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 deCypher
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And the era of surveillance has begun!
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 RiverRat427
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MarkostheGnostic said:
Fair enough. A paraphrase won't do the book justice, and you are quite obviously not ready for what it teaches anyway.
I'm pretty sure that comment was meant for me based on my half-assed attempt of assessing hundreds of years of spiritual tradition from which evolved many different branches/applications in a few paragraphs.
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Computerism said:
I'm not a kid. I think you confuse low post count with age and life experience. You really should feel free to discuss your personal point of view on a topic, rather than just throwing books at people. There's nothing that makes the author of that book any better than you. In fact, I don't really see a point to reading books unless you can communicate what you've learned to others in the course of day-to-day life. Perhaps that goes against some hermetic code you have, but I appreciate your speaking up and explaining things in your own words. 
Shit man, I wasn't trying to be condescending with the kid comment. I didn't even realize it at the time. I just talk that way because I'm a kid (I'm only 18) so I assume everyone I'm talking to on-line is a peer. It's hard to tell when you're just looking at words on a screen. Sorry about that.
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Computerism
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Mr. Cypher said:
And the era of surveillance has begun!
:NWO:
People are giving up their personal information quite willingly it seems. Facebook, MySpace, Google, Shroomery, Twitter, some part of the hive knows who you are and what you're doing almost all the time and we just hand it all over to them. It was brilliant to extend the leviathan electronically and make us want to be counted. Most people find it nearly impossible to unplug; they MUST keep telling people what they're doing. Where can one hide from the robotic eyes? They'd have to give up cell phone service.
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Computerism
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RiverRat427 said:
Shit man, I wasn't trying to be condescending with the kid comment. I didn't even realize it at the time. I just talk that way because I'm a kid (I'm only 18) so I assume everyone I'm talking to on-line is a peer. It's hard to tell when you're just looking at words on a screen. Sorry about that.
Don't worry about it. That's cool. Sorry if I caused any discomfort. 
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deCypher
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In which case I'm fucked because I use my cellphone to score dr00gz and game women.
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Computerism
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Mr. Cypher said:
In which case I'm fucked because I use my cellphone to score dr00gz and game women.
Verizon (or whoever) probably has all your messages saved to a special server and has contacted the FBI by now. They know all your lingo. They know when you text your friend "I need some new socks," what you really mean is you want an eightball.
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deCypher
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FUCK
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RiverRat427
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RiverRat427 said:
Shit man, I wasn't trying to be condescending with the kid comment. I didn't even realize it at the time. I just talk that way because I'm a kid (I'm only 18) so I assume everyone I'm talking to on-line is a peer. It's hard to tell when you're just looking at words on a screen. Sorry about that.
Don't worry about it. That's cool. Sorry if I caused any discomfort.
Not at all. Thanks for appreciating my half-assed assessment.
Unlike Markos I don't have a Ph.D., and I've kind of been lapsed in my spiritual study for a couple of years so I may not have all my p's and q's exactly in order when it comes to being in a position to explain something so complex to someone else but I still have the knowledge that's I've gained through it's application. I'm just rusty on the technicalities.
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Computerism
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RiverRat427 said:
Unlike Markos I don't have a Ph.D., and I've kind of been lapsed in my spiritual study for a couple of years so I may not have all my p's and q's exactly in order when it comes to being in a position to explain something so complex to someone else but I still have the knowledge that's I've gained through it's application. I'm just rusty on the technicalities.
I don't think you need a Ph.D or any other certificates. You're a good person. You both are. You want to help me out and Markos wants me to learn it "right." No one was trying to hurt anyone. 
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True, but I'm not apt to get into such a deep topic on a message board. Perhaps I would have been better off keeping my mouth shut, or rather my fingers still. I was just trying to help the kid glean some insights into my perspective on it's practice. I don't think anyone could paraphrase anything having to do with Kabbalah/Quabalah/Cabala without ending up having written their own book on the subject.
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Unlike Markos, you're not 56 years old either.
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curenado
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Mr. Cypher said:
Occult means hidden for a reason, yo. 
The era of hiding is long over.
