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Re: Iran president says publicly that 9/11 was a lie [Re: M.Reynolds]
    #12169152 - 03/09/10 09:58 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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That's the goal, but where are the people who died on those planes, who did they recruit to suicide into a building?






We don't usually find out all the details until years later, like Pearl Harbor.


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Re: Iran president says publicly that 9/11 was a lie [Re: M.Reynolds]
    #12175888 - 03/10/10 07:34 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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wakeboarder:  prove that muslim extremists did it.


all i hear is noise...





Who flew the planes then?  Where are the people who died on those planes? 

Who would give their life to promote whatever goal you think the government was trying to accomplish?




It could have been Israelis.  7 of the supposed hijackers are still alive somewhere, obviously they were victims of identity theft.

Who would most likely want to set up Muslims?  I think the Jewish Zionists.  Israel has gained the most from the war, and is obviously dictating foreign policy in north America.  The Zionist elite are no strangers to high corruption and scandal.


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Re: Iran president says publicly that 9/11 was a lie [Re: Shins]
    #12175906 - 03/10/10 07:47 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

and you are no stranger to anti-semitism...

been handing out copies of this lately?


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Re: Iran president says publicly that 9/11 was a lie [Re: novum]
    #12175941 - 03/10/10 08:03 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Lol theres goes anti-semite.  what about all the anti muslim people, why is that okay?  Why is it okay for racist jews to think they are Superior to gentiles?

Besides,  most jews are not even genetically Semitic, Some of muslims or athiets for that matter are most certainly Semitic.

What i have is a problem with racism, corruption, and criminal action. If certain people fit the bill,  then it's not my fault. 

It is also important to differentiate between  Jews,  Hebrews, and Zionists.

Most Jews are good people who practice good morals, i have many jewish friends.

Hebrew is a language or refers to the ancient people from the original tribes of Israel.

Zionism is an extremist view that jews have a right to Palestine because according to the bible, god says so.


I don't believe the bible word for word, or that god said the jews have a right to anything, thus i am anti-Zionist yes.

I also do not believe in racism as i said before so i am anti hard core Judaism.

Now please explain to my why this is to be frowned upon according to you.

It's a straw man anyways...



P.S. I have not even read the protocols of Zion.


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Re: Iran president says publicly that 9/11 was a lie [Re: novum]
    #12176001 - 03/10/10 08:37 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Here's what we should think deeply about...


Being anti-zionist is not being anti-semitic.


There are many jews who are anti-zionist, are you trying to say that they are self hating jews?

Can you see how your position is illogical?


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Re: Iran president says publicly that 9/11 was a lie [Re: Shins]
    #12176011 - 03/10/10 08:42 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

yes, it is a strawman, as is everything you've posted here....

i have as much proof for my claim that you are an anti-semite as you do that the jews were behind 9/11.


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Re: Iran president says publicly that 9/11 was a lie [Re: novum]
    #12176041 - 03/10/10 08:55 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

As do we have proof that muslims did it.  It is okay to investigate all avenues and in my opinion if muslims did not do it, extremist jews and co.  are next in the line of suspicion.

I just think that it should be fairly considered and investigated.


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Re: Iran president says publicly that 9/11 was a lie [Re: Shins]
    #12176103 - 03/10/10 09:28 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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7 of the supposed hijackers are still alive somewhere, obviously they were victims of identity theft.






"The operator at the call center has the number for the Arab News on speed dial. We make a call to Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. A few seconds later, Managing Editor John Bradley is on the line. When we tell Bradley our story, he snorts and says: "That's ridiculous! People here stopped talking about that a long time ago."

Bradley tells us that at the time his reporters did not speak directly with the so-called "survivors," but instead combined reports from other Arab papers. These reports, says Bradley, appeared at a time when the only public information about the attackers was a list of names that had been published by the FBI on September 14th. The FBI did not release photographs until four days after the cited reports, on September 27th.

The photographs quickly resolved the nonsense about surviving terrorists. According to Bradley, "all of this is attributable to the chaos that prevailed during the first few days following the attack. What we're dealing with are coincidentally identical names." In Saudi Arabia, says Bradley, the names of two of the allegedly surviving attackers, Said al-Ghamdi and Walid al-Shari, are "as common as John Smith in the United States or Great Britain.

Spiegel (September 8, 2003) "Panoply of the Absurd"

WASHINGTON, Sept. 15 -- Three of the men identified as the hijackers in the attacks on Tuesday have the same names as alumni of American military schools, the authorities said today. The men were identified as Mohamed Atta, Abdulaziz al-Omari and Saeed al-Ghamdi.

The Defense Department said Mr. Atta had gone to the International Officers School at Maxwell Air Force Base in Alabama; Mr. al-Omari to the Aerospace Medical School at Brooks Air Force Base in Texas; and Mr. al-Ghamdi to the Defense Language Institute at the Presidio in Monterey, Calif.

New York Times (September 15, 2001). "Shared Names for Hijackers"


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Re: Iran president says publicly that 9/11 was a lie [Re: M.Reynolds]
    #12176119 - 03/10/10 09:34 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

What never made any sense to me is how the majority of hijackers were Saudis but we didn't invade Saudi Arabia.


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Re: Iran president says publicly that 9/11 was a lie [Re: Shins]
    #12176657 - 03/10/10 12:16 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

7 of the supposed hijackers are still alive somewhere

Source?


