Love under Will
-"The Book of the Law"
Nuit, Hadit, Ra-Hoor Khuit, Aleister Crowley the Sacred Scribe
-Frank-
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