No it's not
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RiverRat427 said:
True, but I'm not apt to get into such a deep topic on a message board. Perhaps I would have been better off keeping my mouth shut, or rather my fingers still. I was just trying to help the kid glean some insights into my perspective on it's practice. I don't think anyone could paraphrase anything having to do with Kabbalah/Quabalah/Cabala without ending up having written their own book on the subject.
Seems like if it speaks to you when you're exploring it then good, if not then not. That, I believe be the rules anyway - along with doing your own homework, and when someone offers you a reference for your own consideration just accept it as maybe a kindness instead of a blowoff - saying "Well if you're not gonna tell me I'm not interested" sounds like it might be your loss and may be thought by some to be a means to get others to do your study/meditation for you and hand you something on a plate that doesn't really work that way.
You have to make your own plate with torat haSod and then see what gets put on it.
Only the structures can really be explained - the rest is up to each and if they are lucky enough to have a good explainer (sharer/teacher) for tips along the way. But not on a forum like this and definitely not Madonna...
Also - not to argue lineage or anything which I wouldn't but "Jew is in the Heart" this be the word of God....
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RiverRat427
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MarkostheGnostic said:
It just grew out of a specific cultural context and is works best for those who work within that context
This is true of Kabbalah, but it is not true of Qabalah. In the latter spelling, much of the colorless and abstract principles have been distilled from the very Jewish context, and it becomes known as an occult or esoteric idiom, rather than as a strictly religious one (as in Lubavitcher spirituality). In passing, I'll only mention Cabala, which is a Christianizing adaptation of Kabbalah.
True, the stuff I was saying about using it as an aid in scriptural study is more the literal Kabbalistic side than the esoteric Qabalah.
That was just an example of how I put it into practice that I've found most useful. Using principals of gematria (along with a copy of Strong's) in regular Bible study has greatly helped me decode the message contained in the Old Testament in their original context. Which of course leads to principles to contemplate in meditation.
The Qabalah on the other hand isn't as religious in context and works as sort of a schematic of the mechanics of the cosmos and represents the forces at play in the universe and how they relate to one another. Through it's study one can come to know these forces one by one, gradually working up to the ultimate, the experience of the fullness of all of creation. The source, pure transcendental being.
By doing so one gains knowledge of said mechanics and learns how to manipulate them, bringing about changes in consciousness and the physical world (by understanding the play of forces behind it).
It's a useful tool for those in pursuit of spiritual growth by allowing them to put any object or experience one may encounter in life on earth into their context in "the big picture", seeing the forces they relate to and how they fit into the scheme of things on every level.
The study of the Qabalistic mysticism to me has been very beneficial to my spiritual practice in ways that I can't even state. One has to experience it for themselves to truly grasp the concept fully. The book for which the link was given, by Dion Fortune, is probably the best text to begin at. I still haven't gotten down to checking out the book Markos mentioned but I damn sure will, I remember seeing that book EVERYWHERE back before the Kabbalah explosion and could never track it down.
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Unlike Markos, you're not 56 years old either.
Nor do I claim to be. I knew I was opening a can of worms getting into such a topic and trying to explain something so vast in such broad terms. Whatta' ya' think Tau Markos, does my re-wording redeem me at all, just a little?
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RiverRat427
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curenado said:
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Mr. Cypher said:
Occult means hidden for a reason, yo.
The era of hiding is long over.
No it's not
IMO the era of looking harder is at hand
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Only the structures can really be explained - the rest is up to each and if they are lucky enough to have a good explainer (sharer/teacher) for tips along the way. But not on a forum like this and definitely not Madonna...
Word
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curenado
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You do pretty good anyway RiverRat...and don't worry about the age card, it gets played too much anyway ...either Markos is spot-on, close enough we get it or not, just like anybody else.
Age doesn't have that much to do with the important stuff really - except of course the old one about being forty before discussing merkabah with anyone. I have no argument for that...
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RiverRat427
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Nor do I. Thanks for the kind words, man!
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deCypher
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welcome to the internet
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Computerism
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curenado said:
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Computerism said:
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Mr. Cypher said:
Occult means hidden for a reason, yo.
The era of hiding is long over.
No it's not
Maybe not for you, but it can end with me.
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Edited by Computerism (03/13/10 05:33 AM)
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curenado
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Computerism said: "Maybe not for you, but it can end with me."
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I don't even know what that's supposed to mean but said enough here anyways - cheers!
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