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 Doc_T
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 Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: schonta]
#11978020 - 02/06/10 07:23 PM (2 years, 8 days ago) |
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eBay Shop for: Salvia, Morning Glory Seeds, Ayahuasca, San Pedro, Herbal "Incense"
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Vibes
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Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: Doc_T]
#11978061 - 02/06/10 07:31 PM (2 years, 8 days ago) |
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My best wishes go out to him and his family.
This injustice will not go unnoticed.
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mushroomtip
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Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: Vibes]
#11978272 - 02/06/10 08:08 PM (2 years, 7 days ago) |
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“These are remedies. These are items used in religious ceremonies that are legal, that can be put to illegal purposes,”
This is an interesting statement by Sloan's lawyer. If the charges
stick, I think this could be a very hard but important part of his
strategy in winning the case. It could be beneficial to everyone
if it was resolved in Sloan's favor.
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Seeds and cuttings for trade.
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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: NWlight]
#11978276 - 02/06/10 08:09 PM (2 years, 7 days ago) |
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I don't understand how you can arrest someone for something that isn't illegal?
I am not convinced that mescaline and DMT are currently legal.
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What i don't understand is how the police are so certain the products BBB were selling were for the purpose of making and selling drugs when it has this disclaimer on the site? If this guy gets sentenced it will be out of pure corruption.
I don't see what difference the disclaimer makes. Drugs are still illegal even if you plan to use them as decoration.
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I don't understand how they can make a plant or a toad illegal.
What..?
Congress can ban whatever they want due to the commerce clause.
People are illegal too because they are containers of DMT. If you weigh over a few grams you would be looking at a distribution of DMT charge because the weight of the container is added to the weight of the drug.
If you don't like the laws, change them.
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who has the biggest wallet 
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psychedelicSLUG
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Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: dr_gonz]
#11978302 - 02/06/10 08:14 PM (2 years, 7 days ago) |
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dr_gonz said:
who has the biggest wallet
Hahaha thats what im wondering...
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SweetZombieJesus
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Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: psychedelicSLUG]
#11978387 - 02/06/10 08:32 PM (2 years, 7 days ago) |
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I think that's absolute bullshit that the container is added to the charge. I can understand charging someone for the amount of substance, but that is just ridiculous abuse of the terms of law. What if I just kept it in the ashtray of my car, would I, could I be charged for 3000 lbs, .5 grams of DMT?
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dr_gonz
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SweetZombieJesus said:
I think that's absolute bullshit that the container is added to the charge. I can understand charging someone for the amount of substance, but that is just ridiculous abuse of the terms of law. What if I just kept it in the ashtray of my car, would I, could I be charged for 3000 lbs, .5 grams of DMT?
I certainly hope so!!! SINNER!
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convulsions
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Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: Doc_T]
#11978456 - 02/06/10 08:44 PM (2 years, 7 days ago) |
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This may be setback on the road to our ultimate goal. (legalization of soft drugs for informed adults) But we have to realise that the DEA is a fish swimming upstream. If they bust more people prices go up. The cash incentive makes more people start cultivating. We may lose one a front occasionally, but societal change is always going to follow us. Look at the 50's they had propaganda ad's saying that pot would turn you into a murderous sex maniac, no joke. But hell, half the cops nowadays have toked. Most of them don't give a shit unless you are a violent criminal, big time dealer, or putting others in danger with your intoxication. (like driving down the highway stoned) If your just sitting on your couch smoking a joint and a cop is walking his dog and sees you, he probably isn't going to do shit.
I think sale of salvia should be prohibited to minors (even though it probably scares quite a few virgin psychedelic users away from drugs because of its intensity). Why? Because it sets a precedent. Then some stuck up their ass conservative cant make the "Its for the children!" argument.
The DEA may be able to control LSD or MDMA, or even meth if they just banned psuedoephedrine(they really should, that is the only good solution to the meth problem) They can control those because they require a chemist in a lab to make the end result or the ingredients. But these organisms have been here for millions of years and will be here for millions of years after we are all gone. You cant fight nature, trying to control spread of a plant or fungus is like trying to douse a fire with gasoline. Once that dragon gets out of tropical forests and into the drug scene, you cant put it back into pandora's box.
