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 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists are Terrorists!  1
#11909602 - 01/27/10 03:29 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Jan 26, 2010
Sunstein and Beck Fire Shots Across Our Bow
— Gregg Roberts
Officials, journalists, activists say 9/11 truth activists pose a violent threat; call for secret government disruption of our work – or worse
Note: This article addresses issues that arguably lie outside AE911Truth's mission. We consider such a departure to be justified in this case, because the paper by Sunstein and Vermeule specifically mentioned [Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth] as the targets of its advocated "infiltration," the 16% of Americans who responded to a Scripps-Howard Poll in 2006 that it was either very likely or somewhat likely that "the collapse of the twin towers in New York was aided by explosives secretly planted in the two
buildings" (Conspiracy Theories, p. 2).
You know you're getting somewhere on an issue of paramount public importance when your opponents stop making fun of you and start describing you as a threat to the established order, and supporting interference with or the elimination of your First Amendment rights, and even accuse you of being a terrorist.
Background 1: Weitzman's Defamation
One of the first shots in the threat campaign was fired just over two years ago by Mark Weitzman of the Simon Wiesenthal Center (to which we responded).
Testifying in November 2007 before a House subcommittee of the Homeland Security committee, Weitzman portrayed AE911Truth in what could be construed as part of a jihadist campaign in support of "violent radicalization," " homegrown terrorism," and "ideologically based violence." The words Weitzman intoned as our homepage appeared in his presentation – "Soon, soon, soon, the attack on Manhattan" – have never appeared on our website. Alas, anyone testifying before Congress has absolute immunity against being sued for defamation. All of this is a sour irony, given Weitzman's work as an "anti-defamation" activist.
COINTELPRO Revisited – by Harvard Law Professors
In early 2008, Cass Sunstein and Adrian Vermeule published a preliminary draft of a Harvard Law / University of Chicago Law working paper entitled "Conspiracy Theories". The paper has become "the talk of the town" in the 9/11 Truth community. The references at the end of this article are only a small sample of what's available through Internet search engines.
According to the abstract:
Those who subscribe to conspiracy theories may create serious risks, including risks of violence… [T]he best response consists in cognitive infiltration of extremist groups.
COINTELPRO, the FBI's 15-year Counter Intelligence Program initiated by FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover himself in 1956, illegally targeted a wide spectrum of citizen activist groups for infiltration and disruption. The openness of Sunstein and Vermeule's call for such a program to be resurrected supports what many in the 9/11 Truth movement have suspected for many years: that government money is being used to pay people, posing as "Truth" activists, to knowingly promote false information and "increase factionalism."
In the body of the paper, Sunstein and Vermeule waste no time explaining the danger of 9/11 alternative conspiracy theories:
The existence of both domestic and foreign conspiracy theories … is no trivial matter, posing real risks to the government's antiterrorism policies… [p. 3]
Even if only a small fraction of adherents to a particular conspiracy theory act on the basis of their beliefs, that small fraction may be enough to cause serious harms. Consider the Oklahoma City bombing, whose perpetrators shared a complex of conspiratorial beliefs about the federal government. Many who shared their beliefs did not act on them, but a few actors did, with terrifying consequences. James Fearon and others argue that technological change has driven down the costs of delivering attacks with weapons of mass destruction, to the point where even a small group can pose a significant threat. If so, and if only a tiny fraction of believers act on their beliefs, then as the total population with conspiratorial beliefs grows, it becomes nearly inevitable that action will ensue. [p. 17]
Thus, the absurd line of "logic": Truthers might have WMDs, or might get them someday! Therefore we must act decisively now!
In a different sense of "wasting no time," the authors do not mention any evidence cited by 9/11 skeptics in support of their beliefs. Where the correctness of the official story of 9/11 is not merely assumed as a backdrop, it is supported by fallacious arguments. One is a brief reductio ad absurdum suggesting that distrust in the official story of 9/11 would require an unreasonably wide and deep distrust of all the authorities that support the official story – as if people could not reasonably agree with authorities on many things, while disagreeing with them on a few.
