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 Cloneufc
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 Re: The heat shock. A new version of the glorious PF tek  [Re: cyanara]
#12004152 - 02/10/10 08:02 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cold shocking is not a pinning trigger. Cold dunking is used to hydrate the cakes while keeping bacteria at bay. You can get flushes like this off of the regular PF tek. Your trying to reinvent the wheel.
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LeopardMan
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Re: The heat shock. A new version of the glorious PF tek [Re: Cloneufc]
#12004227 - 02/10/10 08:14 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Edited by LeopardMan (02/10/10 09:30 PM)
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Re: The heat shock. A new version of the glorious PF tek [Re: Cloneufc]
#12004241 - 02/10/10 08:16 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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The tek requires unnecessary steps. You'll get better flushes with hydrated cakes overall. The reason your still getting good flushes is that cubensis is real forgiving.
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LeopardMan
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Re: The heat shock. A new version of the glorious PF tek [Re: Cloneufc]
#12004278 - 02/10/10 08:22 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cold shocking is considered a pinning trigger. First mistake. I am not trying to reinvent the wheel, just sharing some ideas that need to be tested again and again. Second mistake.
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Cloneufc said:
The tek requires unnecessary steps.
Please explain.
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You'll get better flushes with hydrated cakes overall. The reason your still getting good flushes is that cubensis is real forgiving.
I believe you. Let me see your cakes then. 
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Edited by LeopardMan (02/10/10 08:23 PM)
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Cloneufc
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Re: The heat shock. A new version of the glorious PF tek [Re: LeopardMan]
#12004398 - 02/10/10 08:41 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cold shocking is NOT a pinning trigger. Dunking is to rehydrate the cake. Why do we use cold water? Because bacteria grows slower in cold water. I wouldnt expect you to know this after only a couple months.
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LeopardMan
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Re: The heat shock. A new version of the glorious PF tek [Re: Cloneufc]
#12004468 - 02/10/10 08:49 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cloneufc said:
Cold shocking is NOT a pinning trigger. Dunking is to rehydrate the cake. Why do we use cold water? Because bacteria grows slower in cold water. I wouldnt expect you to know this after only a couple months.
 I just posted a link where Hyphae says cold shocking is a pinning trigger! I am not saying I believe it is. I am just saying it was believed to be a pinning trigger. Anyway my tek is about heat shocking, not cold shocking. Furthermore you didn't answer my questions. 
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Re: The heat shock. A new version of the glorious PF tek [Re: LeopardMan]
#12004488 - 02/10/10 08:52 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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from what i've gathered form months and months of reading cold shocking is not a pinning trigger for cubes but it is for some other mushrooms..
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Re: The heat shock. A new version of the glorious PF tek [Re: biologys]
#12004540 - 02/10/10 08:59 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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So funny. I've never said cold shocking is a pinning trigger. I only said it was believed to be a pinning trigger. There is a link I posted some minutes ago, please read it. However the title of this tek is The heat shock.
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Re: The heat shock. A new version of the glorious PF tek [Re: LeopardMan]
#12004590 - 02/10/10 09:05 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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i agree, i've already said props to you for your tek :-P
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LeopardMan said:
Cold shocking is considered a pinning trigger. First mistake. I am not trying to reinvent the wheel, just sharing some ideas that need to be tested again and again. Second mistake.
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Cloneufc said:
The tek requires unnecessary steps.
Please explain.
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You'll get better flushes with hydrated cakes overall. The reason your still getting good flushes is that cubensis is real forgiving.
I believe you. Let me see your cakes then.
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Re: The heat shock. A new version of the glorious PF tek [Re: biologys]
#12004612 - 02/10/10 09:09 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I know, I know. Well, I am still waiting for his answers.
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Jordan2Dope
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Re: The heat shock. A new version of the glorious PF tek [Re: Cloneufc]
#12004729 - 02/10/10 09:29 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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LOL, Well, If I couldQuote:
Cloneufc said:
The tek requires unnecessary steps. You'll get better flushes with hydrated cakes overall. The reason your still getting good flushes is that cubensis is real forgiving.
If doing these "Unnecessary steps" will give me 80-90 grams a cake I'm all for it.
