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 Re: SPLIFF FANS -- what is the best tobacco for rollin' spliffs? [Re: koraks]
#11991110 - 02/08/10 07:28 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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i like this far better, however (it's from holland):
Hehe, Javaanse Jongens 
That, and this:
I second the Drum.
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Re: SPLIFF FANS -- what is the best tobacco for rollin' spliffs? [Re: dehoefasho]
#11993424 - 02/09/10 03:52 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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my cousin prefers American spirits for his spliff tobacco and moks. mok - a bong load packed with weed and tobacco. fucking gnarly as hell but gets u pretty damn high. i just cant understand doing it every time he smokes. he wont smoke it any other way.
in fact a few weeks ago he got bronchitis and im pretty sure it was the tobacco because he smoked a lot of moks over his birthday weekend. he also got ear infections in both of his ears, but i dont know if the tobacco smoke could of caused that.
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shivas.wisdom
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Re: SPLIFF FANS -- what is the best tobacco for rollin' spliffs? [Re: vfoolio]
#11993602 - 02/09/10 05:41 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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I smoked chillum, bongs, and spliffs with a mixture of hash and tobacco for a period of about 5 months. I never really enjoyed it, but it was the only easily available method around-- still I did not get addicted, and I have never smoked cigarettes before or after this 5 month period. I did have cravings, but my mind attributed them to ganja/hash-- so I would just smoke some of this minus the tobacco and feel fine now.
I found rolling tobacco was harshest, and normally would just use cigarettes. I would 'toast' them [warm up with a lighter] and then blow out from the filter, this nasty ass vapour would come out and then we would take the leftover tobacco and mix this with the hash/ganja. I'm not sure of any particular brands though.
I'm just gonna add that there has to be a better way to reduce anxiety than smoking tobacco. Drink a tea? Meditate? Not sure, really that is up to you, but tobacco is no medicine.
It also make ruins the flavour/high of marijuana, in my most honest and humble opinion.
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Re: SPLIFF FANS -- what is the best tobacco for rollin' spliffs? [Re: laserpig]
#11993820 - 02/09/10 06:59 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: SPLIFF FANS -- what is the best tobacco for rollin' spliffs? [Re: Lion]
#11994135 - 02/09/10 08:25 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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drum is yuk
i like american spirit
the black
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Re: SPLIFF FANS -- what is the best tobacco for rollin' spliffs? [Re: notapillow]
#11994148 - 02/09/10 08:27 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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notapillow said:
drum is yuk
i like american spirit
the black
lol cool. thats the exact type my cousin likes to use. unless.....
Michael. Is that you?!?! lol just playin.
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Re: SPLIFF FANS -- what is the best tobacco for rollin' spliffs? [Re: vfoolio]
#11994169 - 02/09/10 08:32 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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you found me
hows yer mums!
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Re: SPLIFF FANS -- what is the best tobacco for rollin' spliffs? [Re: notapillow]
#11994199 - 02/09/10 08:39 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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dead in an alley. yours?
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laserpig
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Re: SPLIFF FANS -- what is the best tobacco for rollin' spliffs? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#11994740 - 02/09/10 10:30 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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shivas.wisdom said:I'm just gonna add that there has to be a better way to reduce anxiety than smoking tobacco. Drink a tea? Meditate? Not sure, really that is up to you, but tobacco is no medicine.
Fair points -- but I'm not really going for tobacco as "medicine."
Of course meditation etcetera are wonderful, but that's not what I'm after here.
It's not even that weed "makes me anxious" and I need a way to stop it -- if that were the case, I'd probably just cut back my weed use to a couple times a month.
All this is about is that I've noticed a pattern:
Every time I smoke weed + tobacco, it's a more relaxing experience than just smoking weed.
I'm not looking to "calm my spirit" or open chakras or something, I just wanna get the most out of my weed -- and if the pattern I've observed holds true, then a little tobacco should fit the bill nicely.
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Re: SPLIFF FANS -- what is the best tobacco for rollin' spliffs? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#11995108 - 02/09/10 11:32 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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tobacco is no medicine.
It can be if used ritualistically and with a specific purpose.
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Re: SPLIFF FANS -- what is the best tobacco for rollin' spliffs? [Re: deCypher]
#11995300 - 02/09/10 11:57 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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good point ^
I was gonna bring that up earlier, actually -- as far as I know, tobacco is a staple medicine plant of almost all South American shaman groups.
When you see those videos of ahayuasca ceremonies, and the shaman is blowing smoke into the peoples' hair, on their skin, etc, that's tobacco.
Also, I recall McKenna describing a ritual for harvesting the B. Caapi, in which tobacco is blown on the plant as it is cut -- something to do with demonstrating respect for the vine.
What I think most people are not aware of, or if they are aware of it then they don't examine the implications, is just how different natural tobacco is from the synthetic product which goes into most cigarettes.
The "tobacco" in Camels, Marlboros, whatever, all that really is is a delivery platform for a medley of chemicals designed to maximize addiction and saleability.
