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What I think he meant was that they charge full retail, if not more, for all their products not giving us a break in in price. I mean come the fck on, this dude is charging $65.34 for one gram of 30x salvia extract, that is fucking insane, that is one hit that lasts 2 minutes, and he even adds 34cents as if the price wasn't already a slap in the face. The only reason they do it is because they are exploiting the kindhearted people here, who actually believe he is a good person who loves all of us, or that his stuff is better. Anyone can make a gram of 30x and clean it up so it looks pretty, ooh shiny crystals.. heh. People here will get mad and say he is supporting his family, at least you know he is a good dude, his stuff is better. All a bunch of smug bullshit I say. He is just another salesman charging full retail for a 5$ product. None of you know this man, you aren't his family, he isn't gonna tell you how much he makes or what kind of steak he eats for dinner every night...

This guy is feeding his kids steak for dinner while the guy, who bought the 70$ gram of salvia, is feeding his kids a fuckin top ramen noodle.

Last year he had a kilo of salvia leaves for $163.35, now look at this guy, as soon as eBay banned the sale of salvia he more then doubled the price, now they have 1-lb for $163.35 (WTF 35 cents) He is nothing more then a retail supplier, he is not my friend or good person, just a salesman. You know and who does he come to when shit hits the fan and he cant afford the boat payment anymore? To us, telling us how the man is doing him wrong, well fuck that dude. You think just because you replaced a undelivered parcel your frikin Gandhi and I'm supposed to love you for that? No way man. Do you guys honestly believe this guy needs help for this? Like someone said he already posted bond, which means he has almost a million dollars in collateral. They are too fucking greedy to lower their prices to the point where he can easily raise the money he needs for this, instead they comes to us playing us for our good intentions asking us to dip into our bread, our family's food and give it to him. Not gonna happen. I know someone is gonna reply and say, 'oh i know him, he is a really good dude'. Get real, he is being nice so you'll look at his site and buy something. 

You people need to wake up and see this for what it is, KARMA. Obviously he has none.

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Damn, should of had my dad panhandle some BS sob story to all my old custies when I got arrested.
Oh wait... I'm not a low life dirt bag.

Get real man. You made a sh*t load of money, forgot to watch your ass and now you're dealing with the consequences.
Stop playing these poor people.

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punkrocker292004 said:
this thread is stupid who really cares about this dude he is exploiting nature and making government notice the "hazardous" potential of harmless plants that r just trying to live just like everything else on the planet

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....what?

Maybe he's an animal trying to survive on this planet just like everything else? Apparently you don't care about the fact that natural products you enjoy using are considered a ticket to a federal pound me in the ass institution.

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this thread is stupid who really cares about this dude he is exploiting nature and making government notice the "hazardous" potential of harmless plants that r just trying to live just like everything else on the planet

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....what?

Maybe he's an animal trying to survive on this planet just like everything else? Apparently you don't care about the fact that natural products you enjoy using are considered a ticket to a federal pound me in the ass institution.

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this thread is stupid who really cares about this dude he is exploiting nature and making government notice the "hazardous" potential of harmless plants that r just trying to live just like everything else on the planet

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....what?

Maybe he's an animal trying to survive on this planet just like everything else? Apparently you don't care about the fact that natural products you enjoy using are considered a ticket to a federal pound me in the ass institution.

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the fact is i dont use anything he sold except maybe the poppy seeds and ive never bought anything from him but we dont factor in well to natural selection considering our level of intellegence so i dont believe he is just an animal trying to survive

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Don't factor in well with natural selection because of our intelligence?! I deffinitly don't agree with that; have you not seen that record book that talks about REALLY stupid people dying doing REALLY stupid things? I can't remember what its called. But one situation that a smart man survives, a stupider man might not. Natural selection is PERFECT for humans in my eyes . And technically, humans are animals trying to survive in the world; that's a fact. Science puts us in the kingdom "Animalia" for a reason you know...

And I don't mean that you were using stuff HE sold you, I meant that you use the SAME plants/seeds/whatever for YOUR OWN purposes, like anyone else. I am just saying, if HE is exploiting nature, YOU certainlly are to. But, like anything else in the world, people will pay someone to do all the "work"(growing the plants/collecting the seeds/whatever) for them. It's not evil, its not fucked up; you do the same shit or take part in the same game. What you said made it seem like its wrong or evil or something to say, cut a san pedro cactus and consume it to trip. BS I say

What is actually "evil" is the federal government acting like it has a right to tell it's citizens what they can and cannot put in their body. They KNOW they can't do that, that is the GENIUSE of the schedule system nixon created in the earlly seventies. There ends were accomplished without fucking with / going (exactly) against what is written in the constitution. There is a VERY REAL constitutional argument to made against federal drug laws, and how they do not have the right to do it. Look at the state supreme court case in Alaska: it's to bad the argument has not succeded federally yet.