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Re: Iran president says publicly that 9/11 was a lie [Re: Mr.Al]
    #12178626 - 03/10/10 06:33 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Iran president says publicly that 9/11 was a lie [Re: M.Reynolds]
    #12178716 - 03/10/10 06:48 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Shins said:
7 of the supposed hijackers are still alive somewhere, obviously they were victims of identity theft.






"The operator at the call center has the number for the Arab News on speed dial. We make a call to Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. A few seconds later, Managing Editor John Bradley is on the line. When we tell Bradley our story, he snorts and says: "That's ridiculous! People here stopped talking about that a long time ago."

Bradley tells us that at the time his reporters did not speak directly with the so-called "survivors," but instead combined reports from other Arab papers. These reports, says Bradley, appeared at a time when the only public information about the attackers was a list of names that had been published by the FBI on September 14th. The FBI did not release photographs until four days after the cited reports, on September 27th.

The photographs quickly resolved the nonsense about surviving terrorists. According to Bradley, "all of this is attributable to the chaos that prevailed during the first few days following the attack. What we're dealing with are coincidentally identical names." In Saudi Arabia, says Bradley, the names of two of the allegedly surviving attackers, Said al-Ghamdi and Walid al-Shari, are "as common as John Smith in the United States or Great Britain.

Spiegel (September 8, 2003) "Panoply of the Absurd"

WASHINGTON, Sept. 15 -- Three of the men identified as the hijackers in the attacks on Tuesday have the same names as alumni of American military schools, the authorities said today. The men were identified as Mohamed Atta, Abdulaziz al-Omari and Saeed al-Ghamdi.

The Defense Department said Mr. Atta had gone to the International Officers School at Maxwell Air Force Base in Alabama; Mr. al-Omari to the Aerospace Medical School at Brooks Air Force Base in Texas; and Mr. al-Ghamdi to the Defense Language Institute at the Presidio in Monterey, Calif.

New York Times (September 15, 2001). "Shared Names for Hijackers"




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Re: Iran president says publicly that 9/11 was a lie [Re: Shins]
    #12179817 - 03/10/10 10:00 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

So you just believe it is a case of same name, photograph and personal information 7 of them?  There is more to the story, At least one of the people named claimed his passport was stolen.

Sorry,  i just don't buy the mistaken identity story, it doesn't hold up. Intelligence agencies are well known for forging passports, identity theft is more plausible.

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/9-11-misinformation-flight-passenger-lists-show-no-hijacker-names


This is not an open and shut case of mistaken identity,  there are still alot of discrepancies.

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20010920&slug=probe20

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WASHINGTON — FBI officials said yesterday some of the 19 terrorists who carried out last week's assault on New York and near Washington may have stolen the identities of other people and their real names may never be known.




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"This operation had tremendous security, and using false names would have been part of it," said John Martin, retired chief of the Justice Department's internal-security section. "The hijackers themselves may not have known the others' true names."





The question still remains to actually hijacked the planes, to this day we don't know for sure.


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Re: Iran president says publicly that 9/11 was a lie [Re: Poid]
    #12182183 - 03/11/10 11:10 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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7 of the supposed hijackers are still alive somewhere

Source?





apparently there's no such thing as falsified identification, nor is
there a chance that 2 people could have the same name


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Re: Iran president says publicly that 9/11 was a lie [Re: LayYouIn]
    #12183708 - 03/11/10 04:34 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I posted this on my facebook


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Re: Iran president says publicly that 9/11 was a lie [Re: Oreganic]
    #12184649 - 03/11/10 06:39 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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If Ahmedinnerjihad said it, you know he's lying.  He denies the holocaust, too.




His stance on 9-11 only further supports my stance that he is one of the few leaders around the world today who is willing to stand up and ask legitimate questions. It's amazing how such false information can be perpetuated by the media...






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Re: Iran president says publicly that 9/11 was a lie [Re: yesyesyall]
    #12185170 - 03/11/10 08:03 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I just came across this RT interview with David griffin by chance dated march 9 talking a bit about live 9/11 hijackers



He also talks about the chief of Japan's democratic party's recent allegation also that 9/11 was a hoax.

The FBI Has pretty much ignored the issue of false identities after admitting about it. To this day they still say the live hijackers are solely responsible.  Why aren't they looking to find out who the real people who used their identities were?


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Re: Iran president says publicly that 9/11 was a lie [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #12185266 - 03/11/10 08:13 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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7 of the supposed hijackers are still alive somewhere

Source?





apparently there's no such thing as falsified identification, nor is
there a chance that 2 people could have the same name


Then they MUST be alive! :tinfoil:


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Re: Iran president says publicly that 9/11 was a lie [Re: Shins]
    #12185312 - 03/11/10 08:19 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I just came across this RT interview with David griffin by chance dated march 9 talking a bit about live 9/11 hijackers






Russia Today airs a great deal of questionably stories, just because
something appears on a news show, that doesnt make it fact


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Re: Iran president says publicly that 9/11 was a lie [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #12185375 - 03/11/10 08:25 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I just came across this RT interview with David griffin by chance dated march 9 talking a bit about live 9/11 hijackers






Russia Today airs a great deal of questionably stories...


Examples?


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