You've got to modify the shit out of natural tobacco if you want people smoking a pack or two a day -- again, this is hearsay, not personal experience, but I do believe that natural tobacco is harsh enough, and unpleasant enough in large quantities, that it's nearly impossible to smoke that amount of it in one day. Your body just won't let you.
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Re: SPLIFF FANS -- what is the best tobacco for rollin' spliffs? [Re: laserpig]
#11995336 - 02/09/10 12:01 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Pure, natural, homegrown tobacco is just as addictive as the stuff in cigarettes. The latter will taste better to most smokers, but it's still the nicotine that does it.
Btw, tobacco most certainly can be used as a medicine, for example to treat gastrointestinal parasites.
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Re: SPLIFF FANS -- what is the best tobacco for rollin' spliffs? [Re: deCypher]
#11995363 - 02/09/10 12:05 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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tobacco is no medicine.
It can be if used ritualistically and with a specific purpose.
yeah that was truly an ignorent statement
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Re: SPLIFF FANS -- what is the best tobacco for rollin' spliffs? [Re: laserpig]
#11995436 - 02/09/10 12:16 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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This might sound nasty to some of you but i found a way to limit my blunt smoking and conserve weed by rolling spliffs with the cigar tobacco. I buy a Dutch or Game, and then use the tobacco for spliffs, and when it's all used up, I treat myself to a big'ole blunt.  I don't know how many other people would settle for smoking that shit though.
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Re: SPLIFF FANS -- what is the best tobacco for rollin' spliffs? [Re: svennevs22]
#11995461 - 02/09/10 12:18 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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This might sound nasty to some of you but i found a way to limit my blunt smoking and conserve weed by rolling spliffs with the cigar tobacco. I buy a Dutch or Game, and then use the tobacco for spliffs, and when it's all used up, I treat myself to a big'ole blunt. I don't know how many other people would settle for smoking that shit though.
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Re: SPLIFF FANS -- what is the best tobacco for rollin' spliffs? [Re: publicenemy1]
#11995472 - 02/09/10 12:19 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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haha. one day ill try it with a cuban
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Re: SPLIFF FANS -- what is the best tobacco for rollin' spliffs? [Re: svennevs22]
#11995530 - 02/09/10 12:26 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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hey man, whatever floats your boat. I respect the fact that you don't let the guts go to waste but then again they're called guts for a reason. I just can't imagine inhaling the smoke from that tobacco, they put the bottom of the barrel in those cigars.
As stated before, use Bali Shag, Drum, or any of the other fine blends mentioned, they're pretty breakin cheap.
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Re: SPLIFF FANS -- what is the best tobacco for rollin' spliffs? [Re: koraks]
#11995635 - 02/09/10 12:39 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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koraks said:
Pure, natural, homegrown tobacco is just as addictive as the stuff in cigarettes. The latter will taste better to most smokers, but it's still the nicotine that does it.
Nicotine is of course addictive in its own right, but I distinctly recall being informed that mainstream cigarette tobacco is treated so as to get as much nicotine as possible out of it upon being burned -- whatever additives they use, the effect is to increase the lungs' absorption of nicotine, leading to a quicker rush and therefore a stronger addiction potential.
I don't know for a fact that this process makes it significantly more likely for a person to get addicted, but presumably the cigarette companies think it does -- and they're the ones who've done the research.
Put differently: if the cigarette companies thought they could hook you just as easily with untreated tobacco, I highly doubt they'd go to the trouble of treating it.
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Re: SPLIFF FANS -- what is the best tobacco for rollin' spliffs? [Re: notapillow]
#11997341 - 02/09/10 04:48 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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tobacco is no medicine.
It can be if used ritualistically and with a specific purpose.
yeah that was truly an ignorent statement
Yea I'll take it back. I can admit I have a bias against tobacco. I did some a little research into the medicinal uses though, and I think I'll still come to a similar conclusion.
Tobacco does have some medicinal use, but I would say in most occasions the negative aspects inherent to tobacco will outweigh medicinal benefits-- especially when considered that most tobacco used is not natural/organic but full of new chemicals, and that we have other methods [with less side effects] to treat the same things.
So I'll revise my statement to this: tobacco has a limited medicinal use, and generally should not be the first choice of medicine-- or used as a short term treatment only.
I won't deny tobaccos use spiritually though.
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Re: SPLIFF FANS -- what is the best tobacco for rollin' spliffs? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#11997428 - 02/09/10 04:59 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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shivas.wisdom said:the negative aspects inherent to tobacco will outweigh medicinal benefits-- especially when considered that most tobacco used is not natural/organic but full of new chemicals
i'm not trying to start any kind of beef -- actually by and large i totally agree with your assessment of tobacco -- i just wanted to raise the following point:
claiming that tobacco itself is unduly harmful, because often it's filled with nasty chemicals, is about as sensible as claiming that weed is dangerous because sometimes it gets laced with PCP
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