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 Icelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
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I was talking about Pandorok actually.
His post was very silly imo.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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that kid reminds me of an annoying, self-proclaimed guru. his mannerisms are very irritating.
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[quote]Oweyervishice said:
[quote]Icelander said:
What is at the bottom of it?[/quote]
Death anxiety? :flirt:[/quote]
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Icelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
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Loc: underbelly
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 wannabe's
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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blackdust
level of magnification?
Registered: 02/28/09
Posts: 1,550
Loc: in space
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 Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#11916685 - 01/28/10 08:16 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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i am the universe. Consciousness is how the universe looks at itself.
THE REST IS PURE intellectual masturbation....
mmhmm I want some food and sex now.
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you read a book before you fuck!?
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seraphnz
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“Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is just energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves.” - Bill Hicks
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Cactusdan
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#12146165 - 03/04/10 11:29 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
I was raised in a decently wealthy family. They were not religious but were very keen on psychology and figuring how and why people did what they did.
2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
From K-3rd grade I attended a private school, but was later moved to public school, a FAR better choice. I found that not only was the education better but the kids were more diverse and interesting too. I was a straight A student for the most part and graduated with a weighted grade of 5.1 and unweighted of 3.8. Education has been a basis for the things I chose to learn and what I know today, but I can't entirely thank the schools for a lot of the stuff I know.
3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
I am currently going to school for Graphic Design and love it whenever I do it. I have worked retail for close to 4 years and worked at a zoo for 3 years prior to that. If I didn't have to earn money I would definitely own and operate a cactus nursery.
4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
I became most interested in philosophy/spirituality in my senior year of high school. Although my views haven't drastically, I have seen many new ways of going about things and consider myself an open-minded individual.
5. What are your core values? How are these values expressed in your daily life? Do you feel that your values are similar or dissimilar to those of the majority?
Life in all it's entirety is spectacular. The good and the bad, it is amazing how we are always constantly growing and learning. And only with an open mind can we see this and accept it for what it is. Miraculous.
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PrymaLScReam
Talks To Dolphins
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#12159772 - 03/07/10 02:50 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
I was brought up in a middle class, suburban, God-fearing Reaganite home. That's as best as I can describe it. I was taken to church, sent to catholic school, and taught to believe unconditionally in the "word of God." I'm sure they had a few talks with me regarding that faith, but never anything that really stuck with me. As I got older, though, it seems like my parents just straight up dropped all that, to a point where religion pretty much plays absolutely no role in almost any part of my life anymore.
2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
I've always been able to just scrape by with minimal effort. Don't get me wrong, the few classes along the road that truly engaged me had a grip on me as tight as any drug or woman, but most of what I know I've taught myself. I keep my grades up just 'cause I understand that sometimes you gotta play by their rules to achieve your own desires, but the experience has just been an ongoing drag.
School's always been too systematic for me, and truth be told, most of the stuff I was "taught" I've long since erased in order to make room in my mind for anything more...practical.
3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
I want to write. I went through a phase where I was deeply interested in film, screenwriting in particular, but that just waned over time as I came to realize that the entire process was a lot more stressful than it was pleasurable for me. In other words, I got tired of spending three hours cranking out a bunch of small-talk only to grow frustrated with my characters and destroy the page in a half second.
As far as writing goes, though, no I'm not working in anything even related to that field right now. I'm not working at all, actually. I applied for a job in a headshop recently, but I just want that for the short-term monetary boost and the experience.
If I didn't have to earn money, I'd spend my life traveling the world, taking all the drugs I could get my hands on, and leaving the stories behind for the rest of y'all.
4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
It has. I've gone from a deeply religious youth to an agnostic adolescence. Religion just isn't something I can get around. I'm not much of a faith person. I need solid truths.
Now, a perfectly mixed cocktail of psychedelics and newfound maturity have opened me up to new interpretations of what God could be, if not some ever-loving eye in the sky with an ocean of unresolved ego issues, but at my core I still remain the same unwavering skeptic I've come to know and love.
I do, however, have enough interest in all this to be packing my semester courseloads with classes like "Myths, Rituals, and Mysticism."
5. What are your core values? How are these values expressed in your daily life? Do you feel that your values are similar or dissimilar to those of the majority?
Freedom, individuality, creativity, love, and respect. Those are my core values.
-- Freedom because I feel no one is truly human until they give their petty fears a swift kick in the ass and live to seek out all the experiences they truly desire with absolutely no regard for repercussions.
-- Individuality because in the end, when I die, it's only me that goes. There's no person, entity or institution powerful enough to overcome the one and only certainty in life: that it's mine and mine only.
-- Creativity because what's the point of living if you can't achieve a little immortality in the process?
