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Re: My friend got a Life Sentence for LSD Conspiracy - and he wasn't even caught with any LSD [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#12533430 - 05/09/10 08:53 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah but I thought I heard something about an eyewitness not being enough evidence alone for a conviction. People are too easily swayed in what they recall from memory.
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Re: My friend got a Life Sentence for LSD Conspiracy - and he wasn't even caught with any LSD [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#12533445 - 05/09/10 08:54 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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psilyguy said: No paper trail, no drugs or money in his possession=no fucking evidence. a life sentence based on hearsay alone?
Its not hearsay, its eyewitness testimony.
Oddly enough, if the UC's had anything to benefit Rudd, That WOULD be considered hearsay.
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Re: My friend got a Life Sentence for LSD Conspiracy - and he wasn't even caught with any LSD [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#12533460 - 05/09/10 08:56 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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An entire life in prison, i hope the jury can finally sleep at night. Heaven forbid someone becomes enlightened from trying something the government doesn't have use for or control over.
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Re: My friend got a Life Sentence for LSD Conspiracy - and he wasn't even caught with any LSD [Re: Platinum]
#12533478 - 05/09/10 08:58 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Platinum said: Yeah but I thought I heard something about an eyewitness not being enough evidence alone for a conviction.
I think it is enough. Especially in a case like this where 11 people testified against him.
Perhaps he should have narced out the people who narced on him.
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Re: My friend got a Life Sentence for LSD Conspiracy - and he wasn't even caught with any LSD [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#12533594 - 05/09/10 09:18 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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and do you think life in prison is a fair sentence based on testimonies alone?????
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Re: My friend got a Life Sentence for LSD Conspiracy - and he wasn't even caught with any LSD [Re: yogabunny]
#12533775 - 05/09/10 09:54 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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he wasn't caught with LSD or anything, just people saying he sold LSD..
anybody can say somebody sold LSD although eleven people is a lot more than one,
but then again; even if he was caught with LSD and he was guilty and everything was handled to the T without any bullshit by the lawyers and shit
life is still too harsh a sentence..
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Re: My friend got a Life Sentence for LSD Conspiracy - and he wasn't even caught with any LSD [Re: fallenlsd]
#12534257 - 05/09/10 11:37 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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What's up with the donation part on friends4lifers page? Does that go directly to him?
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Re: My friend got a Life Sentence for LSD Conspiracy - and he wasn't even caught with any LSD [Re: yogabunny]
#12536826 - 05/10/10 02:57 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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yogabunny said: and do you think life in prison is a fair sentence based on testimonies alone?????
I think most of use here agree that life is an outrageous sentence for this crime. In regards to his guilt though, I believe AR was trying only to imply that in all likelihood he was guilty.
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Re: My friend got a Life Sentence for LSD Conspiracy - and he wasn't even caught with any LSD [Re: fallenlsd]
#12537515 - 05/10/10 04:59 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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yogabunny said: and do you think life in prison is a fair sentence based on testimonies alone?????
I don't think drug users should be fined or imprisoned.
Unfortunately, the nature of the evidence does not affect the sentence. The sentencing phase is separate.
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fallenlsd said: he wasn't caught with LSD or anything, just people saying he sold LSD..
anybody can say somebody sold LSD although eleven people is a lot more than one,
Many people have received long prison sentences based on the testimony of just one confidential informant, even when no drugs were found. This causes many innocent people go to prison, and also some guilty ones.
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Re: My friend got a Life Sentence for LSD Conspiracy - and he wasn't even caught with any LSD [Re: dwpineal]
#12541520 - 05/11/10 06:29 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've posted Rudd's case/info on some other sites that would take an interest. The more people know about this, the better.
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Re: My friend got a Life Sentence for LSD Conspiracy - and he wasn't even caught with any LSD [Re: ChairmanMeow]
#12541535 - 05/11/10 06:37 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Might be best to just let this issue go to rest, i imagine all the attention is doing this guy more harm than good. He thinks he is going to get out, but he's not. Then with a bunch of people jumping in and fanning his delusion, prolly isn't the best thing to be doing. Its putting his expectations and emotions all the way at the high end of the scale, so the harder he is going to fall.
