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 Fraggin
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 Re: Explain to me again. [Re: Icelander]
#12619607 - 05/24/10 10:37 AM (2 years, 6 days ago) |
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I would presume it would be near impossible to train an animal that has unconditional love.
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 Icelander
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Re: Explain to me again. [Re: Fraggin]
#12619688 - 05/24/10 10:53 AM (2 years, 6 days ago) |
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True. No animal goes willingly to an abusive leader. They may obey out of fear but love and respect is earned through actions.
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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halo
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Re: Explain to me again. [Re: Icelander]
#12629949 - 05/26/10 12:27 AM (2 years, 4 days ago) |
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Icelander I think you actually believe most of what other people here try and convince you of but you just have a different way of thinking about it.
I completely agree that the universe is just being. It is total "isness" (depending on what the meaning of the word "is" is lol).
I guess the way I see things a lot is that the world, one's reality, is a reflection of how one perceives that reality.
If I think the universe is a wonderful place filled with love, it is.
If I think it's a desolate unforgiving place that cares for nothing, then it is.
And I think grappling with the paradox that the universe can be both loving and hating at the same time is something people struggle with.
Other words for love and hate in this context would be creating and destroying respectively.
Creation is not inherently good. And destruction is not inherently bad.
It all just depends on how you choose to look at it.
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Fraggin
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Re: Explain to me again. [Re: halo]
#12631199 - 05/26/10 09:15 AM (2 years, 4 days ago) |
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halo said:
Icelander I think.... believe ..................of thinking....... .
I guess .......................
If I think ...............................
If I think ............................
And I think ......................................
You seemed preoccupied with thinking and guessing...
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Other words for love and hate in this context would be creating and destroying respectively.
I disagree. Destruction is not the polar opposite of creation and nor is hate the opposite of love.
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Creation is not inherently good. And destruction is not inherently bad.
It all just depends on how you choose to look at it.
Creation and destruction are emotionless.
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Icelander
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Re: Explain to me again. [Re: halo]
#12631291 - 05/26/10 09:41 AM (2 years, 4 days ago) |
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halo said:
Icelander I think you actually believe most of what other people here try and convince you of but you just have a different way of thinking about it.
I completely agree that the universe is just being. It is total "isness" (depending on what the meaning of the word "is" is lol).
I guess the way I see things a lot is that the world, one's reality, is a reflection of how one perceives that reality.
If I think the universe is a wonderful place filled with love, it is.
If I think it's a desolate unforgiving place that cares for nothing, then it is.
And I think grappling with the paradox that the universe can be both loving and hating at the same time is something people struggle with.
Other words for love and hate in this context would be creating and destroying respectively.
Creation is not inherently good. And destruction is not inherently bad.
It all just depends on how you choose to look at it.
Well I haven't completely decided how to look at it. Still gathering information.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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teknix
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Re: Explain to me again. [Re: Icelander]
#12631407 - 05/26/10 10:12 AM (2 years, 4 days ago) |
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I think it has more to do with acceptance than with love. Just IMO.
I feel pretty numb inside, most of the time.
Yet I am not blinded from the light.
Love leads to other undesireable emotions
Inevitably, atleast for me.
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halo
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Re: Explain to me again. [Re: Fraggin]
#12631532 - 05/26/10 10:36 AM (2 years, 4 days ago) |
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Yeah dude it's really all I can do
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