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Here's the pic
Its looking pretty good a little bit of water is normal in a mono. The way to tell if your tub is dialed in properly is if after you give it a good spraying within 24 hours the water has evaped off the surface of your tub.
Im pretty sure but cant be positive without a better picture, but those white dots look like hyphal knotting to me
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I am pretty sure the argument over Beats Peat was settled upthread. I will say it ONCE and FOR all SHROOMERY time; Beats Peat is not treated with trichoderma
No. Get your own experence with the coir in question before posting like your some kind of expert who knows it all.
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once I get access to horse manure Im with'ya on that one.
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Yeah, horse manure's free and I feel like it's better for the environment to take an already existing product and make use out of it. Not to mention, there are some horse keepers who just plain need their horse areas poop scooped. I have yet to run into somebody with horses who got pisseed at me for asking to pick up their horse manure, FOR FREE!
It saves these folks from having to rent tractors to clean the manure themselves. All that manure in those bags above took all of 6 hours to grab, by myself. We're talking about 3-500 pounds of raw substrate materials, the best kind too. You could break the bank buying 500 pounds of coir at a time. Mucho economical.
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I was just sharing some joy that my grow had progressed further than I thought it would. I thought all was lost, you know? I wasn't attacking you, I was just qualifying why I was fretting. I wasn't saying that the grow was an in-the-bag success.
I know you have nice grows, I've seen them, I wasn't saying otherwise.
So...peace and love. And...chilling.
I'd really like to hear that you won using Beats Peat. But, seeing as how you haven't come back to rub it in my face that Beats Peat worked for you, is it safe to assume you saw contamination appear?
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Well by no means did I create the use of coir I just simple posted how I prepare my coir and I am glad everyone likes it, well most everyone.
This tek is great bulk tek for beginners. If it wasn't for this tek, I'dda never made it past using wheat straw/cow manure substrates. Done this tek over, and over, and over again. It's brough me great success, insight, and understang of the bulk substrate. For that, I'm forever greatful for this tek. Thanks again Damion.
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Coir is an existing product that is gonna be tossed any way just like manure. But yea it is free and farmers love you for coming by and cleaning there shit up
I think I may have run into another coir product that has trich infested in it. Ive tried it 3 times and all 3 times i got trich really bad at the same point of colonization. 80-90%. Im going to give it another try as I have 2 bricks of it but im really questioning this product
http://toronto.flyerland.ca/browse_all_products.php?p_id=228151
Like I said I'll give it another try when I have some spawn ready and report back as to my results.
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Coir is an existing product that is gonna be tossed any way just like manure. But yea it is free and farmers love you for coming by and cleaning there shit up
I think I may have run into another coir product that has trich infested in it. Ive tried it 3 times and all 3 times i got trich really bad at the same point of colonization. 80-90%. Im going to give it another try as I have 2 bricks of it but im really questioning this product
http://toronto.flyerland.ca/browse_all_products.php?p_id=228151
Like I said I'll give it another try when I have some spawn ready and report back as to my results.
http://www.originalmulchblock.com/soil.html
That probably has trich added due to it being specifically marketed for growing plants, which is why I get my coir bricks from the local pet store, where I know that they won't add trick, because snakes/turtles/reptiles don't like mold...
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Coir is an existing product that is gonna be tossed any way just like manure. But yea it is free and farmers love you for coming by and cleaning there shit up
I think I may have run into another coir product that has trich infested in it. Ive tried it 3 times and all 3 times i got trich really bad at the same point of colonization. 80-90%. Im going to give it another try as I have 2 bricks of it but im really questioning this product
http://toronto.flyerland.ca/browse_all_products.php?p_id=228151
Like I said I'll give it another try when I have some spawn ready and report back as to my results.
http://www.originalmulchblock.com/soil.html
That probably has trich added due to it being specifically marketed for growing plants, which is why I get my coir bricks from the local pet store, where I know that they won't add trick, because snakes/turtles/reptiles don't like mold...
Yea your prolly right but we dont have coir(or i have yet to see and I have searched many pet stores) available for reptile bedding. I cant find bed a beast in any petsmart in my major city. At this point I guess im going to have to go back to beat's peat and try it again or see if a hardware store has a different brand of coir available. Any other  's have good results with a brand of coir?Quote:
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Like I said I haven't been misting at all. Should I start?
For sure. You shouldnt have to fan and mist with a properly dialed in monotub. It should be set it and forget it, but I always fan and mist my tubs
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No problem.
The evaporation of your substrate is the number one pinning trigger. I fan the sub until i see pins form then only mist the sides of my tubs while the fruits are growing.
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ok great; I suppose I won't mist until I see pins then! I'll keep fanning. Hopefully this thing will start popping in the next week.
Just FYI...
I knocked my jars up on April 8th, and didn't spawn until May 12th. I introduced fruiting conditions on May 31st around 10:30 PM.
Uhm i meant that I mist the sub until I see pins. 18 days is a little long for a spawn run but nothing to worry about it happens all the time. It doesnt really matter how long it takes the shrooms will come when they come. Thats one thing mycology will teach you is patience.
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Coir is an existing product that is gonna be tossed any way just like manure.
Completely INCORRECT!
Coco-coir is the fibery pith, just underneath the heavy husk. It's soaked for 2 years to rid the pith of resins and oils, then beat to separate the pith from the husk. This is 2 year process called "retting".
