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 Re: How do you feel about the upcoming UFO/ET public disclosure? [Re: bros773]
#12207293 - 03/15/10 03:09 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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The laws of physics, although they may not always apply, are proof that we have not been visited by aliens. The only aliens that have ever been to earth are microorganisms from space. Not advanced life forms.
Common sense should be enough but I can elaborate on the physics if anyone cares
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_relativity
explain yourself, sir.
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Re: How do you feel about the upcoming UFO/ET public disclosure? [Re: Envix]
#12207381 - 03/15/10 03:23 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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roll a half ounce blunt and smoke it 
woops wrong thread, o well still a good suggestion nonetheless
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Re: How do you feel about the upcoming UFO/ET public disclosure? [Re: Envix]
#12207616 - 03/15/10 04:02 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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By proof I mean high probability since that's as good as it gets in the scientific community.
First of all time travel (not the kind that occurs when you fly a plane, I mean the kind that would allow interstellar travelling) is impossible since it takes an infinate ammount of energy to accelerate anything with mass to the speed of light. With time travel out of the debate, an alien being would have to travel for a VERY VERY VERY long time in a spacecraft in order to get to the nearest solar system. Now if this were to happen we'd need to make the assumption that they have the technology to do so. They would need to be complex organism like us then and also must be "intelligent" like humans. Follow me so far? When I did the math, the probability that there is life on another planet is VERY good: between 5-50,000 other planets support life in our galaxy alone depending on the variables used. No organism lasts long, they either die or evolve. So the aliens that visit us would be travelling to earth knowing that they will die on the way there, that their species will be gone by the time they return, etc. With this said, we must also make the assumption that the aliens would need to bring enough of their own kind on a spacecraft large enough to effectively reproduce and keep their species alive the entire journey. This is a possibility, but the chance that an entire race is going to get on a spacecraft THAT huge, just to travel to earth is extremely low. I mean these aliens would have to be reaaly smart, yet dumb enough to do this at the same time. All of this is assuming that an alien race would even care to come to earth...it just doesn't add up. Now you may think that 50,000 planets in our galaxy is a lot and that the chances are good that we will meet up someday...not the case. That estimate is strictly applied to life in general, not "intelligent" life. When we take into account the fact that intelligent life is randomly generated from millions of years of natural selection (that's right there is no predetermined path of evolution) it becomes quite clear that "intelligent" life is extremely rare.
I could keep going just to add more factors that would even further the odds against the interstellar travel of intelligent life, but why? I've already stacked the odds against that theory so much that in order to believe in it you'd be relying on faith rather than logic. And faith is strictly for the religious not the logical
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Re: How do you feel about the upcoming UFO/ET public disclosure? [Re: bros773]
#12207626 - 03/15/10 04:04 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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you didn't watch the video, did you
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Re: How do you feel about the upcoming UFO/ET public disclosure? [Re: Envix]
#12207667 - 03/15/10 04:11 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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you didn't watch the video, did you
why are you evading his attempts at discussion?
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Re: How do you feel about the upcoming UFO/ET public disclosure? [Re: bros773]
#12207677 - 03/15/10 04:12 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I can seriously continue with more evidence against alien visitors if that is not enough and please feel free to debate, I'd like to hear anyone's opinions on this matter. My iPhone doesn't support flash so I'll watch it when I get home and keep an open mind, but like I said I can continue beating the dead horse if anyone debunks my statements or disagrees
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Re: How do you feel about the upcoming UFO/ET public disclosure? [Re: b0red5tiff]
#12207688 - 03/15/10 04:15 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I haven't evaded them. I provided a video refuting all of his arguments and a source link to back it up. if you want me to provide you with text then let me grab a coffee and light up a bowl and get back to you in a hot minute 
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Re: How do you feel about the upcoming UFO/ET public disclosure? [Re: Envix]
#12207812 - 03/15/10 04:31 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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The video refutes the FACT that intelligent life is rare? And that accelerating any mass to the speed of light takes an infinate ammount of energy? Ok man if your video does that then that's crazy!!! Just tell me before I get home is it an episode of Star Trek? If so i don't think I can debate since star trek is anything but scientific. They even use the term "lightyear" instead of AUs (astronomical units are the way to go if you are an astronomer, astrophysicist, theoretical physicist, etc. Basically lightyears to AUs is like inches are to meters)
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Re: How do you feel about the upcoming UFO/ET public disclosure? [Re: bros773]
#12207841 - 03/15/10 04:36 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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The Panspermia theory is your best arguement for alien visitors. Have you heard of it?
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Re: How do you feel about the upcoming UFO/ET public disclosure? [Re: bros773]
#12207862 - 03/15/10 04:39 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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U R AN ET
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Re: How do you feel about the upcoming UFO/ET public disclosure? [Re: bros773]
#12207885 - 03/15/10 04:43 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just tell me before I get home is it an episode of Star Trek? If so i don't think I can debate since star trek is anything but scientific.
it's an excerpt from the history channel featuring Michio Kaku (expert physicist/co-founder of String theory)
and the link I provided to Einstein's general theory of relativity
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Re: How do you feel about the upcoming UFO/ET public disclosure? [Re: bros773]
#12207918 - 03/15/10 04:50 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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By proof I mean high probability since that's as good as it gets in the scientific community.
