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What is the best bulk substrate for cubensis?
    #12457202 - 04/26/10 01:49 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

I see straw, horse, coir, zoo, compost, a lot of stuff, all seem to work pretty, well. Some teks combine two or more, there has to be a dominate bulk that gives the best results right?


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Re: What is the best bulk substrate for cubensis? [Re: BeerFoam]
    #12457266 - 04/26/10 01:53 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

By my reckoning, you see a variety of substrates listed because there is no one best. Each have different characteristics and will work better for different people in different circumstances. I feel that trying to see one as the best would limit your understanding and ability to see the values of the rest.

The best you can do is find what's best for you. I'm going to use coir/coffee/verm in my upcoming bulk sub because the materials are cheap and easy to obtain for me, and people tend to report good results with them.


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Re: What is the best bulk substrate for cubensis? [Re: Immunity]
    #12457436 - 04/26/10 02:23 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

use what is available, and the cheapest. Like you said, they all work. Even if you do not have anything for bulk, cased grains gives very good yeilds as well.


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Re: What is the best bulk substrate for cubensis? [Re: BeerFoam]
    #12457439 - 04/26/10 02:23 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Horse dung is going to be your best bulk substrate.

That is to say from what I have read here over the years, it is by far going to be your best bulk sub.

Now you can get all crazy and start mixing this with that and maybe come up with something that is a little better. But I was thinking that you were looking for the short answer.


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Re: What is the best bulk substrate for cubensis? [Re: george castanza]
    #12457498 - 04/26/10 02:35 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: What is the best bulk substrate for cubensis? [Re: BeerFoam]
    #12457508 - 04/26/10 02:37 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Best bulk sub is

Manure
Verm
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Re: What is the best bulk substrate for cubensis? [Re: Shea25]
    #12457588 - 04/26/10 02:56 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

I don't really understand how verm helps, isn't it a non nutritive substance? Although im not doubting you because ive seen it in multiple teks.


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Re: What is the best bulk substrate for cubensis? [Re: BeerFoam]
    #12457605 - 04/26/10 03:01 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Mixing in some verm is a time honored tradition amongst seasoned growers because they know it gives the sub more moisture retention, as well as making it lighter and airier.

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Re: What is the best bulk substrate for cubensis? [Re: BeerFoam]
    #12457623 - 04/26/10 03:07 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Verm holds water. The more water your substrate can hold the better. Verm also affects the consistency or density of the sub. Mushies like horse manure so much because of the texture and its ability to hold water. Verm is pretty much the definition of that, minus nutrition. So you can take verm and add it to say bagged cow manure which by itself can easily turn to mud, but with verm you have a fluffy, foam like substrate, which is your goal.
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Re: What is the best bulk substrate for cubensis? [Re: camplo]
    #12457711 - 04/26/10 03:35 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Just my $0.02 cents.

The ultimate substrate for dung loving mushrooms a horse / cow - manure / shredded straw compost.
That is if you have the room, patience and wherewithal to make that kind of compost.

Second to that is weather aged naturally leached horse manure.
(free by the truck load is best)

Third would be coir / h-poo mix.

Fourth would be fortified coir.

A lot depends what’s available to you, that is easy to get & priced right.
It all works.


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Re: What is the best bulk substrate for cubensis? [Re: myco.alchemist]
    #12457736 - 04/26/10 03:43 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

^ i think he's right

horse poo is great, and its better than say cow poo because it has a lot of strands of hay.  Adding verm would be okay, but its fine without.  if you have access to horse poo, you probably have access to hay, so put a little bit of that in it and it will act as moisture retention and airrate the soil (not give it air, but give it space inside). 

the more hay you use the more contam-prone it will be, but i did like 15% last time (my first grow) and it worked great.




but now i'm in a city, and i use coir and verm... so it depends on what you want - this works great too.  (coir is more expensive, so fuck it)


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Re: What is the best bulk substrate for cubensis? [Re: jingus]
    #12457742 - 04/26/10 03:46 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

You would want to use straw, not hay.


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Re: What is the best bulk substrate for cubensis? [Re: george castanza]
    #12457748 - 04/26/10 03:50 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

eh i've read straw/hay before, and i think what it comes down to is people like me who work for their neighbor's small farm and buck hay every couple of summers, hay is grass that was let to dry in the field, cut, then let to dry about 3 more days, then harvested/bailed.

yes i grew my own substrate for my first grow - horses and the grass


if straw is something really different than what i refer to as 'hay', let  me know


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Re: What is the best bulk substrate for cubensis? [Re: jingus]
    #12457813 - 04/26/10 04:08 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Straw is the stalk of a cereal grain, most likely wheat.

Hay is grass, like alfalfa.


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Re: What is the best bulk substrate for cubensis? [Re: george castanza]
    #12458296 - 04/26/10 08:47 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: What is the best bulk substrate for cubensis? [Re: myco.alchemist]
    #12458315 - 04/26/10 09:00 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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Straw consists of the dried stalks of plants, especially cereal grains. Although it is an agricultural byproduct, rather than a primary crop, it has a wide range of uses. Humans have been utilizing straw for thousands of years for everything from animal bedding to art, and it is produced in countries all over the world for a multitude of purposes. Consumers can purchase straw or products made from straw in all sorts of places, from feed stores to shops dedicated to high fashion designers.





so straw is dried stalks of plants, especially cereal grains...

okay, so that's what most people refer to as hay.  grass is a grain.  if you let it grow long enough it will have a bunch of seeds on top and look just like wheat.


but you generally cut it before it seeds - otherwise its fucked; both for horse feed and for mycology


if "Straw" is what i need, what kind of grain do you suggest is so important?


i just dont see the difference, just seems like connotation and folly to me


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Re: What is the best bulk substrate for cubensis? [Re: jingus]
    #12458340 - 04/26/10 09:13 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

I've no idea about anything straw/hay in regards to growing shrooms, so I can't talk about anything like that.


But hay most definitely is not straw.

Hay is nutritious, straw is not.

That is why hay is used to feed animals, straw is used for bedding.


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    #12458344 - 04/26/10 09:15 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: What is the best bulk substrate for cubensis? [Re: Out Grow]
    #12458809 - 04/26/10 12:09 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

straw = dried out stocks of grain

hay = dried out stocks of grass


am i right?


then if straw is NON-nutritive (i wouldnt throw that word around), what stocks of grain (what type of grain) is best?    does any one even know?

you guys are aware that common hay grass is a grain.  so you can make straw out of hay somehow, but it doesnt make too much sense to me to say that grain is non-nutritive and grass (grain) is nutritive.


can anyone point me in the direction of experiments with results showing different kinds of grain being better than hay?  or is everyone just talking out of their ass here?

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Re: What is the best bulk substrate for cubensis? [Re: jingus]
    #12458912 - 04/26/10 12:28 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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