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 passitbobbie
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 Collected personal research and experimentation with Blue Lotus and Sacred Lotus. 
#5918802 - 07/31/06 03:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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This is a collection of postings I made on this site around 2 years ago. Blue Lotus is one of my favorite entheogens. If the moderators feel this needs to be moved to the ethnobotanical garden, I would ask you leave it here a few days so that newcomers that don't frequent that forum can read it. Reference to "that other herb" is pot.
I've had the pleasure of smoking blue lotus extract that I made from stamens and its one of my favorite plants. That being said I was wondering if anyone knew the relative potency of stamens to flowers.
Thanks
Well preliminary tests (smoked both stamen extract and flower extract) seem to indicate that the stamen is not just more powerful, but much more powerful.
Stamen extract:
Smoked Stamen extract with sativa and drank a hard mike's. Had a nice lucid high with extreme case of the comfortables. 1/2 oz of stamens that had already been steeped in tea was enough for four doses supplemented with the above ingredients.
Flower extract:
Smoked all of it (28 grams extracted to 1.1g) with that other herb, but didn't drink alcohol. Had brief lucidity followed by some comfiness but once that passed smoking more didn't make me higher. Overral dissapointed with the flowers but I will dry the second extraction next week and try with alcohol to see if that is the "key" to having the full blue lotus experience.
Fred the stamen experience was quite powerful, though I have never tried it without the that other herb + alcohol combo. That being said it wasn't anywhere near the amount of that other herb a 2x-3x a day smoker normally smokes to get high. The blue lotus extract has a very flowery, pleasant smell to it; when burned the smoke retains this quality. I have smoked both in a bowl and in a joint (didn't expect it to work well because its an extract).
Both times the effects kicked in a little after that other herb. Best described as really good sativa without any mental retardation, followed by a severe case of the comfortables. I like the stamens very much.
I didn't mention the species but yes the stamens were Nelumbo Nucifera. I thought the flowers were the same species but they are Nymphae Caerulea. How did you discern this (i thought all plants had stamens)?
What I find interesting about all of this is that Nelumbo Nucifera has only 2 reports on erowid while Nymphae seems to be heavily tested. From what I have experienced I would say Nelumbo is much more potent. Would Nymphae have stamens? or vis-a-vis does Nelumbo have flowers? Just when I thought I had the answers ;p
Recap of part 1: I get 1/2 oz of stamens of Nelumbo Nucifera from iamshaman and run an extraction with amazing results. I then get an oz of the flowers and run an extraction with amazingly crappy results. Turns out the flowers are Nymphae Cereleau (sp?).
The seller of the flowers contacted ME to make sure I was happy, I told him the whole deal and he told me one or two things that really helped enhance my blue lotus experience. The first is that blue lotus has a reverse tolerance so you may not feel anything the first time. The second is that if you do feel the effects the first time its best to stop smoking it as you feel them so that you can work on your reverse tolerance.
I have since ran the same ground up plant powder through another ethanol extraction except that this time I soaked it a full week and ahalf instead of 30 minutes and added about 10 grams of plant material to the ethanol so that I had 10 grams of 2-3x extract instead of 1 gram of 20-30x extract (approximation due to earlier extraction). This provided me with two great qualities. The first is the ability to actually "see" how much I was smoking. The second was that it wasn't a gelatinous blackish blob that sticks to your fingers, I even rolled it in joints to great effects.
My gf and I smoked this second extraction about 4 times with the greatest effects the third time which was about 3.5 grams of 3x extract with 1 gram of different that other herb, in 4 joints. Due to my following the advice of the seller (about reverse tolerance) this 3rd time got me buzzed for literally 4 hours, my gf a bit more but she weighs much less than I. I'd imagine the 4th time would have been more stupendous but I only had whatever blue lotus extract "shake" was left from the joint rolling.
Subjectively the nelumbo stamens are still more potent than the nymphae flowers. Of course I want to do part to part comparison of the two species, and then of the flowers vs stamens of each... thats part three once I get the proper materials in.