Altho the gifts and stuff will still be great of course
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Re: My friend got a Life Sentence for LSD Conspiracy - and he wasn't even caught with any LSD [Re: makaveli8x8]
#12541547 - 05/11/10 06:47 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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makaveli8x8 said: Might be best to just let this issue go to rest, i imagine all the attention is doing this guy more harm than good. He thinks he is going to get out, but he's not. Then with a bunch of people jumping in and fanning his delusion, prolly isn't the best thing to be doing. Its putting his expectations and emotions all the way at the high end of the scale, so the harder he is going to fall.
Altho the gifts and stuff will still be great of course
I donno, if I were in prison for life, I'd prefer people knowing about my case instead of just rotting in there unable to get the word out to even family and friends. There have been other unjust sentences reversed because people on the outside gave a shit. And even if not, I'd rather have the chance of getting out than none. Put yourself in his shoes. I think the help counts.
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Re: My friend got a Life Sentence for LSD Conspiracy - and he wasn't even caught with any LSD [Re: ChairmanMeow]
#12541650 - 05/11/10 08:09 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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i wasn't talking about the guy in jail reaching out to his family and friends, I'm talking about people encouraging and feeding his delusions.
the point is that there's pretty much zero chance of him getting out from the sound of it, as has been mentioned 1 witness is enough, he had 11...a few of which were cops.
So my point is that feeding his delusions any further will only hurt him in the end. If you put yourself in his shoes, and you get yourself so hyped up over this, knowing your going to be free etc etc, and then reality hits he may flip out and try to hurt himself or something along those lines.
Or another thing that could happen, is that the spotlight gets put on him like everyone wants apparently, and then poof...something falls out of the woodwork that makes him look horrible, which in the end does alot of harm again.
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Re: My friend got a Life Sentence for LSD Conspiracy - and he wasn't even caught with any LSD [Re: makaveli8x8]
#12541765 - 05/11/10 09:13 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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makaveli8x8 said: i wasn't talking about the guy in jail reaching out to his family and friends, I'm talking about people encouraging and feeding his delusions.
the point is that there's pretty much zero chance of him getting out from the sound of it, as has been mentioned 1 witness is enough, he had 11...a few of which were cops.
So my point is that feeding his delusions any further will only hurt him in the end. If you put yourself in his shoes, and you get yourself so hyped up over this, knowing your going to be free etc etc, and then reality hits he may flip out and try to hurt himself or something along those lines.
Or another thing that could happen, is that the spotlight gets put on him like everyone wants apparently, and then poof...something falls out of the woodwork that makes him look horrible, which in the end does alot of harm again.
Dude, the guy is in jail for life. There isn't much worse than that. I'd be more prone to 'flip out' or commit suicide if I had zero hope that anything would ever change.
In any case, the 'do nothing' solution is not only hurting Walker, it's hurting America. We all know from 20th century history that when The People shut the fuck up about injustice, you get shit like Nazism. This case is relevant for every American. A court shouldn't be able to just throw a guy in jail for life on slim (if any) evidence of a crime that may or may not have been committed and which is far less harmful to society than murder or rape or even the LEGAL crimes against humanity that corporations get away with daily. The only way we're going to change any of that shit is to speak the hell up.
Unless you LIKE living in a thinly veiled police state run by the rich for the rich.
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Re: My friend got a Life Sentence for LSD Conspiracy - and he wasn't even caught with any LSD [Re: ChairmanMeow]
#12541844 - 05/11/10 09:48 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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ChairmanMeow said: I've posted Rudd's case/info on some other sites that would take an interest. The more people know about this, the better.
That's really awesome thanks so much! He knows he is in a terrible situation. Any love or light (letters) anyone sends his way is more valuable than I can say...He could really use a smile here or there...
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Re: My friend got a Life Sentence for LSD Conspiracy - and he wasn't even caught with any LSD [Re: ChairmanMeow]
#12542193 - 05/11/10 12:01 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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makaveli8x8 said: i wasn't talking about the guy in jail reaching out to his family and friends, I'm talking about people encouraging and feeding his delusions.
the point is that there's pretty much zero chance of him getting out from the sound of it, as has been mentioned 1 witness is enough, he had 11...a few of which were cops.
So my point is that feeding his delusions any further will only hurt him in the end. If you put yourself in his shoes, and you get yourself so hyped up over this, knowing your going to be free etc etc, and then reality hits he may flip out and try to hurt himself or something along those lines.
Or another thing that could happen, is that the spotlight gets put on him like everyone wants apparently, and then poof...something falls out of the woodwork that makes him look horrible, which in the end does alot of harm again.
