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can anybody suggest some good literature on "OM"
    #12150997 - 03/05/10 08:27 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

yes, the syllable OM


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Re: can anybody suggest some good literature on "OM" [Re: adamlivesinCA]
    #12151005 - 03/05/10 08:29 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

The Upanishads has some info on OM but it's not about OM but still a good read


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Re: can anybody suggest some good literature on "OM" [Re: enthiangenic]
    #12151059 - 03/05/10 08:42 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

'foundations of tibetan mysticism' has a whole section on it - really goes into the theory behind mantras

the entire book is a great read :thumbup:


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Re: can anybody suggest some good literature on "OM" [Re: deff]
    #12151448 - 03/05/10 09:58 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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enthiangenic said:
The Upanishads has some info on OM but it's not about OM but still a good read




yeah,  the Upanishads are awesome. i read Paul Duessen's The Philosophy of the Upanishads which is an old but very detailed and comprehensive work.

i had something more contemporary in mind though... i suppose i should have been more specific.  something sciencey like maybe something about brainwave frequencies or cosmic frequencies or i dono? i guess something that expands on the traditional spiritual literature on it.  i dont want to be too specific though cuz i'm too high to do that very well, and i just want to know what others have found interesting

and -deff,
i'll check out foundations of tibetan mysticism. i found it on googlebooks. thanks


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Re: can anybody suggest some good literature on "OM" [Re: adamlivesinCA]
    #12151685 - 03/05/10 10:51 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Not something necessarily "sciencey" like brainwave frequencies(Look into the Schumann resonance perhaps?), but you might find interest in Crowley's expansion of aum into aumgn, as outlined here: http://sacred-texts.com/oto/aba/chap7.htm (scroll down to subchapter V).


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Re: can anybody suggest some good literature on "OM" [Re: lavod]
    #12151983 - 03/06/10 12:22 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

very interesting.  i like the part where it kinda described the biomechanics of forming and connecting sounds of each letter(i'd seen that idea mentioned in another thread on here) before it explained the symbolic meaning of the letters.  the i wouldn't have know to ask about stuff connecting aum with crowly. precisely why i started with a broader request. 

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The tone of 'om' or 'aum' is said to be the sound that is created when no resistance is offered to the voice. Instead of tensing the cheeks, jaw, tongue, and lips to make certain words out of the tone, one completely relaxes all of the above and makes a simple undefined sound.

This process of relaxation parallels in the mind, because it requires a focused intent on the concept of 'om' in the mind.  This can help to relieve one of mind chatter and other verbal thought-forms.





the part about the sun and the 6x6 square...  i didn't quite get that. do you have to re arrange the numbers like sudoku or something so that the rows and diagonals each add up to 111? because just numbering them sequentially from 1-36 would not work like that.  1+2+3+4+5+6...+36=111x6=666 all works out though.

if you dont feel like getting into numbers i'm totally cool with that..


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Re: can anybody suggest some good literature on "OM" [Re: adamlivesinCA]
    #12152976 - 03/06/10 09:07 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

ya.. meher baba explains everything on OM and everything in general


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Re: can anybody suggest some good literature on "OM" [Re: adamlivesinCA]
    #12153128 - 03/06/10 09:42 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

The only way to understand it is to meditate onit & allow it to fill your whole body
How else could you understand it?
From a book?


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Re: can anybody suggest some good literature on "OM" [Re: The Chronic]
    #12153228 - 03/06/10 10:06 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

uhhh by listening to people who know more then you & who convey there knowledge through books? ya man


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Re: can anybody suggest some good literature on "OM" [Re: soldatheero]
    #12153234 - 03/06/10 10:08 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)


If you want to learn something then books are good, for spirituality you dive into life
Spirituality is not something you learn, its something you remember


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Re: can anybody suggest some good literature on "OM" [Re: The Chronic]
    #12153283 - 03/06/10 10:22 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

nah.. its both


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Re: can anybody suggest some good literature on "OM" [Re: The Chronic]
    #12153287 - 03/06/10 10:23 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)



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Re: can anybody suggest some good literature on "OM" [Re: soldatheero]
    #12153414 - 03/06/10 10:53 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

"How can a finite mind realize an infinite reality without its own annihilation?"



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Re: can anybody suggest some good literature on "OM" [Re: The Chronic]
    #12153470 - 03/06/10 11:04 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

By seeking knowledge as an effort to expand oneself and a point is reached where one-self must be sacraficed in order to attain that knowledge because the higher knowledge requires intellectual anylsis of the self


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Re: can anybody suggest some good literature on "OM" [Re: soldatheero]
    #12153480 - 03/06/10 11:05 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Where is the Self to be found?


