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 BiG_StroOnZ
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 Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: Fraggin]
#12148709 - 03/05/10 12:29 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fraggin said:
This is a classic case of making an example of someone. We know that he was likely operating within the confines of the law as he interpreted it.
The feds do not like anyone other than a governing body to make money off of items that people consume for recreational purposes. Part of their ability to take this stance is an old moral code that makes it illegal for the government to tax anything that keeps the poor in poverty. Unfortunaltey, they have always viewed drugs and even alcohol in this light. They ommitted all of the slaughters and street wars during prohibition times by letting us have our alcohcol.
Since BBB was operating on the edge of legality, they were a good target to use as an example. Even if he is not convicted, any other herbalis/botanist/pothead that wants to make a living by selling entheogenic substances may look at the shit he went through and think twice about it.
Some things must remain under the radar to exist withing this toltarian environment.
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arghbilly
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Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: BiG_StroOnZ]
#12154052 - 03/06/10 12:50 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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gentlemen
MOD EDIT: This is not a Shroomery sponsor. We like to keep our vendors and recommend you look at them.
are these good prices? it's a local store where I can just walk in and buy. they also have peyote buttons in the store. they don't ship to the USA for obvious reasons, but I was wondering does anything like this in the US exist? or is it too illegal. i'm assuming BBB was overseas somewhere
Edited by Cactusdan (03/06/10 12:52 PM)
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 myco99
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Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: BiG_StroOnZ]
#12155436 - 03/06/10 05:41 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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BiG_StroOnZ said:
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Fraggin said:
This is a classic case of making an example of someone. We know that he was likely operating within the confines of the law as he interpreted it.
The feds do not like anyone other than a governing body to make money off of items that people consume for recreational purposes. Part of their ability to take this stance is an old moral code that makes it illegal for the government to tax anything that keeps the poor in poverty. Unfortunaltey, they have always viewed drugs and even alcohol in this light. They ommitted all of the slaughters and street wars during prohibition times by letting us have our alcohcol.
Since BBB was operating on the edge of legality, they were a good target to use as an example. Even if he is not convicted, any other herbalis/botanist/pothead that wants to make a living by selling entheogenic substances may look at the shit he went through and think twice about it.
Some things must remain under the radar to exist withing this toltarian environment.
Kind of off topic but I would just like to point out that the US government is hardly totalitarian. Most of us have major issues with the government; we see and feel injustice all the time, especially when it comes to substance regulation and the horrible punishments doled out. However, to say we live under a totalitarian government is an affront to those who have suffered under the likes of the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, Stalin in Russia, etc... The words we use have meaning; we would all be wise to remember that.
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ergotguy
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Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: smokescreen]
#12155558 - 03/06/10 06:01 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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id like to say the greedy ones only ruined it for themselves if someone wanted to get any plant you only need its latin name and an up to date RHS plant finder and then see who specialises in the area of plant you are after and give them a call asking for garden plants not visionary teachers
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FleshCap
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Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: geokills]
#12156757 - 03/06/10 09:50 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Meanwhile, pharmacutical companies continue to produce mass quantities of "medications" that do nothing for the soul.
People like Jon put themselves on the line so the rest of us can feed our spirits.
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theMallacht
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Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: FleshCap]
#12156910 - 03/06/10 10:30 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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FleshCap said:
Meanwhile, pharmacutical companies continue to produce mass quantities of "medications" that do nothing for the soul.
People like Jon put themselves on the line so the rest of us can feed our spirits.
Indeed... One documentary I was watching put it best when they said that Pharmaceutical companies create these so-called "medications" to simply treat symptoms instead of finding cures... Because if they found cures they would be out of business... Our bodies are more profitable to them if we keep getting sick....
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arg6
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Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: theMallacht]
#12158049 - 03/07/10 08:33 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Has anyone seen this...?
www.sanpedroman.com
"CLOSED FOREVER!"
This Site is Closed! No sales!
Any orders pending were Deleted "No" Cards have been Charged!
Do not call! Do Not show up at my Door! I want to be Left in Peace!
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CosmicLion
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Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: arg6]
#12158151 - 03/07/10 09:02 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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arg6 said:
Has anyone seen this...?
www.sanpedroman.com
"CLOSED FOREVER!"
This Site is Closed! No sales!
