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 Re: My Elementary Coir Tek  [Re: Damion5050]
#12471616 - 04/28/10 03:17 PM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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OK, I just checked on my tub I spawned on the 18th. It's 10 days into colonizing and it's only at 50% maybe. Is this a bad sign?
A little background,
The spawn was 7 quarts of WBS inocced with Cambo. The jars finished in 18 days.
I followed the tek to a T. I even went out and bought tubs identical to yours and prepped them exactly like yours in the pictures. I mixed up 650g of coir with 2qts verm, and added 1 pint of gypsum in a 5 gallon bucket, added 1gal of boiling water, put lid on bucket, stirred at 45 minutes, let cool to 80F and spawned. I sprinkled some of the unspawned coir on top to cover the spawned coir, maybe a quarter of an inch layer. It filled the tub right to the holes, which are 4" up from the bottom. I had some coir left in the bucket, probably because I used more spawn than in the tek. I taped the bottom 4 holes of the tub, but because my lid is tight, I used a double layer of micropore tape on the top 2 holes. Stuck the whole thing in a black trash bag and waited 10 days and here I am with only 50% colonization. Should I be worried, or should I be patient?
No signs of contam or anything wrong other than its just not even close to 100% colonized. Does this seem strange?
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Well if you bought the exact tubs as me then the lids are not as air tight as u might think so by putting micropore tape on the holes might be letting in to much fresh air and not holding in the CO2. So there for ur CO2 levels may not be as high as u want, so that could be a reason for slow colonization.
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Re: My Elementary Coir Tek [Re: Damion5050]
#12472054 - 04/28/10 04:38 PM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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OK, good call. I duct taped the holes. The tubs I'm using are the 18gal Rubbermaid Roughneck. Not sure if they are exactly the same as yours but they are the same size and style, correct?
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 Re: My Elementary Coir Tek [Re: Damion5050]
#12486533 - 05/01/10 12:57 AM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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So after reading 12 pages on your TEK i've got a question bout your fruiting chamber sir... and you probably answered it somewhere but I overlooked it..
Is your tub also your FC? Or you take the top off and put it in your FC? I read you mist and fan twice a day, but it was unclear to me if this was dealing with it in the FC or what...
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Re: My Elementary Coir Tek [Re: benbujwah]
#12487094 - 05/01/10 04:06 AM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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Quote:
benbujwah said:
So after reading 12 pages on your TEK i've got a question bout your fruiting chamber sir... and you probably answered it somewhere but I overlooked it..
Is your tub also your FC? Or you take the top off and put it in your FC? I read you mist and fan twice a day, but it was unclear to me if this was dealing with it in the FC or what...
Hes been working intensively lately as he says, So we, "AMU members" haven't herd from him much lately...
I will answer his question by saying he uses a mono-tub setup. Its self-contained...
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Re: My Elementary Coir Tek [Re: benbujwah]
#12489925 - 05/01/10 06:55 PM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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Quote:
benbujwah said:
So after reading 12 pages on your TEK i've got a question bout your fruiting chamber sir... and you probably answered it somewhere but I overlooked it..
Is your tub also your FC? Or you take the top off and put it in your FC? I read you mist and fan twice a day, but it was unclear to me if this was dealing with it in the FC or what...
It is a mono tub. So it is technically a fruiting chamber as boris said. If you have any more questions look at my favorite links page and due some more research on mono tubs.
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Sounds good, I'll put this under my to do lists of experiments....that is when i move to amsterdam that is!!!
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Re: My Elementary Coir Tek [Re: Damion5050]
#12509857 - 05/05/10 12:24 PM (3 years, 15 days ago) |
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Im not sure what size tub that is, but what would be the ratio of spawn to verm to coir for a 19 QT tub?
Maybe 1/2 a brick coir, 3 qt of spawned wbs, 1 qt verm, and add 2 qt boiling water to brick?
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Re: My Elementary Coir Tek [Re: benbujwah]
#12510301 - 05/05/10 01:48 PM (3 years, 15 days ago) |
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Quote:
benbujwah said:
Im not sure what size tub that is, but what would be the ratio of spawn to verm to coir for a 19 QT tub?
Maybe 1/2 a brick coir, 3 qt of spawned wbs, 1 qt verm, and add 2 qt boiling water to brick?
he is using a 18 gallon tub.
1/2brick of coir and 3 quarts wbs is to much to make a mono from a 19 quart tub.
how tall is the 19 quart tub cause it should be no less then 10 inches to make a mono from.imo
cause you need 4 inches for the sub and that leaves 6 for the fruits.
i think thats even a bit short though.
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Re: My Elementary Coir Tek [Re: whyblameus]
#12510783 - 05/05/10 03:29 PM (3 years, 15 days ago) |
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I followed this tek but with a different fruiting chamber (6"x6" and about 24" tall) and with only about 2" of substrate depth. I'm impressed with the results, but I bet they would be better if I used 4" of substrate.
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Yes my tub was an 18 gallon tub and was about 3.5 inches of substrate.
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Re: My Elementary Coir Tek [Re: whyblameus]
#12522878 - 05/07/10 05:30 PM (3 years, 13 days ago) |
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thanks for the input whyblameus
The tub is 12 in tall, i have holes for gas exchange 4 inches from bottom so that leaves about 8 inches to grow, which i think should be enough, dont you?