Even society supports us. 52% of Americans believe we should legalise cannabis, up from just 30 percent in the early 70's. First it is going to be pot, then cactus and shrooms, lsd will follow. It might not be this year, or even this decade, but we will see the day when there is no need for us to hide. We may have lost this one, But for every grower you take down, for every supplier you bust, two more will take his place.
Edited by convulsions (02/06/10 08:44 PM)
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Alan Rockefeller
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I think that's absolute bullshit that the container is added to the charge.
I agree, however the law clearly states that they should charge you with the full weight of the container.
If you put a gram of coke into an olympic sized swimming pool, you now have 5,489,440 pounds of cocaine according to the law.
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Edited by FrenchMachine (02/18/10 10:11 PM)
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Society
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Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: convulsions]
#11978549 - 02/06/10 08:58 PM (2 years, 7 days ago) |
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convulsions said:
Even society supports us.
You're assuming things! I have not commented on that issue in quite a while!
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Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: FrenchMachine]
#11978567 - 02/06/10 09:01 PM (2 years, 7 days ago) |
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Surely you are smart enough to realize it doesnt work that way and is not nearly as simple as making a statement saying "just change them".
Ok, don't try to change them. Just smoke another bowl and everything will be fine.
Do you ever wonder why the laws don't get changed often?
How often do you try?
Do you really think that you are that powerless?
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dr_gonz
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Alan Rockefeller said:
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I think that's absolute bullshit that the container is added to the charge.
If you put a gram of coke into an olympic sized swimming pool, you now have 5,489,440 pounds of cocaine according to the law.
This is logical to me  
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Quote:
Alan Rockefeller said:
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I think that's absolute bullshit that the container is added to the charge.
I agree, however the law clearly states that they should charge you with the full weight of the container.
If you put a gram of coke into an olympic sized swimming pool, you now have 5,489,440 pounds of cocaine according to the law.
thanks, i needed a new sig quote.
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I have logged in this once so that I can set the "last seen" feature up. let the faggots flow forth into OTD and have it. Its funny how they all grew nuts after I left. I'm not here, I'm not reading, but I urge you all to keep melting down over me. I know, I hurt alot of people, and they deserved it. epic win for me, epic fail for you.
ythan, you rock dude. i feel that my time at the shroomery was very positive and enjoyable, but this site is no longer for me. im not mad or upset or disappointed, i just want no part in a pg rated faggot festival.
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Mataspore
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Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: GetTheFuckOut]
#11978684 - 02/06/10 09:21 PM (2 years, 7 days ago) |
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Damn, I was going to sig that, really.
I knew I shouldn't of read everyones long posts.
I could be original for once.
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...but your lack of capitalization and proper punctuation, combined with shitty grammar and peculiar spacing, leads me to believe you are COASTER.
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Purple_spore
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Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: GetTheFuckOut]
#11978761 - 02/06/10 09:35 PM (2 years, 7 days ago) |
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If your not afraid to market "questionable" materials don't sell them period. I feel so bad for this kind of tragedy, but on the other hand I've been hearing about his web site for years, it pops up on all the search engines, its very popular, just the thing the dea likes to prosecute. Mescaline is a schedule 1 substance bottom line. to sell legal cacti is one thing but to sell multiple botanics that all have psychoactive properties is another.
I don't disagree with these logic's but I'm realistic, I mean common. I see a trend happening where people are getting smart and making multiple sites and selling a variety of things on them. but unfortunately you wouldn't be able to sponsor sites like the shroomery with any one site.
I for one am ready to make a serious stand against this and and want to rise up and face the government, they can't charge us all for possessing something like san pedro, where I live there are 20 foot high (no joke I measured them) sections growing. Are those illegal?
But defending him is fruitless because he possesses more entheogens than just a cutting of san pedro.
What should we do?
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convulsions
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Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: Purple_spore]
#11978973 - 02/06/10 10:12 PM (2 years, 7 days ago) |
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True, BBB and all the ebay vendors that sold HBWR, kanna, mimosa hostillis, san pedro, and other shit like that were on a "hint hint wink wink" basis with their customers, I just think that BBB got a bit to big and close to the line of marketing their stuff as psychoactive. I just hope places like shaman shop are not going to be next, I would die if there was a repeat of operation "webtryp".