-- Love- be it love for a friend, a family member, a girl, myself, a book, a song, a drug, the universe or whatever else is out there- because that's what keeps me grounded. Love, and the never ending search for more of it, is what drives me to be the best person I can be. I'm a big believer in "you reap what you sow." This one's come along pretty recently, though, as I've ditched a good bit of my bitter cynicism in exchange for a brighter sun.
-- Respect because if psychedelics have taught me anything, it's this. Everyone needs to have, first off, respect in themselves to live, laugh, and love in freedom. But as overwhelmingly awesome as it is to keep the outlaw fire burning eternally, every situation still has to be walked into with a measure of respect for its power, too. Recoil can kill. Kick a snake and see what happens. Pop seven grams of mushrooms in your living room two hours before your parents are getting home and see what happens. Get it? Again, reap what you sow.
Just based on a lot of the people in my life, no, I don't think these values are in line with the majority. Most people still seem to be too scared of a lot of nothing (hell, prison, death) to want to live in happiness.
Edited by PrymaLScReam (03/07/10 02:52 PM)
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Grav
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1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
I grew up with 2 sisters and 1 older brother, whom I looked up to alot and always wanted to play with. We had a nice little house in the country, and plenty of food, but not really any extra money. I was raised a catholic christian, though I don't think I ever believed in it, and thought of church only as a place to goof off with friends. My dad said christian prayers with me at night, and I remember my mom talking to me about Zen a few times, but other than that they did not discuss much spirituality with me.
2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
I was a smart kid. I got straight A's effortlessly until the 6th grade when I decided it was cool to not care about school and rebel with my friends instead. From then on I barely squeaked by, and ended up dropping out of highschool in my junior year. I got my G.E.D. and then went to college mainly because I wanted to live off of student loans and not get a crappy job. I got a bachelors, and then decided to get a master's as well studying 3d graphics, and now I am working in that field.
3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
I am highly stimulated by creating 3d environments or worlds, geometry, form, texture, lighting. I'm doing that in my work now and I think I must enjoy it because it does not feel like work, more like a series of puzzles that I love to figure out.
4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
Yes. I think so. I don't think I thought about much until highschool, when I became depressed, and loneliness, fear, and longing enveloped my life. You could say I began to feel like I was in hell and wish for things that would bring me to heaven maybe. Mostly I was sad. I did LSD when I was 17 and it felt as if a million layers of my life were peeling off revealing fresh and brilliant colors. I started thinking about "spirituality" alot in a pretty cliche hippy sense of the word. I clung to it for a few years until I saw all of those beliefs as ugly, heavy, and misshapen and discarded them. I don't know who I am now or what I believe. I like walking in forests and eating good food.
I kind of want to trip again.. its been a few years.
thanks that felt good to write
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straycatphizzle
The Forest Spirit
Registered: 11/07/09
Posts: 37
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Grav]
#12321898 - 04/03/10 02:51 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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1. My parents gave me a lot of freedom to become my own person. The only influence my parents had willingly on me was advocating compassion. We were middle class, had enough money to get by and a bit more at that.My family was not religious whatsoever and I think I discussed philosophy and spirituality more with them then they with me, I had my own interests and they sometimes elaborated on my ideas.
2. Well I educated myself for the most part, studying subjects I was interested in outside school. But school was more a chore that was necessary to go to college where I could study what I wanted to in a communal environment. School was never hard for me, at times I could be a bit disinterested but I could do the work with little effort and get good grades. My schooling up until college has come in handy in discussions that include historical events, but thats about it. My extra-curricular education has created the foundation for my personality and reality.
3. Butterfly catcher. Catch exotic butterflies for researchers & etc. Travel to many exotic places,and taking the road less traveled when I get there.
4. My beliefs have varied greatly in my years, and have gone from paganism to bhakti hinduism in a matter of months. I can sometimes get carried away in new and interesting material, but quickly remind myself to take it with a pinch of salt. At a certain time in my life I realized that although life may seem unreal and dreamlike, I have practically infinite freedom in this reality and now utlilize it. i first became interested in philosophy and spirituality at 13 years old
5. Compassion,curiosity, and learning. I do my best to try to help people, and am always trying to absorb any possible information from a situation. I'm always thinking about some issue I'm dealing with whether I'm fully aware of it or not. I feel that my ideals are a bit out of the ordinary in comparison to most people I know, but I do know there are many out there with beliefs similar to mine.
Edited by straycatphizzle (04/03/10 02:54 AM)
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maddogblues
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#12416832 - 04/18/10 06:35 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Veritas said:
There's been some controversy here regarding the use of personalisms during debates/discussions. I agree that they tend to disrupt/degenerate the discussion into a mudslinging match, yet I also agree with the point that our philosophy is based in WHO we are.
