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 Saviorself187
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 Aquarium Heater's Maximum Space
#12170622 - 03/09/10 12:06 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was wondering if there would be a good way to hook up a single aquarium heater to heat and humidify 2-3 30 gallon sterlite tubs for an FC, and if i could get it to fit in a refridgerator- the fridge is big enough to hold at least two but i dont know if it would be adequate for fruiting. i already have a setup for a little air-exchange but if the aquarium heater isnt sufficient ill probably try a humidifer and a small heater. Any tips are welcome but please read carefully and anwer the question, nothing is worse than completely missing the point on a forum for everybody to see. thx
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I was wondering if there would be a good way to hook up a single aquarium heater to heat and humidify 2-3 30 gallon sterlite tubs for an FC, and if i could get it to fit in a refridgerator- the fridge is big enough to hold at least two but i dont know if it would be adequate for fruiting. i already have a setup for a little air-exchange but if the aquarium heater isnt sufficient ill probably try a humidifer and a small heater. Any tips are welcome but please read carefully and anwer the question, nothing is worse than completely missing the point on a forum for everybody to see. thx
I think you posted in the wrong forum :P It's no biggie though, we can forgive you.
I do not think an aquarium heater, unless it is a large expensive unit I haven't seen anyway, will be capable of straight heating 60+gallons of air, keeping in mind they are designed to work underwater.
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Re: Aquarium Heater's Maximum Space (moved) [Re: Saviorself187]
#12170687 - 03/09/10 12:14 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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 This thread was moved from The Pub.
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We gots a forum for these kinds of questions.
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Re: Aquarium Heater's Maximum Space (moved) [Re: Gumby]
#12170726 - 03/09/10 12:19 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thank you Gumby :P the staff here is prompt and reliable :P
I do have some experience with cheap aquarium water heaters. The units I bought were 20 bucks and designed to heat and aquariums of about that size. One wasn't enough to make a major difference, and two took several hours to make the inside of my chamber reach 70 degrees. This design was a with the heaters sitting in an inch or two of water at the bottom with shelves above. Makes a great reptile incubator with thermometers attached.
I have also seen some engenious devices called "heat bombs" that are basically a jar or enclosure with the heating element centered inside it. Some modifcation of the heaters was required in some cases though, and I didn't feel the need to mess with any of that.
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Re: Aquarium Heater's Maximum Space (moved) [Re: blujay]
#12170742 - 03/09/10 12:23 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was wondering if there would be a good way to hook up a single aquarium heater to heat and humidify 2-3 30 gallon sterlite tubs for an FC,
why do you want to heat it. room temps (68-78F) is fine for all stages of myc growth even fruiting.
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and if i could get it to fit in a refridgerator- the fridge is big enough to hold at least two but i dont know if it would be adequate for fruiting.
no it wouldnt. you need lots of Fresh Air.
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i already have a setup for a little air-exchange but if the aquarium heater isnt sufficient ill probably try a humidifer and a small heater.
you need as much air as you can during fruiting and a heater will dry up any humidity in the air if you do that.
are you using cakes or grains? we need a few more details to help with your setup. 
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Re: Aquarium Heater's Maximum Space (moved) [Re: 13shrooms]
#12170768 - 03/09/10 12:29 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11533599
this link should help with some ideas for good setups for you. 
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Re: Aquarium Heater's Maximum Space (moved) [Re: 13shrooms]
#12170769 - 03/09/10 12:29 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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A refridgerator could easily be retrofitted for your purposes, given that it no longer needs to be a refridgerator. You would need to facilitate air echange by pumping air into the box, and you need to maintain a high humidity and 70-80 deg f. They will do fine at room temparature, but you can increase the speed and amount of growth by keeping the temperature higher.
There is a point around 88 dg f that the temperature becomes facilitating to bacterial growth. This can screw you over much worse than being too cold. Keep temperature concerns below humidity and air exchange concerns.
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Re: Aquarium Heater's Maximum Space (moved) [Re: blujay]
#12170807 - 03/09/10 12:33 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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There is a point around 88 dg f that the temperature becomes facilitating to bacterial growth.
thats 81F not 88F 
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They will do fine at room temparature, but you can increase the speed and amount of growth by keeping the temperature higher.
myc generates heat as it colonizes so a jar at 78F room temp has an internal temp of 81F. if using spawn bags that temp could differ as much as 20deg. 
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Re: Aquarium Heater's Maximum Space (moved) [Re: blujay]
#12170867 - 03/09/10 12:39 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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im with you 13. i look at at this thread and was like 
1.why the fridge ?
2.why the heater? i was assuming the fridge was gonna be on. then I was like that don't make sense. must be a stealth grow.
seeing the thread I was thinking the only reason for a heater is a TIT but a mono works just as well .
must be my mind set :if you gotta hide your grow you shouldn't be growing!!
