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 Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: _OttO_]
#12092866 - 02/24/10 11:15 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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lol. i havent read half of this shit but the people who are saying he is guilty are dumb plain and simple. he was break no laws....none, if he were the customers of the place would be too. its just fucking retarded, yeah like 10 of their products contain trace amounts of psychoactives that could be ingested for a trip. But i HONESTLY think that 99% of the employees of that shop seriously had no idea that people would seriously eat them... think about it the next time u see someone a drug nieve person give them 2ft of sanpedro and try to convince them people eat that to get high....see how they react (wold it be diffrent if i said try to convince them that people eat this to have a spiritual trip on a natural plant?)
yeah, i have eaten san pedro to get high, yes it does seem logical to me, and yes i do belive that a few employees had some idea but i DONT believe that they were on any of these drugs or any drugs for that matter (who would take that fucking risk??ESPECIALLY if they knew "what they are doing")
the fact of the matter is that none of those plants and animal were illegal(where do we draw the line between plant and drug!?)
...none. and that it was wrong...100% wrong and unlawful for the fda to ransack that business. if that poor man gets sent to jail for more than it takes for his trial. i will loose faith in all america...the fact that a person can be abiding by american law and be jailed for no reason, and have all of his assets taken away, and leaving his family without any fucking idea what is going on makes me want to go thermonuclear! its just sick.
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im so sick of hear the fucking word drug im about to fucking vomit! its like saying nigger every time u refer to any black person...SERIOUSLY!
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Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: Invisible_Woe]
#12093210 - 02/25/10 12:59 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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i think a drug naive person as you put it, would believe that a drug user would do anything to get high, so they would have no problem believing someone would be eating cactus.
as for the employee's, if just one of them knew what the stuff was being used for, word would spread quickly. a brief look at the sales site would be enough, then we have the video's, neronsoup, and the drug forums they made available on their own website....i think you'd have to be naive to believe there was anyone who didn't know what was going on.
but them thinking people are eating there products or using them in illegal ways isn't why they are in trouble. there in trouble because they were teaching people how to use them to get high. The second they did that, im guessing all those plants suddenly became "containers".then they were pointing people in all the right directions, and basically pointing a finger at the authority's and laughing. every action they took, basically looked like they were asking to be arrested. and according to reports from other users here, they are still sending out emails providing info on how to consume or use those products in illegal ways as someone posted an email recently. so its no wonder.
lastly, he wasn't a poor man, he was a very rich man. So rich that they took all his money, and he still managed to post bail for over a million or something like that, and yet somehow after doing that, and bringing all the heat onto the grey market, he still manages to draw in as a charity case which completely baffles me. especially when you consider the whole neronsoup side of this deal, why they would have anything at all to do with her is....odd but i guess everything they do is "odd".
im hoping some new info will get posted soon tho, there's a few things id like more details on
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Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: makaveli8x8]
#12093231 - 02/25/10 01:13 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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makaveli8x8 said:
i think a drug naive person as you put it, would believe that a drug user would do anything to get high, so they would have no problem believing someone would be eating cactus.
as for the employee's, if just one of them knew what the stuff was being used for, word would spread quickly. a brief look at the sales site would be enough, then we have the video's, neronsoup, and the drug forums they made available on their own website....i think you'd have to be naive to believe there was anyone who didn't know what was going on.
but them thinking people are eating there products or using them in illegal ways isn't why they are in trouble. there in trouble because they were teaching people how to use them to get high. The second they did that, im guessing all those plants suddenly became "containers".then they were pointing people in all the right directions, and basically pointing a finger at the authority's and laughing. every action they took, basically looked like they were asking to be arrested. and according to reports from other users here, they are still sending out emails providing info on how to consume or use those products in illegal ways as someone posted an email recently. so its no wonder.
lastly, he wasn't a poor man, he was a very rich man. So rich that they took all his money, and he still managed to post bail for over a million or something like that, and yet somehow after doing that, and bringing all the heat onto the grey market, he still manages to draw in as a charity case which completely baffles me. especially when you consider the whole neronsoup side of this deal, why they would have anything at all to do with her is....odd but i guess everything they do is "odd".
im hoping some new info will get posted soon tho, there's a few things id like more details on
we look at this in two diffrent ways. you may be right, even so, he was breaking no laws. the plants were legal, what we do with them is our choice. its the consumers choice to take it. i feel that in america if i want to eat something that is not illegal i should have every right to. and i also feel that i should have the right to sell, buy, own, trade, and even tell people what to do with it as long as it did not include ingesting or extracting. and i may or may not have purchased said products from BBB before, as a regular customer i have never ran into anything that told me how to do anything with the products i buy except how to plant and grow.
it would be a lot different if they were doing something illegal.