The Political forum has a stickied thread which asks posters to describe their background & perspective, and it garners many interesting responses. In the interest of both the need for civilized discussion AND an appreciation for the roots of ones philosophical/spiritual perspective, I'd like to create a similar thread.
You are free to frame your response in any format which makes sense to you, but if you are stumped, here are some questions to answer:
1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
5. What are your core values? How are these values expressed in your daily life? Do you feel that your values are similar or dissimilar to those of the majority?
I'll post my own "profile" in a bit. 
This is a very good question.
Question 1: I had lower middle class religious parents who did not encourage thought beyond the practical vicissitudes of the present and future from lessons of the past. In their case it was the great depression who taught them the most important lessons of their life.
Question 2: I hated school except for literature and history. I have some voluntary school in college devoted purely to journalism. I write and photograph for pleasure. School has benefited me some but only to the extent that it encouraged me to look deeper into things I already had an interest in.
Question 3: Retired. I enjoy feeding wild ducks.
Question 4: I was raised in a Christian fundamentalist family. I had no interest whatsoever in the religion but it dominated my life and warped by personality none the less. For some reason at the age of 58 after being diagnosed with incurable hepatitis I realized everything I had agreed to believe was basically unbelievable with regard to God.
I never gave up belief that there is more than I can comprehend. For me that is God. So I guess I believe in God. Not my mothers God however.
Subsequently I abandoned the Christian view of death as punishment. I've found that thoughtful contemplation of death connected with life is most productive of insights into the previously unknowable. Death is a great teacher in that regard.
Question 5: My core values. As stupid as this sounds I would like to be able to communicate how I have come to view life and death because it is the only thing I have ever conceived of that gives me no fear of death. Having understood what I came to understand anxiety and fear have pretty much vanished.
I embrace Taoist, Buddhist and Hindu descriptions of the human being as opposed to the Christian Christian Jewish Muslim description I was given of a big angry man in the sky.
Two teachers Alan Watts and Deepak Chopra have opened the universe wider for me.
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Criss2fur
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1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
I grew up pretty much on a farm, from horses to chickens as well as going to the levee and throwing bales of hay, but never really had any money growing up. I was raised in a very strict religious but I myself am more interested in learning about all the religions. The religion I would have to consider myself in would follow neopagan/druidism. My parents were closed minded and not really open when it came to talk about religion
2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life? Educational was merely ok in highschool, sicne I had previously had my parents sign the paper for me to go in the marine corps. Graduated with the top 10 of my class as well going to college to get masters in electrical engineering.
3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money? The career i first had agreed to would have been my MOS that was in the marine corps (Which i would have to serve more than likely four years before being able to switch to 0321 marine recon.) My time in the marine corp was cut short when my leg disease I have started to progress further up my legs destroying muscle from my calves and up one point not even being able to walk. I am currently disabled while also being a student, not that far away from grad school atleast
4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality? No my philosophies have pretty much stayed the same. I was raised christian views and beliefs but it was torn between pentecostal and baptist, but the basic principals that are taught seemed a little universal at least the important ones.
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Instead of giving money to fund colleges to promote learning, why don't they pass a constitutional amendment prohibiting anybody from learning anything? If it works as good as the Prohibition one did, why, in five years we would have the smartest race of people on earth. - Will Rogers
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Dr.Thompson
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Re: Who Are You? *DELETED* [Re: Criss2fur]
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hydrolaw
Trippitus Alotus
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1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
I had a decent upbringing Id say. We werent rich by any means but I never went hungry or cold either. My family was always trying to find a church. It seemed like we were always going to on or another. My parents discussed christianity with me. It was assumed that I believed in it without question I believe.
2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
I like school somewhat, I wasnt a huge sports player so i went toward academics, but my mom pushed me so the harder she pushed the more I rebelled. Ended up in the military, and college, after that world crashed down on top of me. I went to college for psychology and Im currently doing NOTHING with it but thinking. Its ok with me though. I have a lot of amazing conversations with people that I believe my education helped with. Just that is worth the degree to me.
3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
Psychology somewhere. Im not working in it right now. Im retired at a young age atm. Last question, do the best to raise my daughter to be whatever it is she decides she wants to be. And by that I mean anything, not whatever she wants to be as long as its a doctor lawyer etc. I just want her to be happy.
4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
Its changed quite a bit Id say. The biggest one was when I went to the military. I came out kind of a pascifist, but that has its limits. Im more of a peaceful person now I guess you could say. I am an absolute atheist. I came out of a coma and my second sentence after finding out where I was and why i was there was that I knew god didnt exist. I guess I really became interested in philosophy and or spirituality after my stint in the military.