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Re: Aquarium Heater's Maximum Space (moved) [Re: 13shrooms]
#12170912 - 03/09/10 12:44 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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WOW that was fast, this place is awesome. OK, i have an LC going right now and i plan to use BRF or popcorn just to make it easy for my 1st. I feel that im well read on this but i have 0 experience so your input is extermely valuable. i know the heat isnt necessary, i just wanted to optimize growing conditions and i thought the two in 1 bang of heat and humidity in the aquarium heater might be too good to be true. i wanted to avoid too much equipment but still have maximum efficiency. what do you recommend for humidity and would a 6" inline duct fan and not work for airflow?
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Re: Aquarium Heater's Maximum Space (moved) [Re: 13shrooms]
#12170929 - 03/09/10 12:46 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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13shrooms said:
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There is a point around 88 dg f that the temperature becomes facilitating to bacterial growth.
thats 81F not 88F
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They will do fine at room temparature, but you can increase the speed and amount of growth by keeping the temperature higher.
myc generates heat as it colonizes so a jar at 78F room temp has an internal temp of 81F. if using spawn bags that temp could differ as much as 20deg.
Good call.
So if you keep your house at 68-70 temperature is practically negligible. The gains associated with nearing that threshold may not outwiegh the risk of creating temperatures inside your myc above 81.
I didn't realize it generated any measureable heat during colonization. interesting
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Re: Aquarium Heater's Maximum Space (moved) [Re: Saviorself187]
#12170950 - 03/09/10 12:49 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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The fridge is new but the compressor burned out, and the whole stealth aspect is in my nature. I dont mind projects like installing the fan and stuff like that but if you think it would really hurt the grow then i could just resort to more conventional methods but i really want to try it this way for the possibility of a massive grow in insonspicuous containers- lots of old refridgerators in your yard might look crazy if you dont live in alabama.
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Re: Aquarium Heater's Maximum Space (moved) [Re: Saviorself187]
#12170981 - 03/09/10 12:54 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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WOW that was fast, this place is awesome. OK, i have an LC going right now and i plan to use BRF or popcorn just to make it easy for my 1st. I feel that im well read on this but i have 0 experience so your input is extermely valuable. i know the heat isnt necessary, i just wanted to optimize growing conditions and i thought the two in 1 bang of heat and humidity in the aquarium heater might be too good to be true. i wanted to avoid too much equipment but still have maximum efficiency. what do you recommend for humidity and would a 6" inline duct fan and not work for airflow?
I don't have experience with culturing anything in liquid unfortunately, and popcorn got molded easily. Try the brf I say. The natural-vermiculite mold-spore filter layer strategy works marvelously.
If you use a 6" fan that should be fine, but you want it pulling air in through polyfilled or otherwise filtered inlets.
Pushing air in you'd want a filter on the intake and to make sure the cabinet maintains a noticable positive air pressure.
I would run the fans several minutes every hour. Accomplishing this is another concern.
If you keep it clean enough, you can simply crumble your colonies into more substrate (pasteurized manure is good) and from my experience, heavily increase the size and yield of each fruit and possibly the number you get out of it, as well.
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Re: Aquarium Heater's Maximum Space (moved) [Re: blujay]
#12171103 - 03/09/10 01:10 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't have experience with culturing anything in liquid unfortunately, and popcorn got molded easily. Try the brf I say. The natural-vermiculite mold-spore filter layer strategy works marvelously.
If you use a 6" fan that should be fine, but you want it pulling air in through polyfilled or otherwise filtered inlets.
Pushing air in you'd want a filter on the intake and to make sure the cabinet maintains a noticable positive air pressure.
I would run the fans several minutes every hour. Accomplishing this is another concern.
If you keep it clean enough, you can simply crumble your colonies into more substrate (pasteurized manure is good) and from my experience, heavily increase the size and yield of each fruit and possibly the number you get out of it, as well.
Thanks blujay and 13shrooms and everyone else youve all helped alot. i probably will just do the old tried and true but i will devise a way to aquarium heat a fridge and pump out some serious quantity and ill post it to show results. This site is so damn handy its hard to believe.
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Re: Aquarium Heater's Maximum Space (moved) [Re: Saviorself187]
#12171170 - 03/09/10 01:19 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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its been done but it takes some tweeking. look up PmP or poor mans pod. their might even be some refridgerator teks in the archives. 
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Re: Aquarium Heater's Maximum Space (moved) [Re: 13shrooms]
#12171202 - 03/09/10 01:21 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Aquarium Heater's Maximum Space (moved) [Re: 13shrooms]
#12171582 - 03/09/10 02:18 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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don't run an aquarium heater in air space. there is minimum water level requirement for those things. not safe.
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Re: Aquarium Heater's Maximum Space (moved) [Re: IndicaHybrid]
#12171723 - 03/09/10 02:36 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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yeah i've actually gotten pretty badly burned by one of those once. They can get really hot if not in water
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Re: Aquarium Heater's Maximum Space (moved) [Re: IndicaHybrid]
#12171946 - 03/09/10 03:10 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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don't run an aquarium heater in air space. there is minimum water level requirement for those things. not safe.
my plan was to have a large reservoir or maybe a heat bomb that was either dead center or below the substrate. i think i might try the heat bomb first, with my primary concern being humidity.
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