Glenn Beck
In 2009, based on undisclosed evidence (or perhaps none at all), Glenn Beck claimed that Holocaust Museum gunman James W. Von Brunn was a 9/11 conspiracy theorist, thus associating in the public mind questioning the official story of 9/11 with violence and anti-Semitism. Just a few days ago, Beck repeated the association between "9/11 Truthers" and violence":
"Now, here's why the president is in trouble:
Van Jones was a 9/11 Truther. He thought government was capable of murdering thousands of U.S. citizens. Put yourself in the mindset of a 9/11 Truther. You have access to the president of the United States. You think he's now joined the cabal that is capable of murdering people and he promised you a revolution.
Do you think it's safe to have that individual around the president? Are you comfortable with that?"
(http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/35304/)
What Sunstein and Vermeule did for the ivory tower, Beck does for average-Joe Faux "conservatives."
Background 2: Theodore Olson's Defense of Official Lying
Avid students of 9/11 Truth will remember that Theodore (Ted) Olson, solicitor general under George W. Bush, was the original and apparently only source of the story that boxcutters had been used by the terrorists to take over Flight 77. According to David Ray Griffin's 9/11 Contradictions, Ted Olson has flip-flopped twice on the details, and his account is contradicted by FBI evidence presented in the Zacharias Moussaoui trial . Olson told the Supreme Court in 2002, "It's easy to imagine an infinite number of situations where the government might legitimately give out false information" (http://www.opednews.com/populum/diarypage.php?did=6837). And yet, one of the many thousands of laws that provide US and state governments with endless pretexts for locking people up is USC § 1001, known as the False Statements statute. This statute makes it a crime to lie to any federal official or agent, "even if the lie is harmless and does not interfere with an investigation." More irony: In a country where our government is supposed to be "of, by, and for the People," it is a crime for citizens to lie to their government, yet it is legal for the government to lie to its citizens.
In fact, it is apparently a career-enhancing move for highly placed people to call for such deception. Olson does not seem to have displeased his masters with his 2002 remark, having been seriously considered for high judgeships and the post of attorney general. Sunstein was just appointed by President Obama to head the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs. And there seems no end in sight to Beck's "journalism" career at Fox, despite his attacks on the First Amendment rights of 9/11 activists and his split-personality remarks for and against various positions espoused by the libertarian Right.
Those who truly care about obtaining a real 9/11 investigation had better do whatever they are going to do to help make that happen, before those who run the Land of the Free make it any more difficult . We have been warned.
References
A Cass Sunstein Primer
http://www.infowars.com/a-cass-sunstein-primer/
Cass Sunstein's Conspiracy Theory: Introduction
http://the-classic-liberal.com/cass-sunstein-conspiracy-theory-introduction/
Top Obama czar: Infiltrate all 'conspiracy theorists'
Presidential adviser wrote about crackdown on expressing opinions
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=121884
The Creepy Mindset Behind Cass Sunstein's Creepy Proposal
http://lewrockwell.com/greenwald/greenwald55.html
Obama confidant's spine-chilling proposal
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/01/15/sunstein/index.html
OBAMA'S SCARY PAL, CASS SUNSTEIN
http://prorev.com/2009/07/obamas-scary-pal-cass-sunstein.html
Cass Sunstein's despicable ideas on regulating the internet
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/07/cass_sunsteins_despicable_idea.html
The Internet is making us stupid
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/11/07/sunstein/
Cass Sunstein for Souter slot?
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=96775
Sunstein's Dangerous Advice to Obama
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/7/19/105134/542
RESPONSE from Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth
AE911Truth Response to Mark Weitzman of the Simon Wiesenthal Center
— Editor
This official response was e-mailed and mailed via the U.S. Post Office to Mark Weitzman (certified) and the noted individuals in the CC.