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Re: can anybody suggest some good literature on "OM" [Re: The Chronic]
    #12153491 - 03/06/10 11:08 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

everywhere but the problem is when the self occurs it wants to perceive its own self so it creates an idea or perception of itself


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Re: can anybody suggest some good literature on "OM" [Re: soldatheero]
    #12153499 - 03/06/10 11:09 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

What perceives this idea?


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Re: can anybody suggest some good literature on "OM" [Re: The Chronic]
    #12153522 - 03/06/10 11:12 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

the mind which is caused by the self so ultimately the self


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Re: can anybody suggest some good literature on "OM" [Re: soldatheero]
    #12153529 - 03/06/10 11:13 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

there is no mind :sun:


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Re: can anybody suggest some good literature on "OM" [Re: soldatheero]
    #12153541 - 03/06/10 11:16 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

I didn't really want mental answers to my questions
Something perceives the mind...


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Re: can anybody suggest some good literature on "OM" [Re: The Chronic]
    #12153566 - 03/06/10 11:20 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Chronic don't waste your time trying to awaken or teach me anything, some of the threads I create and the post i make, the question I ask, they are just way of getting people thinking


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    #12153577 - 03/06/10 11:21 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Im not trying to do anything im just a mirror


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Re: can anybody suggest some good literature on "OM" [Re: The Chronic]
    #12153582 - 03/06/10 11:22 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

hmm.. you are suppose to be a source


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    #12153641 - 03/06/10 11:32 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

see the ego is a mirror and the self is source.. the sun is a source the moon is a mirror


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    #12153659 - 03/06/10 11:35 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

This mirror has no surface

The thought 'I' is the ego


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Re: can anybody suggest some good literature on "OM" [Re: The Chronic]
    #12153706 - 03/06/10 11:47 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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This mirror has no surface



This is too abstract to mean anything to me.
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The thought 'I' is the ego



Agreed


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Re: can anybody suggest some good literature on "OM" [Re: soldatheero]
    #12165804 - 03/08/10 03:59 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Experience OM and learning about OM are 2 different things. To really understand/know OM you'd have to experience it.


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Re: can anybody suggest some good literature on "OM" [Re: adamlivesinCA]
    #12166915 - 03/08/10 07:21 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Some random things I learned about AUM and my experiences with it in meditation:

AUM is the fundamental frequency of reality, all manifestations are harmonic frequencies. 

AUM was chosen to represent this idea by the aryans due to the way the syllabary (alphabet of sorts) is arranged in sanskrit I think.  It is arranged on where on the pallet of the mouth the sound originates.  AUM, if spoken properly, vibrates the entire pallet and down the throat and on down into the feet. 

I once had a very interesting meditation experience using AUM as a mantra.  I began by actually vocalizing it.  But I didn't like the fact that it had to stop when I needed to inhale, so I internalized it and began repeating it mentally, but without a break in it.  It was one continuous vibration.  Eventually, every noise I heard was AUM, and it all began stacking like notes in a chord.  The hum of the air conditioner, the car noises arising and disappearing outside, my own breathing, etc.  It was all notes of the AUM chord, in different octaves. 
Here is where it got really strange, because it left the realm of sounds and even sight and feeling became part of this vibration.  I began perceiving everything as vibratory manifestations of AUM.  My brain reinterpreted every sense as AUM.
You can interpret the experience however you wish.  Those are just the factual details of the experience.

AUM is pretty cool!


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Re: can anybody suggest some good literature on "OM" [Re: jonathanseagull]
    #12166936 - 03/08/10 07:24 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

wow, sounds like an awesome experience :thumbup:


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    #12167948 - 03/08/10 10:27 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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Chronic don't waste your time trying to awaken or teach me anything, some of the threads I create and the post i make, the question I ask, they are just way of getting people thinking




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Re: can anybody suggest some good literature on "OM" [Re: deCypher]
    #12168553 - 03/09/10 12:48 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

he sees this as futile other then in ones own reality?


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    #12175436 - 03/10/10 01:31 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

:aum:


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    #12175437 - 03/10/10 01:32 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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Experience OM and learning about OM are 2 different things. To really understand/know OM you'd have to experience it.




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    #12178784 - 03/10/10 04:01 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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he sees this as futile other then in ones own reality?




If you think "you" cannot discover om, you will not discover om. If you realize we can all discover om, you can wake up and see the reality of things.

You guys ever hear about logos?

