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A friend recently went into anaphylactic shock from cubensis
    #12534082 - 05/09/10 07:55 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

so i knew this could happen, but i didn't think it would happen from my mushrooms...


apparently, seeing as he can eat store-bought mushrooms, anyone can have an allergic reaction to a new mushroom species they haven't tried.  so am i right to say that for someone who's only tried cubensis, they could eat some pan cyans and be allergic?


how often does this happen?


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Re: A friend recently went into anaphylactic shock from cubensis [Re: jingus]
    #12534291 - 05/09/10 08:41 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

even if you have eaten/consumed something before it's entirely possible you'll randomly have a reaction.  If he had it once previously no reaction his body could have made antibodies and had a reaction the second time.


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Re: A friend recently went into anaphylactic shock from cubensis [Re: jingus]
    #12534295 - 05/09/10 08:42 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

i dont think you can only be allergic to something once. your either allergic or not.


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Re: A friend recently went into anaphylactic shock from cubensis [Re: PsychedelicHamster]
    #12534323 - 05/09/10 08:47 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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i dont think you can only be allergic to something once. your either allergic or not.




you can start out not allergic then become allergic.  I've seen it in many of my patients even myself.  Could take something a few times, even hundreds of times then your body decides it's bad and makes antibodies.  Take it again and bam, reaction.


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Re: A friend recently went into anaphylactic shock from cubensis [Re: bbl337]
    #12534364 - 05/09/10 08:56 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

interesting. makes sense.


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Re: A friend recently went into anaphylactic shock from cubensis [Re: bbl337]
    #12534367 - 05/09/10 08:56 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

yep you are right. i found out i was allergic to kava kava after taking it like 5 times. then the last time i took it i got a full body rash it was amazing.


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Re: A friend recently went into anaphylactic shock from cubensis [Re: Snotfish]
    #12534398 - 05/09/10 09:02 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

i'm not talking about that though.


this guy had had DIFFERENT mushrooms before, like store-bought ones.  he tried cubensis for the first time and his liver failed, his eyes went jaundice, and he had stuff pumped in him at the ER.


what i'm saying, is say i have a bunch of friends that have eaten cubes before, what are the chances they will be allergic to panaeolus cyanescens (different species of hallucinogenic mushroom)

or how many people are allergic to cubensis their first time?

how big of a chance is there that you would be allergic to cubensis and not panaeolus (copelandia) genus, or visa versa.


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Re: A friend recently went into anaphylactic shock from cubensis [Re: jingus]
    #12534433 - 05/09/10 09:08 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

I'd suggest your friend doesn't try it again.
If he can eat the store bought ones, but has an allergic response to cubensis, i'd say he probably has a higher risk of having an allergic response to other halluciongenic mushrooms too, but i'm no doctor.

It's not unheard of for people to become allergic to things they've eaten their whole lives.


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Re: A friend recently went into anaphylactic shock from cubensis [Re: Kanker]
    #12534453 - 05/09/10 09:12 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

all i really want to know, is


How often does this happen for first-time trippers?



would it be wise to carry an epi-pen adrenaline shot just in case, with first time trippers?


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Re: A friend recently went into anaphylactic shock from cubensis [Re: jingus]
    #12534468 - 05/09/10 09:14 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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i'm not talking about that though.


this guy had had DIFFERENT mushrooms before, like store-bought ones.  he tried cubensis for the first time and his liver failed, his eyes went jaundice, and he had stuff pumped in him at the ER.


what i'm saying, is say i have a bunch of friends that have eaten cubes before, what are the chances they will be allergic to panaeolus cyanescens (different species of hallucinogenic mushroom)

or how many people are allergic to cubensis their first time?

how big of a chance is there that you would be allergic to cubensis and not panaeolus (copelandia) genus, or visa versa.




Theres really no way for us to tell you if your friends are going to be allergic to something or not. If they were allergic to cubes, there chances might be higher at being allergic to the panaelous cyanescens, but the only way your going to know is asking a doctor, or going for it and seeing what happens.

to answer your previous question, i have never heard of this happening before.


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Re: A friend recently went into anaphylactic shock from cubensis [Re: PsychedelicHamster]
    #12534597 - 05/09/10 09:42 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

jaundice/liver failure is not consistent, what-so-ever with anaphylactic shock.  In fact, nothing shock related to your liver shutting down.