The only alcohol that touched my blue lotus was the grain alcohol I used for extraction ;p so I cant say. I'd imagine the same amount that you would smoke but popular opinion is that the lotuses are potentiated best by alcohol. Subjectively i'd say its potentiated more by that other herb but I dont much like alcohol (very occasional drinker) in the first place. If you were going to dilute it in alcohol I'd use wine and take a few sips to get that reverse tolerance thing we talked about earlier started on then come back to it every day till the effects are felt then go hog wild cause at that point its wonderful ;p
On a side note while I did feel some reverse tolerance with the nelumbo stamens it did get me way high the first time vs the nymphae flowers but at this point its impossible to determine if that was a difference in the plants or a difference in the potency of stamens vs flowers
I was just told 10 grams of material in a bottle of wine is the usual.
I'm guesstimating that when smoked I smoke about 4-6 grams of nymphae flower... less than half of that for nelumbo. This estimate is based on an OZ that was extracted and shared between my gf and I which was good for 3.5 sessions with blue lotus and that other herb. The .5 is a bunch of shake leftover from joint-rollin.
NP I can clarify I was a little high on calamus when writing that.
I used 190 proof grain alcohol + the dry stamens in a blender. You pour just enough alcohol to cover your plant material. Then pour the sludge into a pickle jar. Let that sit for anywhere from 15 minutes to 2 weeks (depending whether you want all the actives at once or to run multiple extractions)... you get the idea I can describe ethanol extractions at length if need be.
The resulting sacred lotus extract (1g=1/2oz) was smoked 4 times with my girlfriend and myself on top of that other herb, while drinking hard mike's cranberry lemonade ;p. The effects are: lucid racing thoughts, increased ability to express thoughts, random improv moments, general "high" similar to very good sativa but not similar enough so that you would mistake the two, euphoria, CEVs, touch enhancement, followed 20-50 minutes after smoked by extreme "comfortables" a general melting into the couch feeling. The combination off extract+that other herb gets me good and high for 4+ hours.
A friend of a friend's contact of a contact was introduced to me the other day. He has Lotus at a very agreeable price so I'm going to check him out for round three. I ordered 1 oz of Nelumbo Nucifera, 1 oz of Nymphae Alba (white lotus) and 1 oz of Nymphae Cereaula. I imagine that the extractions will be ready by the end of this week and I will update with another comparison. This time I will compare the three species I am away of against each other for potency, as well as testing stamens versus flowers of the same species. Sit tight the journey has just begun; look for Lotus Smokin: The Trifecta coming week after this.
I recently bioassayed Nymphae Alba, Nymphae Caerulea and Nelumbo Nucifera all during the same time period with an eye towards describing the effects and seeing which was most potent.
I have come to believe, through experimentation, that nelumbo nucifera and nymphae cearelua have completely different chemical actives. I used to think they were the same until I tried smoking blue lotus after smoking sacred lotus. There is a special "frontal lobe" activation with sacred lotus (nelumbo nucifera) that the blue lotus (nymphae caerulea) was bringing me down from. I then proceeded to smoke more nelumbo nucifera and regained this frontal lobe activation. On top of that the effects of them differ quite a bit. Nelumbo Nucifera makes me quite lucid and I'll almost always get creative energy that comes out as jokes, improv or whatever I get the notion to do. Nelumbo also seems to make the world slightly more dense. Nymphae (alba and caerulea) seems to be more euphoric, more about touch enhancement and a different character of CEVs. For me it also seems that nelumbo nucifera and that other herb somewhat counteract each other whereas nymphae and that other herb get me way gone.
Blue lotus: Feels like a hybrid between pot and opium. Mental Retardation similar to that other herb, comfortables, touch enhancement and some euphoria and very synergistic with it lengthening the experience of both herbs.
Sacred lotus: Id describe the instant effects to be like a very clear headed high, very lucid, but also reality distortion. There is an activation of my head that almost feels like my brain is full but in a good way. I also experience severe comfortableness usually before im done smoking but much after the initial effects.
I am quite certain these are different actives and should not be taken at the same time if one wants to fully experience the other. That said sacred lotus exhibits no reverse tolerance like blue lotus. Whereas the proper way to get accustomed to blue lotus is to take 3 grams of raw plant material over the course of 5 days. On the sixth day you should feel free to consume as much as desired but will most likely still be working on the reverse tolerance. A dose by weight of raw plant material is 3-6 grams.
I've had an overhwelming response on how to do the extraction process so I will elaborate on the procedure here.
1.) I took the 10 grams of blue lotus that we had ran through the tea and dumped it into a blender.