As to the other subject, I think society is following us, maybe 20 or 30 years behind schedule, but it is happening. 72% of the graduating class of I think 1978 (I forgot the exact year) admitted to smoking marijuana at least once. They all know that it isn't the devils weed they were told it was, the generations after them know it. DARE doesn't work. There are HIGHER rates of soft drug abuse among graduates of the program. Why, because when their friends smoked and they found out nothing bad happened to them they got real skeptical real quick. The majority of Americans want pot legalized, and that margin is only growing. All we are waiting for is the political initiative to do it. It is all going to happen in time, and there is nothing the hard liners can do to stop it, because the more they dump cash and time into the drug war the more apparent it becomes to joe blow that the bad guys are the feds, they are just speeding it up.
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the bizzle
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Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: convulsions]
#11979040 - 02/06/10 10:27 PM (2 years, 7 days ago) |
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for anyone who didn't see this, I will just copy it here, for what it's worth
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the bizzle said:
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Deity208 said:
How the fuck is it ILLEGAL to sell LEGAL plants/herbs?
You can buy most of this shit at home depot.
I'm sorry, but BBB was asking for it by selling headshop items that appeal to high-seekers (K2 is obviously not just some plant)
home depot sells plants, BBB obviously is trying to appeal to high-seekers, by selling items specifically to get you high
not to mention they have forums with people asking about extractions
i've seen vendors say "this cactus contains mescaline and provides an experience similar to peyote"
I don't know if BBB was THAT blatant about it, but I always got a very commercial and greedy vibe from them. I am not in the least bit surprised, and I think they brought it on themselves
headshops trying to cash in on the legal high craze will be THE end of it, so if you know of any headshops selling cacti and ayahuasca analogues, I would ask you to plead with them to stop, but I doubt they will listen
keep in mind BBB also sold other products easily considered paraphenalia related to the controlled substances found in some of the plants
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Sellers (or anyone) who represent the cactus as a source of mescaline or sell them for their psychoactive properties (for "getting high") are at far higher risk of prosecution. Any preparation of the cactus for ingestion would likely turn the plant into a clearly scheduled (illegal) material. We are not aware of any convictions for the possession or sale of non-peyote mescaline-containing cacti such as San Pedro, but this does not mean that the cacti are "legal", it just means that the cactus has not been considered a problem and is currently not treated as a controlled plant by the police.
These columnar mescaline-containing cacti are readily available from plant vendors across the country. They can be purchased at mega-chains such as Target and Home Depot and are cultivated on government properties and in arboretums. Because of this, simple possession with no intent to ingest is de facto legal. Cutting a propagable section (over 5 inches or 12 cm) off of a live cactus would generally not count as preparation. However, slices, blended or boiled cactus material, pulp, extraction equipment, or any process of extraction could be considered preparation and immediately turns the plant material into a "container" for a Schedule I substance.
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One visitor commented:
"I have a friend who had his residence searched; the police siezed around 30g of dried Peruvian Torch cactus flesh, 4oz of dried Amanita muscaria mushrooms, and a very small amount of cannabis seeds and stems. He was charged with possession of a controlled substance (a class 4 felony in South Dakota) because the cacti contained a scheduled substance (mescaline). He gave no information to the police with regard to ingesting the cacti or mushrooms. [...] Apparently, the prosecutors and the judge found that posession of dried cacti flesh (in combination with posession of other "drugs") is a viable means of prosecuting somebody for posession of a controlled substance." (unconfirmed) (thanks K)
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hugger-mugger
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Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: the bizzle]
#11979126 - 02/06/10 10:43 PM (2 years, 7 days ago) |
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you know, the things they sell would strike me at least a little interesting even if I had no interest in using them.
Upon looking at the website, like the jury should be able to, if I were even half a reasonable individual I would have to admit that all these things are pretty much either leaf, mushroom, or cactus, and WOW, that should be amazing that God gave us these magical plants. 
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