Thank you to all for your support regarding this matter.
December 8, 2007
Mr. Mark Weitzman
Simon Wiesenthal Center
1399 South Roxbury Drive
Los Angeles, California 90035
310.553.9036
310.553.4521 (fax)
50 East 42nd Street, Suite 1600
New York, NY 10017
212.370.0320
212.883.0895 (fax)
Via: Certified US Mail & Email:
Re: SWC testimony 11/6/07 before the Homeland Security
Subcommittee on Intelligence, Information Sharing, and Terrorism Risk Assessment
Dear Mr. Weitzman,
Thank you for responding in your email form letter to a couple of the many important concerns raised recently by other members of the 9/11 Truth & Justice Movement to your presentation at the House Committee on Homeland Security - "Using The Web As A Weapon: The Internet As A Tool For Violent Radicalization And Homegrown Terrorism" on 11/6/07 before Representative Jane Harman. Your clarifications, however, offer no correction or retraction for the irresponsible and false statement "Incubator of 9/11 Conspiracies and Disinformation" the heading that you placed over our science-based website "AE911Truth.org" – Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, which bears my name, Richard Gage, AIA, an architect of 20 years.
Also, you made no apology, explanation, or correction for your words which you stated precisely during the time in which you displayed the 911sharethetruth.com and AE911Truth.org websites:
"And then finally we end with a site that literally talks about the bombing of – 'soon, soon, soon the attack on Manhattan'."
This part of your presentation can be reviewed at the 45:50 mark in the video located at:
http://homeland.edgeboss.net/wmedia/homeland/chs/internetterror.wvx
The C-SPAN Archive version of the video is in two parts. The sentence above occurs at the 28:20 mark of the second portion of C-SPAN's version.
I am aware of no page on our site ever having contained this sentence or any sentence like it. Our staff has researched the matter, and the phrase appears nowhere on our site, nor was it found by an internet search. Curiously enough, we find the phrase only when you are being quoted.
The clear implication is that our website promotes "conspiracies", "disinformation", and – since you sandwiched it between violent Jihad militant training type websites – "terrorism" too. A brief review of our website shows that it simply contains science-based facts and questions regarding the destruction of the WTC Twin Towers and Building 7 – as well as a petition listing over 800 signatories, including more than 230 well-respected architects and engineers who are demanding a real investigation of these building "collapses" based upon the clear evidence presented in our website.
For your information, since you have obviously not taken the time to review the website before defaming it, this evidence of the controlled demolition of the three WTC high-rises includes careful documentation of these facts:
• The destruction occurred with rapid onset, at virtually free-fall speed, and with radial symmetry.
• One hundred eighteen first responders described hearing, seeing and feeling explosions and seeing flashes of light at the onset of destruction.
• The concrete floors were almost completely pulverized into dust and gravel.
• The structural steel framework was largely dismembered into shippable lengths. Much of it was hurled outside the Twin Towers' perimeters, some as far as 500 feet away.
• Tons of molten metal were seen by FDNY and others, and was described as "flowing like lava" for weeks after 9/11, yet its existence was denied by NIST.
• FEMA documented structural steel samples showing evidence of rapid oxidation, sulfidation, intergranular melting, and partial evaporation – features which occur only with temperatures at least 1,000° F. hotter than office or jet fuel fires.
• Proven chemical evidence of thermate, an incendiary material which produces molten iron as its by-product, found on the columns and beams, previously molten metal, and iron-rich micro-spheres in the dust by Dr. Steven Jones (and corroborated by the USGS but never explained).
These features are characteristic of controlled demolitions, and not office or jet fuel fires. Of course, the 47-story WTC Building 7 was not even hit by an airplane and yet its unnatural destruction exhibits all the same features – except it imploded into its own footprint in 6.5 seconds!
Maybe now you understand why our membership of architects, engineers, and other building professionals, who are all calling for a science-based forensic investigation – which has yet to be performed – is growing exponentially! We ask SWC for nothing less than the tolerance it espouses so well.
