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wowcoolman said:
cactus has nausea which is followed by intense euphoria. 2ce has neither of that for me. which allows me to focus on visuals more. and also it's a lot easier to think and use deductive reasoning and such on 2ce. very clear-headed trip. also speedy

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yeah i have severe nausea and intense euphoria with both.
both of those exaggerated on 2C-E actually. the euphoria
i had really shocked me. a welcome surprise of course.
and yeah- i felt really speedy but i was tripping too
hard to actually make sentences for most of it...

not so much for me on precise thinking either- i mean,
it was there for sure, but definitely not like on something
like lsd for me. the major factor IME was the fucking fantasy.
i mean, full fucking blown fantasy- if i could imagine it, my
mind's eye could picture it in magnificent, pristine psychedelic
interpretations... i'm in love

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wowcoolman said:
ywah it's like being in a dream, man. i haven't tried lsd yet

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when my friend and i were discussing this trip we both
likened the peak experience (the out of body,
turn-on-a-dime cartoon visual circus of beauty)
to a perfectly vivid, perfectly lucid dream.
except i was quite certainly awake.


and LSD is a different creature completely if you ask me.
completely different nature- visually, bodily, and mentally IMO.
although the fractals could be strongly similar at times.

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starfire_xes said:
2C-E as well as every other phenethylamine are organic substances, nature just hasn't showed them to us yet.  they are even starting to find substituted amphetamines that some of the ones previously thought of as lab only are in the leaves of acacia trees.

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i really think that point is moot when taking safety into
consideration, which is most often the basis of the "organic
drug" thing. consider radon.

but i'm getting off point. take what you're comfortable with. /that.
this experience was incredibly intense, amazing and beneficial for
me. i've felt more alert and excited about life in general since the
trip and it's been over a week.

also, it changed the way i think
about visuals- honestly. it added
so many new layers to what i considered
psychedelic imagery. furthermore, i feel
like a lot of the phenomena that occurred
during that trip were objective glances
at the way my senses truly work. i've
always felt i was seeing/experiencing
"the drug" with all my other trips. i
know that the 2C-E facilitated the conditions,
but i'm confident that at some points
i was witnessing very intricate workings
of the mechanics of my sensory perceptions-
i.e. the still frame shots of the splashing
water/sand.

i didn't even mention the auditory hallucinations
in my trip report because of how utterly alien
they were to the language i know to describe
hearing there were no frank auditory
hallucinations (which i've had on mescaline,
a PEA cousin of 2C-E) but there was *extreme*
amplification of far-off sounds- i could distinctly
hear twigs crack under car tires from a quarter
mile away (being a metal head, this level of
hearing was extraordinary haha). there was also
intense "swelling" and "tunneling" of sounds.
don't interpret that as "flanging" and "echoing",
because i'm familiar with both and this was
different.

because of overwhelming synesthesia, i can now
better relate my senses to each other, for sure.
all of my senses became intermingled at every
combination of 2 (and sometimes 3 [but this
would be better defined as delusion rather than
psychedelia]) at some point; each new combination
manifesting itself within my psyche
as authentically as a brand new sense in and of itself.
what i mean to say is (for instance)- my sense of
hearing would become completely intertwined with
my sense of touch (dynamically and audibly hearing
the buzzing of vibration in sound waves), which
was as natural as a hidden sense i had had all along-
somewhere deep within my brain, waiting for the
right synaptic pathways to open up for me to understand.

of course that is all gone now... at least the sensational
aspect of all that synesthesia speak. but i distinctly
remember having felt those brand new ways of sensing.

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starfire_xes said:
i really liked 2C-E also, but i did feel some crappy body load, especially on the comedown.  and this 2C-P is way more like mescaline than 2C-E is....  got the beautiful euphoric trip of mescaline without 2C-E's weird body stuff.