5. What are your core values? How are these values expressed in your daily life? Do you feel that your values are similar or dissimilar to those of the majority?
Core values.
Just try to be what I believe to be a good person, for no other reason than just being one. I just try to be as good to others as possible ATM. I would however, kill the entire planet to get to my wife and daughter. If thats a malfunctioning pascifist then I guess im malfunctioning. I think im a little different than other people, I really dont give a shit what they do as long as it doesnt involve me. Do your thing and ill do mine. I think most people say that and walk around with a muzzle intended for others at the same time. -Hydrolaw
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Stypur
Please don't hurt me
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I'm a Homosapian.
One of the many billions.
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synapsis
live in the dream
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Stypur]
#12547259 - 05/12/10 05:54 AM (2 years, 18 days ago) |
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wow indeed a great thread, I dont think I have ever done or thought about it much...
1)I was brought up in a pretty average family, we never had much money but were not poor on the streets, we always had food on the table etc, my mum was a massive christian and brought us kids all up that way, my dad was like the"so so" believer, but didnt really care much for it, I never really questioned that there was no god etc...I was quite naive when growing up, but when my parents divorced when I was 14 everything changed, the "happy family" was over and I became an avid drug abuser and used to discuss openly what drugs I was experimenting with, and this eventually led to me also being kicked out of home as a direct effect of the bad shit I was bringing over to the house all the time.
2)I was quite a clever little kid, I got pretty good grades in primary school but in high school just basically never did any homework or had any interest in anything I was doing,I was a fat porker who got all the usual treatment that fatties do, when I was like 5 years old, my parents friends would ask me"what do you want to be when you grow up?" and I would just say...nothing, I dont know if I didnt understand their question, but I actually never wanted to be anything...just chill at home with the family..haha, my education has not played any part in any of my life...if any employer saw my report cards they would piss themselves, the one thing I did pretty well was play guitar and have the ability to listen to a song and play it, I was a heavy metalist...my dad used to get me to learn leads of the shadows and songs he liked, but I always had an underlying love for electronic music, starting with 2 unlimited and shit..woot!!
3)I finally realised after like 26 years of my life what I wanted to do, and truly believe it is what my job was to do all along, and it just so happens to be one of the hardest industries to make it in, composing music, electronicca  I have like 8 albums worth of stuff recorded and counting, I look back on how I started working out the puzzle of what and who I was...I used to go out clubbing, taking speed and ecstacy and loved harder style techno or that deep trance that made u feel like awesome, I used to hear different melodys to the main riff being played and thought to myself why arent they playing the next harmony with that...so I started playing about with playstation music generator then fruity loops until I liked a program called orion pro by synapse audio, and then bought a midi keyboard, and taught myself how to play"piano" and now I have a roland fantom x8 and a roland v synth, and have had to learn to record a totally different way as in there is no more quantize etc...bblah blah...I could go on about this forever....it is where my heart and passion truly lives, If I didnt have to work for money, then I would assume that nobody else does and the world is finally cured and functional, if this wasnt the case and only I didnt have to work for money then I would work towards everybody else not having to work for money and for the world to have food on the table and a roof over their head...and also create music
4&5)My philosiphy and spirituality is always maturing, I do believe in god and have felt his spirit in me many times, as the person who posted above about jesus coming into his being...I know exactly how they feel, I do have a problem with religion in general though...as the corruption in the churches is abominable, they push people away and deny the truth to all who seek it, but that is in my opinion only. I believe in the fact that we need to love everyone like a brother and sister,the word love gets thrown around so much that I dont think that it holds much worth to say it....love is something that we should show and not say, I believe that if the world is going to survive the next decade, then we need to abolish the fear of the"bad" other people out there because they wear a turban or believe that we come back as goats or whatever...the government has alot to do with keeping us scared and keeping us insecure about trusting anybody who isnt"the same" as us...we need to think and express ourselves freely, in my humble opinion.
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andrewss
precariously aggrandized
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a washed up crack head
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Jesus loves you.
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teknix
ÐøøÐ
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#12572410 - 05/16/10 09:56 AM (2 years, 14 days ago) |
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I refuse to take part in your psychological profiling.
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lifeinallday
Slothin
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: teknix]
#12574928 - 05/16/10 05:42 PM (2 years, 14 days ago) |
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lifeinallday
Slothin
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: teknix]
#12574943 - 05/16/10 05:46 PM (2 years, 14 days ago) |
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teknix said:
I refuse to take part in your psychological profiling.
hmm, sounds like a reasonable idea. as for me... im out 
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"In a revolving universe those who stand still move backward"- I forget
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Lakefingers
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andrewss said:
a washed up crack head
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