And yet you have made the egregiously false statements noted above in public, on television, and to Congress about us. These statements have the clear potential to inflict serious damage to my reputation, my standing in the community, and my career, as well as each of our 230 architects and engineers and other distinguished members.
I and the members of AE911Truth.org therefore demand a retraction of these false, defamatory, outrageous and insulting statements that you made in the scope of your duties at the SWC. This retraction must be thorough and exculpatory, exceeding the scope of your original publication(s), lest it be ineffective and meaningless. We at AE911Truth.org demand a formal apology from SWC for having displayed our website at all in your Homeland Security presentation.
Your timely apology must be sent to (and aired on) C-Span, to Rep. Jane Harman, and all congressional representatives and others in attendance. It must be posted on the SWC. And it must explain your motives in making the publication and the retraction.
Our constitutional republic was founded upon the fundamental right to ask questions, demand answers, and to seek truth and justice. This is all that we in the 9/11 truth movement are seeking. Of all people and of all organizations, you and the Simon Wiesenthal Center, who highlight the virtue of tolerance, should be honoring our right to ask these questions, not branding us as terrorists. Your behavior reeks of the McCarthyism of the 1950's, and is totally unacceptable to me, our members, and all Americans who cherish the first Amendment.
Regarding the anti-Semitism noted in your email form letter: We, too, abhor bigotry in all its forms, and have distanced ourselves from those few who engage in it. But anti-Semitism has nothing to do with our website or the science of the destruction of the three WTC high-rise buildings on 9/11 to which it is dedicated. The scientific method is non-partisan, apolitical, and a transparent process. Scientists defend their positions in public based on accepted, defensible processes. While reports put forth by the government and others have labored in vain to explain away the massive scientific evidence for controlled demolition left behind in the rubble, the witness testimony, and the videos, we at AE911Truth.org have simply collected, assembled, and structured it in a way which enables everyone to understand it easily.
Simon Wiesenthal was a paragon for seeking the truth, however hard and difficult it might be. The SWC should be honoring our right to publish technical information and encourage fact-based forensic inquiry into the three largest structural failures in U.S. history – not branding us inciters of terrorism.
Tolerance arises from understanding, and understanding from direct experience. In this light we would like to meet with you and your board and staff to present to you the specific concerns documented on AE911Truth.org regarding the basic science of these "collapses". We would like to learn from you what you perceive as so threatening so as to deem it necessary to "warn" Congress about us. By understanding each other's concerns, we will strengthen our mutual resolve to work toward the creation of a more truthful and tolerant society.
We reserve all rights, and communicate to you without any prejudice to any rights. We are ready to move forward. Please let us know the best time to meet. We can assemble in your New York or Los Angeles office.
Sincerely,
[signature]
Richard Gage, AIA, Architect
For the 800 members of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth
(signed copy to Commission)
cc:
Jane Harman (CA-36)
Dave Reichert (WA-8)
Bennie Thompson (MS-2)
Mike Honda, (CA-15)
Dianne Feinstein (CA)
Barbara Boxer (CA)
full articles: http://www.ae911truth.org/info/154 & http://www.ae911truth.org/info/23
P.S. - Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth (www.AE911Truth.org) now has 1015+ licensed, registered, architects and engineers which are peacefully calling for a new 9/11 investigation.
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Abrahm
Spreading Psytrance & Love in the Midwest USA
Expand Your Consciousness. 
 9/11 Challenge: Explain the Evidence http://pookzta.blogspot.com
Edited by PookztA (02/04/10 01:11 AM)
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 Re: 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists are a Terrorist Threat! (moved) [Re: PookztA]
#11909608 - 01/27/10 03:31 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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 This thread was moved from The Pub.
