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 Nanoid
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 Re: Coir Tek  [Re: fig]
#12539895 - 05/10/10 11:02 PM (3 years, 11 days ago) |
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Ok, I have been trying to do the math but I just can't figure it out right now.
I am going to attempt a mini-bulk with this tek. I plan on using 1 pints worth of spawn and want to do a 1:3 ratio of spawn to substrate. I have the perfect container that will give me 3" of depth from 1 pint spawn, and 3 pints substrate.
What I can't figure out, based on the original recipe of this thread, is how much coir, verm and water would need to pull this off? Obviously I would want to get 3 pints worth of substrate and 1 pint of spawn for a 1:3 ratio.
But I am sitting here staring at this brick of coco husk I got, and cannot for the life of me figure out how I could ever possibly measure it accurately? It says on the brick that it makes 7 quarts worth. And I read that coir expands when wet. So how much of the brick do I use? 1/5th, 1/6th? And how much water and verm would I mix it in with based on this tek?
Any help is greatly appreciated, as this brick thing has gotten me a bit confused in regards to measuring. Verm and water are a cinch to measure... but this compacted stuff... forget about it! 
EDIT: Ok, pulled off the math. I would need 4.6 cups coir, 1.2 cups verm, and 2.6 cups of water. So that would end up being 2.9 pints substrate to 1 pint spawn (if I did the math at all correctly).
But that still leaves the question on how to measure coir properly. Do I just take it off the brick and measure dry? or do I measure after it's been soaked? And if that's the case how does that effect the water amounts?
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Re: Coir Tek [Re: Nanoid]
#12540308 - 05/11/10 12:02 AM (3 years, 11 days ago) |
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EDIT: Ok, pulled off the math. I would need 4.6 cups coir, 1.2 cups verm, and 2.6 cups of water. So that would end up being 2.9 pints substrate to 1 pint spawn (if I did the math at all correctly).
But that still leaves the question on how to measure coir properly. Do I just take it off the brick and measure dry? or do I measure after it's been soaked? And if that's the case how does that effect the water amounts?
use your 2.6 cups of water and add coir to it untill its all soaked up but still wet so when you add your verm it will be at field capcity. if too wet add more core/verm, if its dry add a lil bit of water at a time till its like moist/damp dirt but not wet/muddy dirt. it doesnt have to be exact just close. 
or make the whole brick and do 6 small batches.  
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Yeah, but your gunna have to pasteurize it the old fashioned way, not the ez dump water on brick and let it sit way...
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Re: Coir Tek [Re: Nanoid]
#12540582 - 05/11/10 12:42 AM (3 years, 11 days ago) |
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ok man here is a easy way to do it.
divide everything by 4.
a brick of coir is 500 grams so cut some of and weigh it so its 125 grams.
then add about a cup and a half to 2 cups of verm.
and 800-1000 mls of boiling water.
no need for repasteurizing.
then just measure 3 pints to spawn to when its ready.
i would just do the hole brick and use what i need then save the rest for another time in a sealed container.but thats me. whatever is less work is what i do
but i dont do mini bulk. i do bulk right
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Thanks for the replies, I really appreciate it! 
I suppose I could do the whole brick and save the rest, but it would probably be months before I used any of it again. I would be afraid it would go bad after that much time.
About the bricks weighing 500 grams, I don't have a traditional brick of straight coir, it's coco husk. More like wood chips and not very fine at all. You still think it weighs 500 grams? I would weigh it myself but my scale maxes out at 100g's.
And yeah, mini-bulk really isn't 'bulk' But I like to take small steps to ensure I know what I am doing later if I want to go bigger. Plus I don't have enough spawn to do a big grow. Even if I did I would hate to use it all and have it contam and waste 10 cakes that I could have fruited separately and probably successfully. First I need to see if I can even pull of a mini-bulk grow as easy as this.
In this case, I will have four 1/4 pints that I don't want to fruit as cakes because their performance sucks too much. Getting 1/2" to a max size of 2 inch high cubes with a bazillion aborts that rot out before the others can mature just isn't very exciting at all. So I figure I could crumble them to a 1:3 ratio and maybe get some good results.
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Re: Coir Tek [Re: Nanoid]
#12540779 - 05/11/10 01:25 AM (3 years, 11 days ago) |
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As far as I know, an average brick of coir weighs 650 grams and makes 8 to 9 quarts. So, figuring low, call it 8 quarts. 4 cups to a quart so there are 32 cups in a block of coir. One cup would equal about 20.3 grams. 20.3 grams per cup times 4.6 cups puts you at about 93.5 grams of dry coir. Chip off 93.5 grams from your brick and use that with the rest of what you have figured out.
I'm pretty sure these are 650 gram blocks we are working with here. Please, someone with experience, correct me if I am wrong.
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resonance77 said:
As far as I know, an average brick of coir weighs 650 grams and makes 8 to 9 quarts. So, figuring low, call it 8 quarts. 4 cups to a quart so there are 32 cups in a block of coir. One cup would equal about 20.3 grams. 20.3 grams per cup times 4.6 cups puts you at about 93.5 grams of dry coir. Chip off 93.5 grams from your brick and use that with the rest of what you have figured out.
I'm pretty sure these are 650 gram blocks we are working with here. Please, someone with experience, correct me if I am wrong.
that 8 quarts is hydrated weight not dry so thats almost correct.
