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I believe in casting pearls before swine.
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Silversoul
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I believe in casting pearls before swine.
No one's giving you any pearls if you're not going to put some effort into finding them.
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Computerism
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Silversoul said:
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Computerism said:
I believe in casting pearls before swine.
No one's giving you any pearls if you're not going to put some effort into finding them.
Implying you have any pearls.
All you have are secrets.
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deCypher
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Computerism said:
I believe in casting pearls before swine.
No one's giving you any pearls if you're not going to put some effort into finding them.
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 MarkostheGnostic
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You never required "redeeming" in the first place. 
I don't like to see a worldling like Madonna talk about Kabbalah or any other spiritual path. She is the "material girl," and I'm afraid that one really cannot be so invested in this world and have any spiritual depth simultaneously. Our buddy Jesus said as much. Clearly, Madonna has a hugely inflated ego, as anyone with wealth, fame, throngs of adoring fans, could not help to be utterly effected by this and believe in her own 'greatness.' Then, that egoic identity of worldly greatness seeks to devour/incorporate spiritual development. How can so large an investment in personality at the level of Yesod-Hod-Netzach actually be transcended, and still parade around on stages in fetish wear? Impossible! So all a popularizer can do (and I've had a student in North Miami Beach, where there is a Kabbalah Center, meet Madonna there) is popularize. Madonna is a 'pop idol' and has all that the material world can offer, but I rather see such a person like the demon that Jack Nicholson played in the film 'The Witches of Eastwick.'
Dion Fortunes book was illuminating, but Parfitt's book is a little 'gem.' You can buy it on-line at Barnes & Noble for $4.98. It blows my mind how he paralleled the 7 chakra system with the sephira. And Da'ath, like the Enlightened Throat Center following an Experience at the Crown/Sahasrara, is the place of Knowledge-Holding Deities in Vajrayana - Knowledge/Gyan/Gnosis. It all fits completely!
As to my age: It wasn't a badge of honor, just a fact, that if one remains fascinated by esoteric knowledge from age 18 to one's 50s, one is bound to have stored a lot of data. Just how transforming that data has been for me, or those who have wanted to relate to me, is another question. Knowing a bunch of stuff cognitively isn't transforming, but seeing one's life experiences superimposed on the Tree of Life is the beginning of a transformation. I remember living between Malkuth and Hod as a young materialistic science buff. By my first semester in college, my unconscious was pushing for some kind of spirituality. I read the new Satanic Bible, for crying out loud, and actually began to get into it with ritual items (yet never a practice)! This led to ceremonial magick and Wicca, as Yesod began to open up. I would place LaVey's book under my pillow and have corresponding dreams of cloaked figures walking on high parapets - black and white dreams! This was also the time of my sexual awakening - more Yesod - but feeling, Netzach, didn't open until I met a very influential girl. I didn't rise to Tiphereth until perhaps a year or so later, on acid, when someone handed me a BE HERE NOW on a difficult trip, and that opening page defined the breakthrough I was experiencing. Magick gave way to mysticism. Etc., etc., for the next 37 years.
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deCypher
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mysticism was boring
magick is power
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MarkostheGnostic
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Oooooooh. "Hocus Pocus." 
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deCypher
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Computerism
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Mr. Cypher said:
mysticism was boring
magick is power
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deCypher
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don't you roll your eyes at me sonny
or I'll have to cast the evil eye in your direction
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Computerism
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don't you roll your eyes at me sonny
or I'll have to cast the evil eye in your direction
Please, be my guest. At least it will be some form of proof. 
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deCypher
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proof is found over that way ---->
in the mystical land of Philosophy, Sociology and Psychology
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Computerism
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Can't you at least send a succubus?
I think a demonic ménage á trois would really spice up my marriage. 
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deCypher
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I hear ceasing to masturbate before sleeping works wonders for summoning succubi. 
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Computerism
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ceasing to masturbate
impossible.
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curenado
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I should've been more on the "timeless" and less on the age regarding my point. I think one could find it easier to see or apply in this time if they can arrive at the timelessness of it...
In so far as  and  It seems one would arrive at a point where there was really a very fine line between the two if much of one at all - it seems they would both just be expressions or applications of the same thing differently.
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In so far as and It seems one would arrive at a point where there was really a very fine line between the two if much of one at all - it seems they would both just be expressions or applications of the same thing differently.
yes
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MarkostheGnostic
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In so far as and It seems one would arrive at a point where there was really a very fine line between the two if much of one at all - it seems they would both just be expressions or applications of the same thing differently.
yes
Magick operates below the Veil of Paroketh, (which is equivalent to the 1st, 2nd and 3rd chakra spheres) in the Astral Triangle of Yesod-Hod-Netzach, which govern the individual personality. Once one has risen to the Ethical Triangle of Geburah-Tiphereth-Chesed, one's 'born-again' identity is that of The Witness - the first truly transcendental identity, and the beginning of an ascent to more and more subtle identity. This is why Crowley's drama in the desert and claim to have crossed The Abyss into the Supernal Triangle - the Godhead - by ceremonial magickal means, perhaps involving sodomy with his cohort Victor Neuberg, is absurd.
Magick and mysticism are two directions - getting and giving, respectively. In mysticism, one serves the Higher, in magick one tries to coerce the lower (thaumaturgy) or the Higher (theurgy). The latter is transcendental magick, and it is essentially receptive to the Higher as is religion. In transcendental magick, I would agree that there is a fine line between magick and mysticism, perhaps with a certain knowledge element in which Names or symbolic implements are used both to enhance the magician's 'active imagination,' and also to exert the power of a being a fetish object (not to be confused with a sexual fetish, although sexually, objects seem to embody 'powers' like a spiked shoe does for a shoe fetishist).
As the 23rd Psalm reads: "...for Thine is the power, and the kingdom, and the glory, forever..." which recognizes the Absolute Cause (to use an Aristotelian expression for God), and that humans who attempt tp assume the role of author of these attributes are misguided, presumptuous, and doomed spiritually, especially if magick 'gets' all manner of worldly acquisitions. This was the basis of Christopher Marlowe's ' Dr. Faustus,' which Goethe rewrote as his 'Faust.' In the first version, (played by Richard Burton in the play), Dr. Faustus, after 24 years of being served by the devil Mephistopheles, is ragged kicking and screaming into Hell. Goethe's Faust repents at the last, to be saved from Hell and cheats the devil. These stories, like biblical ones, are intended to teach, among other things, spiritual values. Being rooted in materiality, one so totally identifies with the flesh and its pleasures, (including power over others), that one's 'soul' fails to identify with 'spirit' (this goes back to ancient Egypt), and spiritual death occurs along with physical death. Of course, the world is populated by a majority of spiritually dead humans, and leave it to a film maker like George A. Romero to illustrate this fact with the goriest of ghoulish fiction.
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