First of all time travel (not the kind that occurs when you fly a plane, I mean the kind that would allow interstellar travelling) is impossible since it takes an infinate ammount of energy to accelerate anything with mass to the speed of light. With time travel out of the debate, an alien being would have to travel for a VERY VERY VERY long time in a spacecraft in order to get to the nearest solar system. Now if this were to happen we'd need to make the assumption that they have the technology to do so. They would need to be complex organism like us then and also must be "intelligent" like humans. Follow me so far? When I did the math, the probability that there is life on another planet is VERY good: between 5-50,000 other planets support life in our galaxy alone depending on the variables used. No organism lasts long, they either die or evolve. So the aliens that visit us would be travelling to earth knowing that they will die on the way there, that their species will be gone by the time they return, etc. With this said, we must also make the assumption that the aliens would need to bring enough of their own kind on a spacecraft large enough to effectively reproduce and keep their species alive the entire journey. This is a possibility, but the chance that an entire race is going to get on a spacecraft THAT huge, just to travel to earth is extremely low. I mean these aliens would have to be reaaly smart, yet dumb enough to do this at the same time. All of this is assuming that an alien race would even care to come to earth...it just doesn't add up. Now you may think that 50,000 planets in our galaxy is a lot and that the chances are good that we will meet up someday...not the case. That estimate is strictly applied to life in general, not "intelligent" life. When we take into account the fact that intelligent life is randomly generated from millions of years of natural selection (that's right there is no predetermined path of evolution) it becomes quite clear that "intelligent" life is extremely rare.
I could keep going just to add more factors that would even further the odds against the interstellar travel of intelligent life, but why? I've already stacked the odds against that theory so much that in order to believe in it you'd be relying on faith rather than logic. And faith is strictly for the religious not the logical
Theories are subject to change as time moves forward, I would say that a person who is blinded by faith is just as bad as a skeptic who only accepts logical proof and never really questions the possibilities, I mean I agree people should accept and demand for logical proof, but there are some things that are mysterious for a reason, insufficient data, and so to simply write it off as an impossibility, just because we can't make sense of the 'impossible', well that is just..
I just wouldn't jump the gun on things being 'impossible'.
"Too much openness and you accept every notion, idea, and hypothesis -- which is tantamount to knowing nothing. Too much skepticism -- especially_ ally rejection of new ideas before they are adequately tested -- and you're not only unpleasantly grumpy, but also closed to the advance of science. A judicious mix is what we need." - Carl Sagan Wonder and Skepticism
Now why do aliens have to be interstellar?
They don't have to be anything, they could be anything.
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Re: How do you feel about the upcoming UFO/ET public disclosure? [Re: I AM SWIM]
#12207930 - 03/15/10 04:52 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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mushrooms and plants are much more evolved than humans
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Re: How do you feel about the upcoming UFO/ET public disclosure? [Re: bros773]
#12207942 - 03/15/10 04:54 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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"may" and "possibly" were used so many times in that video that it holds no more evidence than me claiming that god may exist. None of those claims are theories they are all hypotheses with absolutely no evidence supporting them. My claims are actual theories with scientific evidence to support them, such as the laws of physics. Hypotheses don't stand up to theories unless we bring faith into the equation.
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Re: How do you feel about the upcoming UFO/ET public disclosure? [Re: bros773]
#12207954 - 03/15/10 04:57 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I say you have too much faith in 20th century science
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Re: How do you feel about the upcoming UFO/ET public disclosure? [Re: bros773]
#12207979 - 03/15/10 05:02 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mushroom type organisms ARE more evolved than humans they've been around so much longer and are far better at succeeding...in life. Panspermia theory basically states that spores are all over (travel around the universe evolving into more "intelligent" species.) an alien spore is more likely than little green men. Especially considering it's a FACT that bacteria *from space* exist outside of our atmosphere and even fall to the surface, which supports Panspermia theory more than that clip support anything it claims
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Re: How do you feel about the upcoming UFO/ET public disclosure? [Re: Envix]
#12208000 - 03/15/10 05:06 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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science is, in it's essence, the study of something which no one we know has full understanding of.
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Re: How do you feel about the upcoming UFO/ET public disclosure? [Re: Envix]
#12208024 - 03/15/10 05:09 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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If we don't rely on 20th century scientific theories, then we are only left with faith. I'm not puting words in your mouth sir, but you're basically saying we shouldn't rely on science(the best we've got right now) that we should believe in things that have absolutely no supporting evidence...sounds more like 13th century science (13th century scientist always seemed to work for the roman catholic church). See where I'm going?
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Re: How do you feel about the upcoming UFO/ET public disclosure? [Re: bros773]
#12208102 - 03/15/10 05:20 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm not puting words in your mouth sir, but you're basically saying we shouldn't rely on science
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Re: How do you feel about the upcoming UFO/ET public disclosure? [Re: bros773]
#12208113 - 03/15/10 05:23 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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First of all time travel (not the kind that occurs when you fly a plane, I mean the kind that would allow interstellar travelling) is impossible since it takes an infinate ammount of energy to accelerate anything with mass to the speed of light. With time travel out of the debate
All our knowledge on these types of physics time travel, dimensions, worm holes and the fabric of reality is theoretical.
You should not dismiss time travel or any other theoretical physics for space travel out of the debate so easily.
The problem with your thinking is that you discard a broad range of possiblity with no good reason because all these physics are theoretical.
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