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Quote:
resonance77 said:
As far as I know, an average brick of coir weighs 650 grams and makes 8 to 9 quarts. So, figuring low, call it 8 quarts. 4 cups to a quart so there are 32 cups in a block of coir. One cup would equal about 20.3 grams. 20.3 grams per cup times 4.6 cups puts you at about 93.5 grams of dry coir. Chip off 93.5 grams from your brick and use that with the rest of what you have figured out.
I'm pretty sure these are 650 gram blocks we are working with here. Please, someone with experience, correct me if I am wrong.
Yeah, the one I got says it goes to 7 quarts.
This is the same stuff I got
http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3092177
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resonance77 said:
I'm pretty sure these are 650 gram blocks we are working with here. Please, someone with experience, correct me if I am wrong.
that 8 quarts is hydrated weight not dry so thats almost correct.
Wait,...what?
So a brick is not 650 grams dry?
I'm asking because I have a few tubs using this tek that are taking forever and I used an almost 10 pound block and chipped off 650 grams dry and called that a brick. If 650 isn't the dry weight, I'm pretty sure that's were I fucked up.
It's not 650 grams dry per brick? Is it 500?
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Re: Coir Tek [Re: Nanoid]
#12540964 - 05/11/10 02:13 AM (3 years, 11 days ago) |
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Nanoid said:
Yeah, the one I got says it goes to 7 quarts.
This is the same stuff I got
http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3092177
Should have got this instead
http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752603
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Nanoid said:
Yeah, the one I got says it goes to 7 quarts.
This is the same stuff I got
http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3092177
Should have got this instead
http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752603
Yeah, I realized the one I got wasn't ideal, I knew that when I bought it. But it was all the store I got it from had.
But I searched the forum to see if it was good enough, and plenty of people say it's the same thing/works as good (like RR). So I am not worried about performance compared to normal coir, just how to measure it accurately when not using the entire brick.
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Re: Coir Tek [Re: Nanoid]
#12541289 - 05/11/10 03:58 AM (3 years, 11 days ago) |
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The problem is, not every brick is the same. Its not like this shit is a human consumption like food. The manufactures don't care to get this down to a science to make it ezer for people to more correctly calculate mushroom grows out of the stuff. I'm sure some portions of the stuff is packaged with a higher moisture content then some others, and perhaps there are different fibers of the plant that are more subject to better absorption of water then other fibers (Hopeing the whole brick is evenly mixed). Every attempt at field capacity is a lil different from the last, and I'm not saying its going to detrimentally ruin a grow because of, but i doubt your going to get a definite answer to your question.
Your just gunna have to wing it and hope for the best, or whip up the whole brick and save the leftovers for later like WBU said. if you set the leftovers out to evaporate excess moisture out of it so it doesn't mold up, it will be fine... If you go to use those left overs in the future, your going to have to bring it to field capacity and pasteurize it treating it just like you would a manure based sub.
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Edited by Boris (05/12/10 12:42 AM)
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Re: Coir Tek [Re: Boris]
#12541358 - 05/11/10 04:40 AM (3 years, 11 days ago) |
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Yeah, I am just going to experiment and figure out the right water amount per gram. Nothing beats learning from your own personal experiences.  Plus it was cheap enough, so I suppose I was just being too over cautious trying to get everything perfect.
Although in this hobby, it always seems the smallest mistake or lack of some bit of info can be detrimental to grows. Plus this being related to water amounts makes it pretty important.
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Re: Coir Tek [Re: Nanoid]
#12543848 - 05/11/10 05:51 PM (3 years, 10 days ago) |
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I seen a question on what type of light I use. I use a 4 foot 2 bulb shop light that has 6500 Kelvin daylight bulbs in it. It is on a 12/12 cycle.
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Update for you guys. Here is a new tub I started it is PE and it is fully colonized in 8 days. Except for that one spot.
Edited by Damion5050 (05/21/10 10:36 PM)
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thats what mine looked like condensation and all.
your going to get some golfball mutants, I can feel it. 
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Damn, where you been Damion? I always love your posts.
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Update for you guys. Here is a new tub I started it is PE and it is fully colonized in 8 days. Except for that one spot.
Awesome... I take it you're just going to throw 'er into fruiting conditions as is?
Hey if you had a whole lotta jars, and a pressing need to bring your harvest to fruition as quickly as possible (I want to be out working in the woods by mid-June or as soon as possible thereafter, and have tons of quart jars a few days from being fully colonized (196 assuming none go green, although the last batch of 50 were cooked by the girlfriend and she made them a wee bit moist, so we'll see)... What would you suggest in terms of a spawn-to-coir ratio that would give me a super-fast colonization, but still have enough bulk to yield a decent harvest per 64-qt tub? Any thoughts about what's optimum for speed would be awesome. I've had great results with your tek in the past so I wanted to get your thoughts on this.
Oh yeah, I'm only really going for one flush because I have to hit the road... so maybe I can make the substrate a bit shallower than usual?
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Re: Coir Tek [Re: Puma]
#12607197 - 05/22/10 01:15 AM (3 years, 4 hours ago) |
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What would you suggest in terms of a spawn-to-coir ratio that would give me a super-fast colonization, but still have enough bulk to yield a decent harvest per 64-qt tub?
for this tek thats 12+qts of spawn for an equal sub/spawn ratio of 1:1.
196/12 = 16.333 monotubs 
and bricks of coir. 
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Damn, where you been Damion? I always love your posts.
Hes workin like crazy. 
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