Reason:
new forum
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Re: 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists are a Terrorist Threat! (moved) [Re: Prisoner#1]
#11912489 - 01/27/10 05:17 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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ok cool i am glad there is a conspiracy theory forum now  hopefully people find out about it 
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Re: 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists are a Terrorist Threat! [Re: PookztA]
#11914747 - 01/27/10 11:03 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey Everyone,
Sorry about the flurry of new posts in this forum, but I just wanted to transfer over posts I have made in The Pub over to this more appropriate place. Now that they are almost all transferred here, I will drastically reduce my posting. I am not trying to spam the forum, I just wanted to transfer my threads here since they belong in this forum and not in The Pub.
Thanks for understanding why I posted so much today, now that I am done it will no longer continue.
Thanks for your patience,
-Abe
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Re: 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists are a Terrorist Threat! [Re: PookztA]
#11920083 - 01/28/10 09:08 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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your posts are greatly appericiated there well thought out and there are no holes for the sheeple to poke holes in if they read through the entirity of your posts
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Re: 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists are a Terrorist Threat! [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#11921682 - 01/29/10 01:52 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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KroniclyHigh said:
your posts are greatly appericiated there well thought out and there are no holes for the sheeple to poke holes in if they read through the entirity of your posts
thanks a lot Kronic just trying to alarm people enough that they go do their own research and make up their own minds.
someone blindly adopting my beliefs is just as bad as someone blindly rejecting them. it is important for people to think for themselves and keep a skeptical mind, but an open-mind, during the process.
i don't claim to know what really happened on the day of 9/11, but i do know that there are too many holes in the 9/11 Commission Report to ignore, so we need a new investigation, because of the mega-wars and terrorist 'threat' that has resulted from 9/11.
thanks Kronic,
-Abe
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Re: 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists are a Terrorist Threat! [Re: PookztA]
#11958644 - 02/04/10 01:10 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I am a peaceful person with a Biology degree and soon an M.D. degree (3.25 years to go). my evidence-based beliefs and my peaceful questions do not make me a terrorist threat!
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Abrahm
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Re: 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists are Terrorists! [Re: PookztA]
#11966919 - 02/05/10 08:16 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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My theory I came up with a couple of years ago is that conspiracy theorists will be linked with terrorism so they can be discredited and controlled with physical restraint if nessacery.
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#11967634 - 02/05/10 11:34 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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how would one go about distinguishing a mental patient with paranoid schizophrenia from a "conspiracy theorist" ?
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Re: 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists are a Terrorist Threat! [Re: PookztA]
#11968134 - 02/05/10 12:55 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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PookztA said:
I am a peaceful person with a Biology degree and soon an M.D. degree (3.25 years to go). my evidence-based beliefs and my peaceful questions do not make me a terrorist threat!
i do not think you are a terrorist, or any such agent provacetuer.
as an honest question, do use the same methods of documentation, evidence evaluation, data collection, objective probability prediction in both your medical studies and your conspiracy studies?
there are many, let us say, medical techniques that medical science calls false, quackery etc. do you also believe in non-consensus medical diagnosis or treatment?
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Re: 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists are Terrorists! [Re: nice1]
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@nice1: Wow it is crazy that you predicted that, because now it seems that people are trying to convince Homeland Security that peaceful 9/11 conspiracy theorists are somehow terrorists, so that they can use government and military force to break up our peaceful organizations... how long ago did you predict this? I don't think this is going to happen because people are aware of it and getting involved, and if you read AE911Truth's reply, it is very professional and they sent it to many congressmen and women. I have faith that this movement will continue to rise as long as it remains peaceful, evidence-based, and truthful / honest.