And he isn't reinventing the wheel.....simply making it better. Do we still use a shield in our FC to keep mist from hitting our cakes? hell no. Quit being so negative. When you post pics of 80-90 gram cakes I will say your right, This is a completly worthless tek, but until then......quit hatin.
Oh, I will also add that ALL of his cakes are from MS. He has been doing this for a while now just to make sure it wasn't a fluke.
Edited by Jordan2Dope (02/10/10 09:30 PM)
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Re: The heat shock. A new version of the glorious PF tek [Re: Jordan2Dope]
#12004900 - 02/10/10 09:57 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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LeopardMan said:
Cold shocking is considered a pinning trigger. First mistake. I am not trying to reinvent the wheel, just sharing some ideas that need to be tested again and again. Second mistake.
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Cloneufc said:
The tek requires unnecessary steps.
Please explain.
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You'll get better flushes with hydrated cakes overall. The reason your still getting good flushes is that cubensis is real forgiving.
I believe you. Let me see your cakes then.
"Cold shocking is considered a pinning trigger" LeopardMan
"So funny. I've never said cold shocking is a pinning trigger" LeopardMan
The need for a heatbomb is an unnecessary step.
I havent messed with cakes in years. I do bulk. I dont get the best pinset but I make up for it in pounds. Cakes are cute you get grams.
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Re: The heat shock. A new version of the glorious PF tek [Re: Cloneufc]
#12004952 - 02/10/10 10:04 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cloneufc said:
I havent messed with cakes in years. I do bulk. I dont get the best pinset but I make up for it in pounds. Cakes are cute you get grams.
truth.
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Re: The heat shock. A new version of the glorious PF tek [Re: prismism]
#12004963 - 02/10/10 10:05 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: The heat shock. A new version of the glorious PF tek [Re: myceleus_rex]
#12004967 - 02/10/10 10:06 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Btw, you know English much better than those Americans.
 
Not all yanks are monosyllabic Troglodytes, Missy!! 
Whut yall gabbin bout?
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Re: The heat shock. A new version of the glorious PF tek [Re: Montock]
#12004976 - 02/10/10 10:08 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Someone is saying this tek is pointless I think. Now they are bickering.
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Re: The heat shock. A new version of the glorious PF tek [Re: Jordan2Dope]
#12004978 - 02/10/10 10:08 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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bardleyrichard
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Re: The heat shock. A new version of the glorious PF tek [Re: myceleus_rex]
#12005380 - 02/10/10 11:14 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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LeopardMan said:Anyway why so aggressive? Did you break up with your girl? 
Nobody was being aggressive...
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LeopardMan said: I just posted a link where Hyphae says cold shocking is a pinning trigger! I am not saying I believe it is
That link is at least 3 years old. Hyphae said that, it's not current info.
Like somebody else in this thread has already said, "You're trying to re-invent the wheel."
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Re: The heat shock. A new version of the glorious PF tek [Re: myceleus_rex]
#12005412 - 02/10/10 11:18 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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To the attackers - a little background:
- LeopardMan has posted several threads recently showing ridiculously good pinsets on his cakes, despite them being MS.
- Many people, myself included, have been practically begging him to describe his unconventional pinning strategy
- He wanted to wait and keep gathering data to be sure he had discovered a technique that was repeatably successful.
- After more begging, he went ahead and wrote up this awesome and detailed tek, asking for input and asking for others to give it a shot to see if they could replicate his results
This tek has NOTHING TO DO WITH COLD SHOCKING.
This tek is about a pinning strategy that has (apparently) worked well on cakes, but hasn't been discussed on shroomery. (as far as i know)
You could conceivably apply the same tek to bulk substrates and increase MS yield considerably.
Why would you come into a great thread like this and start attacking the OP? Either be constructive or stfu. Tons of folks on the board love working with cakes, and others just love the intricacies of improving technique, efficiency, and yield. Just because you can easily crank out pounds in a bulk grow doesn't mean that everyone wants to do that.
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Re: The heat shock. A new version of the glorious PF tek [Re: gornyhuy]
#12005487 - 02/10/10 11:29 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm pretty sure nobody is "attacking" this thread or the OP. One poster just pointed out that it is common knowledge (after being on the shroomery for a bit) that cold shocking is not a pinning trigger.
The OP seemed to want to disprove the workings of cold shocking cold shocking, and he did, but it has already been done.
No attacking, just pointing that out.
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