Oh, and what i meant was 3 pints btw, not quarts. should have made that clearer... so that'd be 1 and a half quarts... or should i just go with 4 pints you think? would it be worth it? only one way to find out :P
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Re: My Elementary Coir Tek [Re: benbujwah]
#12523024 - 05/07/10 06:05 PM (3 years, 13 days ago) |
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depends.
i would just make your sub mix and use it with spawn till its how you want it.
more spawn is always good to me.
and if you have sub left over its all good coir is cheap.
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Re: My Elementary Coir Tek [Re: whyblameus]
#12523377 - 05/07/10 07:23 PM (3 years, 13 days ago) |
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Good points sir.
So now I went out and bought another 19tq tub, so i have two now.
I also went to my family's pasture and got some horse poo, so I was gonna add both that and the coir along with verm.
I was thinking since I had double the space now, i could just follow his guide to the T, adding the h-poo, and keeping the coir and verm mix and whatever I have left over I can always throw out since it barely cost me anything.
What i was mainly concerned with was the water ratio. I dont want these baby's drying out.
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Re: My Elementary Coir Tek [Re: benbujwah]
#12523894 - 05/07/10 09:21 PM (3 years, 13 days ago) |
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if your gonna use manure you cant pasteurize it the same way.
no worries though there is a very easy way to do it.
first bring your coir to field capacity of whatever just make the brick fluffy.
and crush the manure so its how you want it.
mix the coir and manure and verm and whatever else you feel like adding.
then put all that in a pillowcase and tie it.
put that in a 5 gallon bucket and pour boiling water in the bucket enough to cover the pillowcase a few inches.
its gonna want to float so you will need to weight it down.
i use a plate with a weight on it and cover the bucket.
leave it for 1.5-2 hour.
then take it out and let it drain.
i hang it above my bathtub overnight to cool and drain.
it should be just about perfect moisture the next day.
at least for me.
my subs were mostly straw with some coir and manure added so im not to sure if a sub thats not mostly straw would need any squeezing to get it to the right moisture.
i would think it will be the same though.
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Re: My Elementary Coir Tek [Re: whyblameus]
#12524004 - 05/07/10 09:42 PM (3 years, 12 days ago) |
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whyblameus said:
if your gonna use manure you cant pasteurize it the same way.
no worries though there is a very easy way to do it.
first bring your coir to field capacity of whatever just make the brick fluffy.
and crush the manure so its how you want it.
mix the coir and manure and verm and whatever else you feel like adding.
then put all that in a pillowcase and tie it.
put that in a 5 gallon bucket and pour boiling water in the bucket enough to cover the pillowcase a few inches.
its gonna want to float so you will need to weight it down.
i use a plate with a weight on it and cover the bucket.
leave it for 1.5-2 hour.
then take it out and let it drain.
i hang it above my bathtub overnight to cool and drain.
it should be just about perfect moisture the next day.
at least for me.
my subs were mostly straw with some coir and manure added so im not to sure if a sub thats not mostly straw would need any squeezing to get it to the right moisture.
i would think it will be the same though.
PERFECT! Just what i needed, thanks!!!
btw, contams r not an issue im guessing?
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Re: My Elementary Coir Tek [Re: benbujwah]
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Re: My Elementary Coir Tek [Re: whyblameus]
#12524806 - 05/08/10 12:35 AM (3 years, 12 days ago) |
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I know I basically asked you this through PM Damion5050 but I have to ask one more time...
If my math is correct (correct me if it's not,please) your coir tex of 1 brick coir 2 quarts vermiculite 4 to 4.5 quarts of boiling water only makes up about 15 quarts of coir/verm bulk substrate (I know I am not taking into consideration that vermiculite probably swells when water is added so please correct me if I am wrong).
In order for me to keep a 3.5" substrate depth I need to use approximately 25 quarts total spawn/substrate mixture so should I just do 2 bricks coir,4 quarts vermiculite,and 8-9 quarts of boiling water and then when cooled down below 80-90 degrees measure out however much I need to use?
The bricks of coir I am getting say that each brick expands to about 8 quarts so I figured (again if my math was correct,and again if not please correct me) 2 bricks + 4 quarts verm + 8-9 quarts boiling water would = 20 quarts of coir/verm to use as a bulk substrate.
I am planning on one of three ratios for my monotub....
1) 5 to 5.25 quarts rye spawn to 20 quarts coir/verm for a 1:4 ratio
2) 7.5 quarts rye spawn to 17.5 quarts coir/verm for a 1:3 ratio
3) 9 quarts rye span to 16 quarts coir/verm for a 1:2 ratio
What is my best option as far as colonizing time and not giving contams a chance to take hold?
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LOL--That's number three Hatter. How many times are you going to ask in different posts?
Seriously, THE HIGHER YOUR SPAWN/SUB RATIO THE FASTER YOUR COLONIZATION WILL BE AND THE LOWER YOUR CHANCE OF CONTAMS.
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Quote:
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LOL--That's number three Hatter. How many times are you going to ask in different posts?
Seriously, THE HIGHER YOUR SPAWN/SUB RATIO THE FASTER YOUR COLONIZATION WILL BE AND THE LOWER YOUR CHANCE OF CONTAMS.
Okay okay I get this now...the main thing I was asking damion5050 was how much coir/verm substrate his coir tek provides so I can be sure that what ever route I go I have enough coir/verm substrate and I'm not left having to go out and buy more coir or whip up a second batch.
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