Dude, the guy is in jail for life. There isn't much worse than that. I'd be more prone to 'flip out' or commit suicide if I had zero hope that anything would ever change.
In any case, the 'do nothing' solution is not only hurting Walker, it's hurting America. We all know from 20th century history that when The People shut the fuck up about injustice, you get shit like Nazism. This case is relevant for every American. A court shouldn't be able to just throw a guy in jail for life on slim (if any) evidence of a crime that may or may not have been committed and which is far less harmful to society than murder or rape or even the LEGAL crimes against humanity that corporations get away with daily. The only way we're going to change any of that shit is to speak the hell up.
Unless you LIKE living in a thinly veiled police state run by the rich for the rich.
thank you. i truly couldn't have said it myself.

i don't have any delusions that by getting rudd's story our there that i am going to get him out of his life sentence. that would be the icing on the cake so to speak, but i feel it's crucially important for my fellow Americans to know that this shit went down.
i kinda think it's this exact apathetic attitude that has led our society to where we are at this very moment. in a country where it's considered "due process" that a man can be imprisoned for LIFE, on testimony alone. a country where the "war on drugs" is an all out goddmaned free for all where the ones in power are allowed to do whatever they please, so as to make an example of someone, to put the fear of god in us.
like "oh well", there's nothing i can do to change the situation so i guess i'll just continue sitting on my ass watching american idol, eating these doritos and drinking ma coca cola.
fuck that.
my mother is a prime example. people are soooo fucking scared of lsd, and it makes me cringe. if there's something i can do to change it, then im gonna do it. i talked to her about my plans for making the documentary, and she asked if i would make a documentary about a wrongly imprisoned murderer instead, because "I don't want people thinking you do lsd" 
i don't know rudd personally and i am certainly not going to proceed with what i have planned without his consent, but i get the impression that he's the type of fellow that would want his story heard regardless of the outcome.
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Re: My friend got a Life Sentence for LSD Conspiracy - and he wasn't even caught with any LSD [Re: dwpineal]
#12542229 - 05/11/10 12:10 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes, getting his story out will be great for the cause. As others have said, people need to know about this.
This community is great and it is awesome to see how this community will help ease Rudd's suffering a little bit.
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Re: My friend got a Life Sentence for LSD Conspiracy - and he wasn't even caught with any LSD [Re: weephar]
#12542677 - 05/11/10 02:07 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Just for the record, im also all for getting his story out as i don't think all that many people realize how easy a person can get locked up in federal court, changes do need to be made there. Im just saying people shouldn't be hyping Rudd up for a new trial thinking he is going to win, he lost his trial due to the rules that were already in place...he's fucked. He needs no hope in that area is what im saying.
As for his story thats great and will benifit him. As for the gifts thats great.
But he's 99% not getting out, and you guys shouldn't be hyping him. As for changing laws, a story will help, but again there's a 99% change shit isn't going to change, infact there's a better chance that it will get stiffer since everyday we see our rights being stripped. But just a story, i agree will help some.
I know you guys hate what happen, but don't let your emotions get you misreading or taking more from what I actually wrote.
Rudd needs realistic hope, like writting books, the story you guys want to do, "maybe" making small changes to laws, and i guess breaking out of prison or something 
Winning a retrial against 11 witnesses and cops...should be at the far far end of the barrel. Im not saying he shouldn't try to do that...he already is from what i read, staying positive i guess is good, but he doesn't need a marc emery ego boost following on unrealistic goals, and neither did marc emery.
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Re: My friend got a Life Sentence for LSD Conspiracy - and he wasn't even caught with any LSD [Re: makaveli8x8]
#12542729 - 05/11/10 02:19 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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makaveli8x8 said: Might be best to just let this issue go to rest, i imagine all the attention is doing this guy more harm than good. He thinks he is going to get out, but he's not. Then with a bunch of people jumping in and fanning his delusion, prolly isn't the best thing to be doing. Its putting his expectations and emotions all the way at the high end of the scale, so the harder he is going to fall.
I couldn't disagree more.
I'll be writing him when I get home.
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Re: My friend got a Life Sentence for LSD Conspiracy - and he wasn't even caught with any LSD [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#12542742 - 05/11/10 02:22 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Which part? Do you think he's really gunna get out? Or are you saying false hope is going to be good for him?
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