@b0red5tiff: Well, paranoid schizophrenics hear their thoughts and attribute those thoughts to an outside source, thinking that their mind is being controlled or that someone is injecting words into their head, i.e. hearing voices. Unlike Schizophrenics, truth-seekers and intelligent, critical-thinking conspiracy 'theorists', like myself, use evidence to base their beliefs and decisions on. For example, there is little or no evidence suggesting that the world is run by an evil reptilian alien race, so I do NOT believe in that wild theory. I admit it could be possible, but the chances of that are extremely tiny, so I do NOT believe that reptilian aliens control the government and economy. In contrast, there is an overwhelming body of scientific evidence, credible testimonies, and undeniable video and photographic footage, which contradicts the official story of 9/11 known as the '9/11 Commission Report'. Because of all this verifiable evidence, I do indeed believe that we were not told the entire truth regarding 9/11, and that a new Investigation is needed, one that is independent from the Bush Administration, one which will require suspects and witnesses to testify in a court-of-law, under oath, while being recorded, with a public audience. The 9/11 Commission Report did not do those things, therefore I believe that we need a new investigation. Do you see the difference between paranoid gullible thinking and evidence-based thinking? Evidence-based thinking and science is the way to go. That is why I chose to study Biology, and I have a B.S. in Biology with a focus in Neurobiology and a Chemistry minor, and I am currently attending medical school to acquire an M.D. degree in approximately 3.5 years.
@novumorganum: I rely on evidence to formulate my beliefs. Even when there is strong evidence for something, and even if I believe in it, I still keep an open mind to the possibility that new evidence could come out that disproves or contradicts my current beliefs. Keeping an open mind is key, and thinking critically / not being gullible is also key. So, as you might have suspected, I do indeed consider many forms of alternative and complementary medicine that many traditional medical students and doctors do not consider. For example, Music has been thought to have positive health effects on the human body and mind for a quite some time, but no scientific studies have ever been done to see if Music truly does affect our health. Within the last few years though, a study was finally conducted, by a dual-degree PhD / MD doctor and scientist from Harvard, named Dr. Claudius Conrad. His study found that when post-surgery patients listened to classical music, or more idealy, their favorite kind of music, that many positive health effects did indeed result. Some of the positive health effects included: a reduced amount of pain killers needed to make the patient feel comfortable with their post-surgery pain in patients that listened to their favorite music for 1+ hours, in comparison to patients that were not listening to the music. Another finding showed that Blood Pressure and Pulse Rate were significantly lower in post-surgery patients that were listening to music for 1+ hours, in comparison to non-music-listening patients. Another finding of the study showed that certain stress-triggered molecules were found in significantly less quantities in the patients who listened to music, suggesting that they were enduring less physical and mental stress during their recovery thanks to the music. Because of this evidence, I do believe that music truly helps patients to heal more naturally and more effectively, although I do admit that more research and more evidence is needed. Regardless, I do plan on perscribing music to my patients to help them maintain a healthy and happy life, and to help them get over sicknesses faster, recover from accidents faster, etc. Of course, the music must be used in combination with the standard treatment procedure, as music alone will not completely heal someone. Most doctors these days would think I am crazy for believing in the healing power of music, but that is most likely because they have not looked at the scientific evidence that I have. So yes, I do keep an open mind about medical practice, as well as keeping an open mind about the possibility of corporate and government corruption.
Here is a link to a video describing the study, the methods, and the findings done by Dr. Claudius Conrad.
Music In Medicine - Dr. Claudius Conrad Ph.D / M.D. (5 mins)
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Abrahm
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Edited by PookztA (02/05/10 10:17 PM)
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Re: 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists are Terrorists! [Re: PookztA]
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thank you for the thoughtful response. i, too, practice a lot of non-traditional treatments/prevention etc. also, i've seen music therapy in action; the last school i taught at (before my current position) added a musical therapy minor to the pre-med and nursing programs.
i also believe corporate corruption of our government is a great threat.
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Re: 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists are Terrorists! [Re: b0red5tiff]
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b0red5tiff said:
how would one go about distinguishing a mental patient with paranoid schizophrenia from a "conspiracy theorist" ?
A full blown schizo most likely would not have the concentration to develop an intelligent theory.