That is some real ass shit. RR does not like the waves of change from the waning tide 
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curenado
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Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: CosmicLion]
#12158219 - 03/07/10 09:19 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Collect what you can while you can and trade privately like we do here for as long as we can because eventually, if the trend continues it will be back down to private clubs and local traders. Guess I better start me a garden club...
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BlimeyGrimey
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Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: curenado]
#12158251 - 03/07/10 09:27 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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curenado said:
Collect what you can while you can and trade privately like we do here for as long as we can because eventually, if the trend continues it will be back down to private clubs and local traders. Guess I better start me a garden club...
Good point. Time to start collecting seeds of various species.
Its the very reason I collect so many spore prints of active species. One day, it may be illegal to buy spores over the net and we will have to rely on the forum members' collections to keep things going.
As long as the plants and mushrooms are alive on our planet, there will always be a way to get them. Though, it may not be as easy as typing in a CC number and placing an order.
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Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: curenado]
#12159019 - 03/07/10 11:58 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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curenado said:
Collect what you can while you can and trade privately like we do here for as long as we can because eventually, if the trend continues it will be back down to private clubs and local traders. Guess I better start me a garden club...
pfffft noone trades here >.>
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BlimeyGrimey
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Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: Nexius]
#12159040 - 03/07/10 12:04 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nexius said:
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curenado said:
Collect what you can while you can and trade privately like we do here for as long as we can because eventually, if the trend continues it will be back down to private clubs and local traders. Guess I better start me a garden club...
pfffft noone trades here >.>
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chocbruce
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Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
#12162111 - 03/07/10 10:22 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Interesting. At my university in Rhode Island we grow san pedro. I mean...the school does. It's beautiful...8 feet tall in the greenhouse special collection. But....i guess it does contain mescaline. one of the most beautiful flowering plants in the world...
ah well...
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Cactusdan
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Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: chocbruce]
#12162157 - 03/07/10 10:32 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Your university and almost every botanical gardens with a cacti and succulent section.
Trichocereus pachanoi is one of the most widely cultivated cacti out there, not to mention it is one of the cactus collector's favorite grafting stocks.
I am not worried about the recent raids as I dont buy from Ethnobotanical dealers who are obviously selling for them for people to get high.
I buy/trade from legitimate growers and nurseries who sell them because they are an amazing plant.
I also grow from seed.
This is what will stop increased awareness to this plant.
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Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: Cactusdan]
#12162393 - 03/07/10 11:24 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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says the man with a peyote for an avatar 
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Cactusdan
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Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: makaveli8x8]
#12162429 - 03/07/10 11:33 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's Lophophora fricii.
Not williamsii 
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thedudenj
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Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: Cactusdan]
#12164731 - 03/08/10 12:52 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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i love L.diffusa. any who so whats happened with this btw
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Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: thedudenj]
#12167309 - 03/08/10 08:41 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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This is very sad. Bouncing Bear was doing a great service to spiritualists everywhere. What a terrible place the world can be when a government steals and scares. Hopefully people can open their eyes and see that Mr. Jon Sloan is not a man that deserves to be imprisoned and robbed. I have hope for humanity, but it's hard after reading stories like these. Even if BBB isn't the best vendor out there (especially compared to the Shroomery sponsors).
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Aradar
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Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: The_Aviator]
#12168909 - 03/09/10 05:06 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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"In the 60's people took acid to feel weird now days people take prozac to feel normal"
its up to people like us to keep this culture alive
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curenado
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Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: Aradar]
#12169271 - 03/09/10 07:32 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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IF these events lead to more like it or the establishment of some hindering precedent things will go back to "club" status like it did in the early seventies and not be as much in the "public domain" as it is now.
We're already updating plans and people as to how many acres will be preservation garden/greenhouse for these species and the people who take care of them. It needs doing regardless of this case outcome. Can't emphasize enough that if you've aspired to have that "ultimate collection" and have a nice hobby that pays for itself your day may be arriving.
Buying/trading from private people who love or are obsessed with what they do is often more rewarding anyway. I'm sure some of the vendors will hold out to the last minute in such a case and will hopefully give some discounts or make numerous deposits of their species/strains with various entities/individuals.
BUT that's a big "IF" - Still think that whatever happens it should launch a larger wave of botanical garden/private collection preservation and education.
....and still hoping that maybe this thing was handled so poorly that it may even throw the smallest weight into the people's argument for access...?
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