To quote wikipedia (hey,gotta show refs.)

"Anaphylactic shock is anaphylaxis associated with systemic vasodilation which results in low blood pressure. It is also associated with severe bronchoconstriction to the point where the individual is unable to breathe."

Histamine will not cause liver failure as far as I know, and I've read quite a bit about it.


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Re: A friend recently went into anaphylactic shock from cubensis [Re: PsychedelicHamster]
    #12534689 - 05/09/10 09:59 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

seeing as we don't even know what triggered the reaction, it may not even be cubes at all.
I'd suggest you find out what caused the reaction, then it would be a lot easier to tell you the chances of someone randomly experiencing similar problems.


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Re: A friend recently went into anaphylactic shock from cubensis [Re: Kanker]
    #12534771 - 05/09/10 10:14 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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bbl337 said:
jaundice/liver failure is not consistent, what-so-ever with anaphylactic shock.  In fact, nothing shock related to your liver shutting down.

To quote wikipedia (hey,gotta show refs.)

"Anaphylactic shock is anaphylaxis associated with systemic vasodilation which results in low blood pressure. It is also associated with severe bronchoconstriction to the point where the individual is unable to breathe."

Histamine will not cause liver failure as far as I know, and I've read quite a bit about it.





His body ingested a poison that he was allergic to.  That triggered the shock.  seems pretty reasonable to me

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seeing as we don't even know what triggered the reaction, it may not even be cubes at all.
I'd suggest you find out what caused the reaction, then it would be a lot easier to tell you the chances of someone randomly experiencing similar problems.





it was a guy that never ate any psychedelic mushroom, ate some cubensis, and had an allergic reaction.  pretty sure we isolated the problem 

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Re: A friend recently went into anaphylactic shock from cubensis [Re: jingus]
    #12534855 - 05/09/10 10:30 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

hello its a different species. thats like saying that well someone not allergic to carrots Family: Apiaceae shouldnt have an allergy to Family: ivy Araliaceae cause their both plants in the same order

one is Family: Strophariaceae cubes the other Family: Agaricaceae common store edible button and meadow mushroom


any who pans cyan are Family: Bolbitiaceae also obviously a different genus says species is rather ignorant to taxonomy when thats what your mainly talking abot


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Re: A friend recently went into anaphylactic shock from cubensis [Re: thedudenj]
    #12535022 - 05/09/10 11:12 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

but i'm talking about different species specifically.  Pan. cyan, pan. cambo., pan. bisporus. ps. cubensis, ps. azure....  anything.


i'm just curious how many people have been reportedly allergic to mushrooms, and if so... any types specifically?    these panaeolus bisporus i have here haven't been tried by too many humans...  who knows?


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Re: A friend recently went into anaphylactic shock from cubensis [Re: jingus]
    #12535153 - 05/09/10 11:44 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

he could also just be allergic to psilocybin some ppl get seizures from it tho jaundice is a really weird symptom. azures can give ppl horrible muscle cramps but yeah the point im making is edible mushrooms vs is a huge difference it being a difference species like P azure and P cube is a drastically smaller difference. P cyan pan cambo and pan biporus are all the same genus and family so the difference is huge between them and P cyan or p. cube its the point im making  if his allergy is to the psilocbin then clearly he will have another bad reaction, but any who your better off giving him a pan then another Psilocybe cause its a different family


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Re: A friend recently went into anaphylactic shock from cubensis [Re: thedudenj]
    #12537252 - 05/10/10 01:15 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

LIVER FAILURE is not from allergies.  And, who said it was a poison?  Unless you somehow managed to get a weird indole into your substrate that the mycellum played around with via mushroom metabolism to make a super duper liver killer, it wasn't a poison (assuming you didn't really fuck up)


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Re: A friend recently went into anaphylactic shock from cubensis [Re: bbl337]
    #12537350 - 05/10/10 01:30 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

cubensis are poisonous, or toxic mushrooms.

and whatever, i'm not going to argue details... you get the point


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Re: A friend recently went into anaphylactic shock from cubensis [Re: jingus]
    #12537403 - 05/10/10 01:38 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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cubensis are poisonous, or toxic mushrooms.



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Re: A friend recently went into anaphylactic shock from cubensis [Re: jingus]
    #12537459 - 05/10/10 01:46 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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cubensis are poisonous, or toxic mushrooms.





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