2.) I then put enough Gem Clear (also sold as everclear) 190 proof grain alcohol to submerge the blue lotus and blended them together for 3-5 minutes
3.) I took a cup and rubberbanded a coffee filter over it (though slightly "in" the cup so it could hold the plant matter) then poured the blender mix into the cup
4.) after that had drained into the cup I used some ethanol to get the loose bits and peices off the blender and did the same thing again
5.) I then took the coffee filter off and squeezed it gently to get the remaining blue lotus enhanced ethanol into the cup (keep the blue lotus inside the cofee filter as I've found that you can get some resin off of material that has already been used by repeating this process)
6.) Poured the cup into a brown flat pan but have since switched to white plates due to concerns about metal shaving and how much easier the plate is to work with
7.) I now reccommend setting up a house fan right next to the plate and it will dry fairly quickly leaving just resin (you want it very dry otherwise when you go to do step 8 you'll just smudge the stuff around)
8.) Use a butter knife or woodcarving tools to scrape the resin off the plate (you are using a plate right remember pans suck due to metal shavings ;0) and collect the resin together in a container
We ended up with 2 grams of resin from the "already made into a tea" 10 grams of blue lotus stems.
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 Re: Collected personal research and experimentation with Blue Lotus and Sacred Lotus. [Re: passitbobbie]
#5919069 - 07/31/06 04:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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good information, what about oral doses?
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Re: Collected personal research and experimentation with Blue Lotus and Sacred Lotus. [Re: leery11]
#5919099 - 07/31/06 04:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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In the BBC documentary about Blue Lotus, the 2 volunteers first consumed lotus wine then on the comedown consumed the flowers that had been soaking in it and this brought them up again. Thats all I know about an oral dose.
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Re: Collected personal research and experimentation with Blue Lotus and Sacred Lotus. [Re: passitbobbie]
#5922687 - 08/01/06 06:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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hm.
i'm looking for something that can compliment yoga and meditation nicely.
something that is not particularly going to have me "high" but rather "attentive" and "buzzed" in such a way that the body is relaxed and the mind is loosened up so that it can pay adequate attention, and most hopefully, be absorbed in whatever it is doing, like the sense of immersion in the NOW that pot can give, even after just a tiny hit where you aren't even high or hardly buzzed.
i'd be doing it orally to save my lungs.
the reports make it sound like you don't want to move much, but i'm wondering if it could serve as a muscle relaxant/loosener for doing yoga, the way cannabis does.
i'm leaning towards just staying sober, but i'm thinking blue lotus might make a good tea for mild effects, similar to how i like green tea to get a happy caffeine buzz, or chamomile to get a relaxation.
it's all in dose i'm sure, but.... what do you think?
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Re: Collected personal research and experimentation with Blue Lotus and Sacred Lotus. [Re: passitbobbie]
#5922875 - 08/01/06 07:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks for the great post. I sent you a pm.
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Re: Collected personal research and experimentation with Blue Lotus and Sacred Lotus. [Re: leery11]
#5923360 - 08/01/06 09:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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It is all in the dose. Blue Lotus on its own is mild and mind-expanding with that feeling of being "in the now". I'm sure stretching/meditation and yoga would feel sensational with the body buzz.
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Re: Collected personal research and experimentation with Blue Lotus and Sacred Lotus. [Re: passitbobbie]
#5924939 - 08/02/06 10:22 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks for the info, I have some sacred lotus coming in the mail soon and I hadn't heard very much about it before.
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Re: Collected personal research and experimentation with Blue Lotus and Sacred Lotus. [Re: passitbobbie]
#12153416 - 03/06/10 11:54 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm confused, is it better to smoke the blue lotus or soak it in wine?
Was it even blue lotus? What is the stamen stuff?
I like the sound of blue lotus and am thinking of buying some and trying to write some songs on it but im not sure if i should cos you said about the stamens...
Although informative i found your post a bit confusing and the text to background colour on here hurts my eyes after a bit...
Should i get 1g of 20x of blue lotus powder and smoke it? Will it get me going?
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Re: Collected personal research and experimentation with Blue Lotus and Sacred Lotus. [Re: phayxie]
#12153623 - 03/06/10 12:29 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've drunk blue lotus infusions and smoked blue lotus in the past; Drinking it seems to provide a mild yet noticeable sedative effect. Got nothing from smoking it I'm afraid. Good luck with your research.
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