The pith is then bricked and sold in packs of 1 or 3, so no, Coco-Coir is not intended to be thrown away, "just like manure". Not at all. It's extracted on purpose then sold for an intended purpose. Grabbing horse manure off the ground is, RECYCLING.
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Re: Coir Tek [Re: hamloaf]
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Coir is an existing product that is gonna be tossed any way just like manure.
Completely INCORRECT!
Coco-coir is the fibery pith, just underneath the heavy husk. It's soaked for 2 years to rid the pith of resins and oils, then beat to separate the pith from the husk. This is 2 year process called "retting".
The pith is then bricked and sold in packs of 1 or 3, so no, Coco-Coir is not intended to be thrown away, "just like manure". Not at all. It's extracted on purpose then sold for an intended purpose. Grabbing horse manure off the ground is, RECYCLING.
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I am pretty sure the argument over Beats Peat was settled upthread. I will say it ONCE and FOR all SHROOMERY time; Beats Peat is not treated with trichoderma
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No. Get your own experence with the coir in question before posting like your some kind of expert who knows it all.
Read the threads before you enter the conversation Hamloaf, yes, the argument is settled, and No, Beats Peat does not contain Trich. You are right, I don't have a lot of experience, but what little I do has been with beats peat. In addition, thesoundd and I both personally contacted the company that produces Beats Peat and both got the same response, Beats Peat is 100% coir, and contains no additives whatsoever, including trichoderma.
I don't know what else there is to argue about 
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Re: Coir Tek [Re: fbi365]
#14586740 - 06/09/11 07:29 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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hamloaf said:
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I am pretty sure the argument over Beats Peat was settled upthread. I will say it ONCE and FOR all SHROOMERY time; Beats Peat is not treated with trichoderma
No. Get your own experence with the coir in question before posting like your some kind of expert who knows it all.
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I was just sharing some joy that my grow had progressed further than I thought it would. I thought all was lost, you know? I wasn't attacking you, I was just qualifying why I was fretting. I wasn't saying that the grow was an in-the-bag success.
I know you have nice grows, I've seen them, I wasn't saying otherwise.
So...peace and love. And...chilling.
I'd really like to hear that you won using Beats Peat. But, seeing as how you haven't come back to rub it in my face that Beats Peat worked for you, is it safe to assume you saw contamination appear?
Well, it's been 3 weeks since I made up my monotub and I see no signs of contamination. The leftover substrate has been sitting in a closed 5 gallon bucket and it doesn't display any conspicuous growth or odor. I'm not trying to rub anything in your face, I was just frustrated that I took your advice on the best brand of coir, only to realize later that you had never successfully used it.
The mushrooms are acting strange, but this is my first time growing Colombian Rust Spore and the provider of the print said that they are a novelty strain of sorts. I saw pinning after 10 days and exposed to fruiting, even though the surface didn't have that pristine white sea of colonization that is often seen. I've harvested two dry ounces, but the mushrooms just keep coming up, so I'm not really sure when I should dunk. If they're continually popping up, does that mean it's still the first flush?
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In addition, thesoundd and I both personally contacted the company that produces Beats Peat and both got the same response, Beats Peat is 100% coir, and contains no additives whatsoever, including trichoderma.
I don't know what else there is to argue about
 If BeatsPeat is enriched with Trich, that means either the company representative is ignorant of their products or...they're hiding something.... 
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Yeah, there could be an ignorant employee at the other end of that email, or they could be lying, but I don't know why they would do that.
I have had the same issue, where the flushes just keep coming, with no real break between them. Per RR's advice, just roll with it. They don't always come in neat flushes like everyone says...
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Re: Coir Tek [Re: fbi365]
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I have had the same issue, where the flushes just keep coming, with no real break between them. Per RR's advice, just roll with it. They don't always come in neat flushes like everyone says...
So I should assume that as long as mushrooms are coming up, it doesn't need to be dunked?
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I have had the same issue, where the flushes just keep coming, with no real break between them. Per RR's advice, just roll with it. They don't always come in neat flushes like everyone says...
So I should assume that as long as mushrooms are coming up, it doesn't need to be dunked?
You tell by weight of the substrate. If it feels really light, it needs a nice dunking.
If it's medium, mist the shit outta the sides of the tub & the substrate & fan a lot. (you can try the pint pouring technique around the tub, but it's dangerous depending on construction of your tub & the moisture content of the substrate)
If its still heavy, let it rock. (Heavy as in a little lighter than just after colonization weight.)
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You tell by weight of the substrate. If it feels really light, it needs a nice dunking.
If it's medium, mist the shit outta the sides of the tub & the substrate & fan a lot. (you can try the pint pouring technique around the tub, but it's dangerous depending on construction of your tub & the moisture content of the substrate)
If its still heavy, let it rock. (Heavy as in a little lighter than just after colonization weight.)
Thanks for the information. Unfortunately, I haven't been lifting my tub to get a feel for weight. It seems heavy, but, I don't really know what 'light' would feel like. Since it is covered in pins, I was wondering if it would be more worthwhile for me to inject water directly to the substrate with a syringe. Also, since it isn't covered in mycelium, I'm worried about the stability of the substrate if I were to dunk it. I've read too many horror stories about dunking snafus, I think.
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don't stick a syringe in substrate. That's asking for contams.
IDK about dunking "Snafus"
I use the mist method if I need more water in my substrate.
heavy is like it feels right when you introduce it into fruiting Conditions.
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