Edited by Invisible_Woe (02/25/10 01:19 AM)
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Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: Invisible_Woe]
#12093243 - 02/25/10 01:19 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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telling people how to get high on drugs, when your supplying them with the ingredients, is illegal in the USA. so yes from what im hearing he was breaking the law.
if you don't believe that then walk into your local police station with a hand full of cactus and ask them if they would like to buy some while passing out info on how to get high
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Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: makaveli8x8]
#12093249 - 02/25/10 01:23 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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makaveli8x8 said:
telling people how to get high on drugs, when your supplying them with the ingredients, is illegal in the USA. so yes from what im hearing he was breaking the law.
if you don't believe that then walk into your local police station with a hand full of cactus and ask them if they would like to buy some while passing out info on how to get high
youre right, he shouldent tell people to eat it, and he didnt. unless u can show me where i have never heard of it. its just like MM the fda is pissed amricans are getting high legaly and thats fucked up
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Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: Invisible_Woe]
#12093251 - 02/25/10 01:26 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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he had videos, an open forum that he hosted on his sales site, and replied to emails with links on drugs. just one of those is enough, but we have all 3.
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Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: makaveli8x8]
#12093255 - 02/25/10 01:30 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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if you don't believe that then walk into your local police station with a hand full of cactus and ask them if they would like to buy some while passing out info on how to get high
is telling people how to get high illegal? D.A.R.E taught me how to use whippits...and thats what pisses me off. its ok to tell someone how to get high on readily available legal drugs as long as u mean well?
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Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: Invisible_Woe]
#12093257 - 02/25/10 01:33 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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well like i said earlier, the law as i know it, you can not sell products and provide information on how to get high under the same identity.
weither you like it or not is a different topic, but in concern of the law, thats just the way it is, far as i know.
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Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: makaveli8x8]
#12093273 - 02/25/10 01:38 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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makaveli8x8 said:
well like i said earlier, the law as i know it, you can not sell products and provide information on how to get high under the same identity.
weither you like it or not is a different topic, but in concern of the law, thats just the way it is, far as i know.
see i dont think he is providing "drugs" when i recive a cactus i get it in a nice little box wrapped in paper with a pice of paper telling me how to plant it and how to make it grow. i am a huge fan of bbb and have been shopping with them for years and i have not ran into these videos it just seems like a big crock of shit to me.
its not like he was telling all of his customers to get high on these plants...idk maybe im just old school or something stupid
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Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: makaveli8x8]
#12093289 - 02/25/10 01:52 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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makaveli8x8 said:
well like i said earlier, the law as i know it, you can not sell products and provide information on how to get high under the same identity.
weither you like it or not is a different topic, but in concern of the law, thats just the way it is, far as i know.
i guess honestly, my point is that i cant stand living in a country where it ok to do something as long as you are a certain person representing a certain thing. but then we can all turn around and say we all have an equal opportunity to do whatever the constitution allows us...this is a matter of opinion but in all honesty is probably most of the reason i made the original post.
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Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: Invisible_Woe]
#12093298 - 02/25/10 01:58 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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well theres a link smack in the middle of there home page linking to some video's, the forum link is in the top right corner. im not sure if those are the video's people have been talking about there may be more.
i never said he was sending "drugs". i said you can't legally in the USA send someone the "ingredients" and provide information related to drugs. i did however mention that once he did that, the authoritys most likely view the ingredients as "containers" for drugs. weither they do that or not doesn't matter, as in either case something was done illegally. I only mentioned that because it might shed some light onto a explaination for the charges against him and how they are worded.
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Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: makaveli8x8]
#12093316 - 02/25/10 02:11 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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makaveli8x8 said:
well theres a link smack in the middle of there home page linking to some video's, the forum link is in the top right corner. im not sure if those are the video's people have been talking about there may be more.
i never said he was sending "drugs". i said you can't legally in the USA send someone the "ingredients" and provide information related to drugs. i did however mention that once he did that, the authoritys most likely view the ingredients as "containers" for drugs. weither they do that or not doesn't matter, as in either case something was done illegally. I only mentioned that because it might shed some light onto a explaination for the charges against him and how they are worded.
well containers and ingredients have nothing to do with what i was talking about. oh well i have enjoyed this, good discussion. im just super bummed about it all.