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The sophists used the term to mean discourse, and Aristotle applied the term to rational discourse. The Stoic philosophers identified the term with the divine animating principle pervading the universe. After Judaism came under Hellenistic influence, Philo (ca. 20 BC–40 AD) adopted the term into Jewish philosophy.[3] The Gospel of John identifies the Logos, through which all things are made, as divine (theos),[4] and further identifies Jesus as the incarnation of the Logos.

In current use, Logos may refer to any of these senses. Outside academic discussions, the Christian sense, identifying Jesus with the Word of God, is perhaps the most common use.


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IMHO om = logos. All religions talk about the same thing, its just you cant understand the meaning without the experience.


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    #12179158 - 03/10/10 05:24 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)



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    #12179188 - 03/10/10 05:28 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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Some random things I learned about AUM and my experiences with it in meditation:

AUM is the fundamental frequency of reality, all manifestations are harmonic frequencies. 

AUM was chosen to represent this idea by the aryans due to the way the syllabary (alphabet of sorts) is arranged in sanskrit I think.  It is arranged on where on the pallet of the mouth the sound originates.  AUM, if spoken properly, vibrates the entire pallet and down the throat and on down into the feet. 

I once had a very interesting meditation experience using AUM as a mantra.  I began by actually vocalizing it.  But I didn't like the fact that it had to stop when I needed to inhale, so I internalized it and began repeating it mentally, but without a break in it.  It was one continuous vibration.  Eventually, every noise I heard was AUM, and it all began stacking like notes in a chord.  The hum of the air conditioner, the car noises arising and disappearing outside, my own breathing, etc.  It was all notes of the AUM chord, in different octaves. 
Here is where it got really strange, because it left the realm of sounds and even sight and feeling became part of this vibration.  I began perceiving everything as vibratory manifestations of AUM.  My brain reinterpreted every sense as AUM.
You can interpret the experience however you wish.  Those are just the factual details of the experience.

AUM is pretty cool!






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Re: can anybody suggest some good literature on "OM" [Re: jonathanseagull]
    #12179266 - 03/10/10 05:39 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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Some random things I learned about AUM and my experiences with it in meditation:

AUM is the fundamental frequency of reality, all manifestations are harmonic frequencies. 

AUM was chosen to represent this idea by the aryans due to the way the syllabary (alphabet of sorts) is arranged in sanskrit I think.  It is arranged on where on the pallet of the mouth the sound originates.  AUM, if spoken properly, vibrates the entire pallet and down the throat and on down into the feet. 

I once had a very interesting meditation experience using AUM as a mantra.  I began by actually vocalizing it.  But I didn't like the fact that it had to stop when I needed to inhale, so I internalized it and began repeating it mentally, but without a break in it.  It was one continuous vibration.  Eventually, every noise I heard was AUM, and it all began stacking like notes in a chord.  The hum of the air conditioner, the car noises arising and disappearing outside, my own breathing, etc.  It was all notes of the AUM chord, in different octaves. 
Here is where it got really strange, because it left the realm of sounds and even sight and feeling became part of this vibration.  I began perceiving everything as vibratory manifestations of AUM.  My brain reinterpreted every sense as AUM.
You can interpret the experience however you wish.  Those are just the factual details of the experience.

AUM is pretty cool!





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Re: can anybody suggest some good literature on "OM" [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #12181615 - 03/11/10 02:48 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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oh shit. thats a cool song. hadn't heard that moody blues song before.  actually, i'm pretty sure i haven't heard anything by them before, but i've heard the name. guess its not my generation. i know i seen some moody blues with the led zeppelin and stuff in my uncles' box of old cassette tapes at my grandmas house.


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Re: can anybody suggest some good literature on "OM" [Re: oxalic32]
    #12204603 - 03/15/10 01:26 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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he sees this as futile other then in ones own reality?




If you think "you" cannot discover om, you will not discover om. If you realize we can all discover om, you can wake up and see the reality of things.

You guys ever hear about logos?

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The sophists used the term to mean discourse, and Aristotle applied the term to rational discourse. The Stoic philosophers identified the term with the divine animating principle pervading the universe. After Judaism came under Hellenistic influence, Philo (ca. 20 BC–40 AD) adopted the term into Jewish philosophy.[3] The Gospel of John identifies the Logos, through which all things are made, as divine (theos),[4] and further identifies Jesus as the incarnation of the Logos.

In current use, Logos may refer to any of these senses. Outside academic discussions, the Christian sense, identifying Jesus with the Word of God, is perhaps the most common use.


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IMHO om = logos. All religions talk about the same thing, its just you cant understand the meaning without the experience.




this is what i meant by waht i said.


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