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this is what's perplexing me the most!
all i hear is that there was "lack of euphoria" and
more often a general feeling of tense uneasiness in
the body from every single report...

but for me- this was seriously akin to the body high/
euphoria of an absolutely perfected (in action and in
dosage) version of MDMA! O_o did i do something
wrong?!

admittedly, the hour and 15 leading up to the
peaking was fucking tense and very
uncomfortable- but all the while i felt that
nothing could be any more perfect in the world
and in myself than on 2C-E on that hillside on
that day...

i really don't know... my friend who's actively doing it enjoys the body high
of that high dose as well, but says lower doses (3-4mg sniffed) make
him incurably cold and he never gets over that initial uneasiness
we experienced on the come up of that large dose... hmmm- i'm wondering..

this is probably really stupid, but i'm just following this adderall-
laden train of thought where it's going-
could it be that 2C-E below a certain dosage might induce that nonplus in
the body???

i mean... from where i'm sitting right now it
seems to make sense, based on both of our experiences with this particular
batch of strange, powerful white powder called 2C-E...

although, i've read snippets of people doing around .06g (haven't
read the reports, just saw notes on em somewhere on the netzz) that
seemed to not be able to experience much more than severe discomfort
and accompanying psychic terror of what was happening to them physically...
sooo... i really just don't fucking know about this one guiz...

my friend's gone through about 300mg in the past 2 weeks and i'll
be intensely interrogating him about dosage and effects and tolerance
in the weeks to come. i still plan on thoroughly researching it
myself this fall (at a much slower pace than my buddy) to really
get a good grasp of the chemical.

i am really in love with it... but i'm hoping i didn't just have
a uniquely enjoyable experience...

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starfire_xes said:
right, i was just using the chemistry definition of organic.supposedly these acacia trees in new mexico contain traces of about every identifiable substance know to man to be psychoactive.  DMT, amphetamines, subbed PEAs, and enough fucking nicotine to kill you if you arent careful.

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starfire_xes said:
right, i was just using the chemistry definition of organic.supposedly these acacia trees in new mexico contain traces of about every identifiable substance know to man to be psychoactive.  DMT, amphetamines, subbed PEAs, and enough fucking nicotine to kill you if you arent careful.

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yeah- that nicotine stat is crazy to me. do you know if
that means oral dosage or smoked or?? because if it's oral,
that might actually not be that big of a deal considering
that like a pack of cigs worth of oral nicotine is fatal
but i can't remember if they stated admin notes in what i was
reading about it. we probably read the same thing, though.

also, they've found straight fucking methamphetamine in at least one species of acacia i know...

so i've decided- whenever i feel inclined to try an investigation of
meth, i'm gonna find a way to extract it from that acacia so
i can feel proud of myself for only doing all natural meff
as mother nature intended!!

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starfire_xes said:
right, i was just using the chemistry definition of organic.supposedly these acacia trees in new mexico contain traces of about every identifiable substance know to man to be psychoactive.  DMT, amphetamines, subbed PEAs, and enough fucking nicotine to kill you if you arent careful.

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yeah- that nicotine stat is crazy to me. do you know if
that means oral dosage or smoked or?? because if it's oral,
that might actually not be that big of a deal considering
that like a pack of cigs worth of oral nicotine is fatal
but i can't remember if they stated admin notes in what i was
reading about it. we probably read the same thing, though.

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mongo lloyd said:
Smoking pure nicotine would be funny.

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from what i understand about native american use
a shit load of smoked nicotine can induce delirium.
so i imagine with pure nicotine you would really
smoke yourself sick quickly. surely rustica would
still be the better nicotine source, though. i
can't imagine those acacias having more nicotine
than that non-commercial tobacco.

or am i totally wrong??

this is getting so off topic haha
but the subject is interesting so


wow it's been such an awesome day
since i posted this early this morning.
i feel that i may be a little too
fucked up actually.

not to say i don't feel incredible-
i just may have to compromise on some
plans i had for music making tonight.

so, i guess my biggest worry is one
you'd want to have haha.

i'm sped up on adderall to an uncomfortable
level- couldn't sleep so i took iton zero
tolerance to stay
up for this huge day  and
i've been blabber-jawed and over the top
genial to perfect strangers all day...

off the wall, i know, but it's what reminded me of a conversation
my friend and i had on that trip. we discussed how active
that amphetamine group in 2C-E must be, because that 10-11mg
insufflated had speediness comparable to twice as much
dextroamp salts. but it was a much much more comfortable
type of speediness.

can anyone else confirm similar contrasts?

i feel i'm being beyond over-analytical but it happens when
i have powerful novel experiences like this one..