I think all people experience "schizophrenic" tendencies though, some more than others...But goddamn... "schizophrenia" is a WHOLE other subject, that would take a while to discuss. A very interesting subject...
I most definitely am for 9/11 truth. It is obvious to me as well anyone that has any sense that has analyzed the subject, that there is most def something more to that day than the media and the commission reports told us.
I mean shit you have hundreds of physicists around the world lecturing for 9/11 truth.
The fucking designer of the buildings said the towers could of taken MULTIPLE jet collisions and still not do what the towers did that day.
THEY TURNED TO DUST, its such an obvious demolition.
I think it can now be presented as scientific fact that all 3 buildings were brought down with some kind of thermite explosives.
The REAL question is...WHO did it? and WHY?
Edited by TeamAmerica (02/06/10 11:20 PM)
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Re: 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists are Terrorists! [Re: nice1]
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My theory I came up with a couple of years ago is that conspiracy theorists will be linked with terrorism so they can be discredited and controlled with physical restraint if nessacery.
That was a pretty obvious one...
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Re: 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists are Terrorists! [Re: TeamAmerica]
#11980277 - 02/07/10 09:01 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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how would one go about distinguishing a mental patient with paranoid schizophrenia from a "conspiracy theorist" ?
A full blown schizo most likely would not have the concentration to develop an intelligent theory.
I think all people experience "schizophrenic" tendencies though, some more than others...But goddamn... "schizophrenia" is a WHOLE other subject, that would take a while to discuss. A very interesting subject...
I most definitely am for 9/11 truth. It is obvious to me as well anyone that has any sense that has analyzed the subject, that there is most def something more to that day than the media and the commission reports told us.
I mean shit you have hundreds of physicists around the world lecturing for 9/11 truth.
The fucking designer of the buildings said the towers could of taken MULTIPLE jet collisions and still not do what the towers did that day.
THEY TURNED TO DUST, its such an obvious demolition.
I think it can now be presented as scientific fact that all 3 buildings were brought down with some kind of thermite explosives.
The REAL question is...WHO did it? and WHY?
for the schizo there are also evidence abound to confirm his convictions.
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My theory I came up with a couple of years ago is that conspiracy theorists will be linked with terrorism so they can be discredited and controlled with physical restraint if nessacery.
and yes thats pretty obvious, intelligence agencies and power structures have used that method since who knows when. MI6 coined the term "useful idiot".
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Re: 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists are Terrorists! [Re: PookztA]
#13268901 - 09/30/10 10:38 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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You are a terrorist for not sticking up for the truth in this country. It is fact, there are many un answered questions about 9/11, and most americans know this, if there are unanswered questions, it indicated the government has something to hide... not mentioning 60% of the 9.11 comission resigned.
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Re: 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists are Terrorists! [Re: PookztA]
#13269288 - 09/30/10 12:34 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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thanks, Pookzta
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Re: 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists are Terrorists! [Re: Grav]
#13279044 - 10/02/10 12:07 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Other government documents link, environmental activists, animal rights activists, constitutionalists, and the funniest of all anti war activists.
Wouldn't an ANTI WAR activist be the furthest thing from a terrorist? It's ridiculous to say the least.
But it really does (in my mind) go to show you that the patriot act was meant for the American population in large part (but of course to get it passes they said it wouldn't be used on Americans...this has been shown to be false in many cases where it was used in cases that had NOTHING to do with terrorism) maybe that's why they are labeling all opponents as terrorists...
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Re: 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists are Terrorists! [Re: JackthaTripper]
#13279103 - 10/02/10 12:29 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wouldn't an ANTI WAR activist be the furthest thing from a terrorist?
no... thats exactly what they want you to think...
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Re: 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists are Terrorists! [Re: JackthaTripper]
#13279258 - 10/02/10 01:14 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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All opponents? Hardly. As far as anti-war terrorists it isn't that hard to find some:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Underground_%28organization%29
That fits the bill quite nicely.
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