"Possession of less than 25 plants is protected under the Alaska Constitution’s right to privacy (See Ravin v. Alaska). Possession of 25 or more marijuana plants is “Misconduct involving a controlled substance in the fourth degree” and is punishable by a fine of up to $50,000 or five years in prison." (taken from NORML site)

What he was doing was both good (morally speaking, which is what you were attacking, his morals) and, maybe not for long, could possiblly be interpreted as legal. Don't hate on him cause he makes money, or runs a business. Your reasons are malarky, ya punk! ( hope you see the joke in the last statement)!

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this thread is stupid who really cares about this dude he is exploiting nature and making government notice the "hazardous" potential of harmless plants that r just trying to live just like everything else on the planet

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Maybe he's an animal trying to survive on this planet just like everything else? Apparently you don't care about the fact that natural products you enjoy using are considered a ticket to a federal pound me in the ass institution.

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the fact is i dont use anything he sold except maybe the poppy seeds and ive never bought anything from him but we dont factor in well to natural selection considering our level of intellegence so i dont believe he is just an animal trying to survive

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Don't factor in well with natural selection because of our intelligence?! I deffinitly don't agree with that; have you not seen that record book that talks about REALLY stupid people dying doing REALLY stupid things? I can't remember what its called. But one situation that a smart man survives, a stupider man might not. Natural selection is PERFECT for humans in my eyes . And technically, humans are animals trying to survive in the world; that's a fact. Science puts us in the kingdom "Animalia" for a reason you know...

And I don't mean that you were using stuff HE sold you, I meant that you use the SAME plants/seeds/whatever for YOUR OWN purposes, like anyone else. I am just saying, if HE is exploiting nature, YOU certainlly are to. But, like anything else in the world, people will pay someone to do all the "work"(growing the plants/collecting the seeds/whatever) for them. It's not evil, its not fucked up; you do the same shit or take part in the same game. What you said made it seem like its wrong or evil or something to say, cut a san pedro cactus and consume it to trip. BS I say

What is actually "evil" is the federal government acting like it has a right to tell it's citizens what they can and cannot put in their body. They KNOW they can't do that, that is the GENIUSE of the schedule system nixon created in the earlly seventies. There ends were accomplished without fucking with / going (exactly) against what is written in the constitution. There is a VERY REAL constitutional argument to made against federal drug laws, and how they do not have the right to do it. Look at the state supreme court case in Alaska: it's to bad the argument has not succeded federally yet.

"Possession of less than 25 plants is protected under the Alaska Constitution’s right to privacy (See Ravin v. Alaska). Possession of 25 or more marijuana plants is “Misconduct involving a controlled substance in the fourth degree” and is punishable by a fine of up to $50,000 or five years in prison." (taken from NORML site)

What he was doing was both good (morally speaking, which is what you were attacking, his morals) and, maybe not for long, could possiblly be interpreted as legal. Don't hate on him cause he makes money, or runs a business. Your reasons are malarky, ya punk! ( hope you see the joke in the last statement)!

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This dude is another victim of the drug war, plain and simple.


I don't care if he is a businessman, or if he is making money off of "good people" (because the guy who sells you pot is not doing the same thing, right?). He does not deserve all this hassle for selling what he sold.

I also dont care if a bunch of self rightous kids (ADDICTION229 / Pimp_A_Delik) think that they are smart for pointing out what profits are made by selling these products. Your not. 1 gram is not one hit of Salvia either. If you don't like what he is selling, then you don't buy it; simple really. Ask your local drug dealer about that~ ya know, the one that you love and call a friend who shamelessly profits off of your habits.

The situation does not suck because he was such a "good guy". It's not fair, whether or not he is a "good guy". You guys are missing the larger injustice of the situation, fixed on your karma bullshit banter.

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punkrocker292004 said:
you make a great argument but humans r not factored into natural selection because of our ability to survive over all other animals i say animals because there r better organisms out there that can survive better then us infact there are jelly fish that r immortal yes believe it it is a fact

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Do the right thing. Kill Cops whenever you can. Especially DEA pigs.

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Alan Rockefeller said, in part:

If you want less police/dea, you need to convince people that they are not needed and aren't a good use of tax dollars.

You can do that by writing your congresspeople, meeting with your congresspeople, commenting on online stories about drug busts/dea, and convincing your fellow citizens. 

Find examples of the police/dea wasting money, and publicize them.

Every town has places where the cops just hang out and waste time.  If you can find those places and film the cops doing nothing, you can get their budget cut since obviously they have too much budget.

As for the DEA, publicize all the medical marijuana raids and make the point that obviously they are overfunded if they waste their resources going after sick people.

If you aren't in a medical marijuana state and the cops bust sick people who are obviously using it medicinally, you can write a letter to the editor of your local paper and make a case for reducing police budgets.

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