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Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: Invisible_Woe]
#12093358 - 02/25/10 02:33 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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we were talking about if what he did was illegal, so yah actually it was what you were talking about
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the fact of the matter is that none of those plants and animal were illegal(where do we draw the line between plant and drug!?)
they draw the line when you sell the plants and animals along with information to make or use them for drug purposes.
you can't sell things to people when you know they are going to be used illegally, which is why you can't provide any information related to drugs. the video's, the forum, and the emails gave the entire site a pro-drugs outlook, and thats why it was illegal. once intent was brought into question, everything on his site because a potential "container" for drugs, instead of just being the plants that they are. In otherwords the plants become illegal, once its been shown that they are being used for illegal purposes. and again thats my interpretation.
i was just trying to help explain the law as i understand it, and yah im bummed to because all of it could have been avoided.
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Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: makaveli8x8]
#12093378 - 02/25/10 02:46 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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I thought he started out interesting and neat enough but I also have to say that for someone so very well off, no matter how normal it is hitting people up for money is a little cheesy because the same people give him more money and then get bitched at for asking for some free spores. This may just flatly be about money too - he had plenty and Kansas et all involved felt they wanted a bigger hunk of it. Big term threats & etc. I've really never seen him give much of a shit about others but maybe I'm wrong on that. I don't see it as trying to change any laws for the better or a social cause and no one will say so. He just rose to a bigger boy level and there was all that money to be had...
"This is our money!" - president character in "Clear and Present Danger"
I guess as far as we humble folk go, if they are still shipping that's the thing and a better way to contribute because at least you are getting a little something for your offering there - I mean at least in my mind.
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Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: Invisible_Woe]
#12093542 - 02/25/10 05:06 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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see i dont think he is providing "drugs" when i recive a cactus i get it in a nice little box wrapped in paper with a pice of paper telling me how to plant it and how to make it grow.
The controlled substances act says that mescaline is illegal. It doesn't say that mescaline is legal if you include a paper on how to grow it. It doesn't say that mescaline is legal if its just for decoration.
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Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: Mike_yy]
#12093755 - 02/25/10 07:03 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Very bad new. I just gave him some money to try to help him
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Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: Ferlito]
#12094052 - 02/25/10 08:38 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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THERRE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THIS UTTERLY DESTRUCTIVE AND FALSE WAR ON DRUGS
PERIOD
Stop for fucks sake some of you drawling 'well he shouldn't have broken the law'--not that he did, but this evil law is totally W R O N G, and NEEDS defying.
check this out: LEAP
Not only providing financial help for this brother every ONE of you should be on the fukin mean streets PROTESTING about this evil shit!!!
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Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: zzripz]
#12094188 - 02/25/10 09:02 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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You do realize that all that rageful protesting does is bring negative attention to the situation?
Thus causing more people to stand up against what is being protested and less likely to side with us or at the very least somewhere in the middle.
PS. I like LEAP
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Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: zzripz]
#12094252 - 02/25/10 09:13 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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makaveli8x8,
You're beating a dead horse here.
Show me a law making information illegal.
Show me a law making ANY of the products being sold on his website illegal.
You wish to construe the image of reality to represent your own logical assumptions and conclusions.
John committed no illegal act. The feds would like to do just as you are and put him away.
Far too many people in America are so truly ignorant. Invisible_Woe sees things a little clearer. America once represented freedom, equality, self responsibility. Unfortunately, America has been under attack from behind our own lines for too long, and now what once was is no more. America today is a bastardization of the original concept.
And it's specifically thinking like yours, makaveli8x8, that got us here. Welcome to Fascist Amerika! FDA controls your body. Big Pharma sells you the drugs that kill you, and pulls FDA strings. There's fluoride in your drinking water to keep you unintelligent and docile. The CIA is trafficking children and hard drugs. And the sheeple get their bread and circus.
Ugh, this makes me sick. Physically sick. This is a gross violation of his rights and it reflects back onto us the real opinion of us that the "rulers" have. We are a commodity. The real money is in people, addict them, sell them lifestyles, imprison them, send them to war.
This is fucking disgusting, and anyone who thinks Sloan is getting what he "deserves" is too.
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Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Bouncing Bear Botanicals [Re: BaldoSquemo]
#12096719 - 02/25/10 03:15 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Right ON!! Thats why I expressed so much disgust. If you see a kid gettin beaten up in the street by a cop you dont say he deserves it, or make polite remarks how wrong it is. it is WRONG.
whats that saying--first they came for the Jews and I did nothing, then they came for the....etc etc etc. Well they ARE coming for us! If there was ever a time for all of us to get together for support is now
Edited by zzripz (02/25/10 03:26 PM)
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