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 houdinihar
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 Paddy Straw--Volvariella volvacea 
#11912385 - 01/27/10 04:59 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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hello folks,
still in the saddle and making better progress this year on my Paddy Straw mushroom(Volvariella volvacea) grows.
under normal circumstances Paddy Straw mushrooms grow relatively quickly in their native warm, humid environments, but this is the middle of winter in the U.S. so we have to make amends.
here is a borrowed photo from the web on our little SE Asian friend.
i have actually bought a spore syringe from one of our newer sponsors, MRCA, but have not used it yet. haven't had to. other friends here have supplied me with plates of this great mushroom. Additionally, i have sought out a spore print from friends in the philippines who grow them there and have rec'd it from them. haven't used that either yet.
so what have i done, if anything---thank you very much!
other than extensive reading as usual, i have successfully created hundreds of cc's of LC, plus knocked up my own homemade compost jars in 1/2 pint containers with this very same lc, but like i said these are truly tropical mushrooms and grow well in 90-100 degree heat plus as much humidity as you can pour on them. they love it. plus they don't need a temp change to induce fruiting.
i have compost ready to use after i have several hundred more cc's of lc ready. why compost and not straight straw like you read about all the time? from the many research papers i have read, even though the paddy straw mushroom will grow on unpasteurized straw, the results are poor at best, and since i have read that they are secondary decmposers, then they should do better on a compost pile anyway.
my BRF 1/2 pint jars that are really my compost are already being grown through with beautiful volariella myc even as i type, plus i have several kilos of grain spawn too.
so do you want to see some of my pics? ----here they are.
1. a couple of small lc jars growing out with 100 cc each
2. some sawdust inoculated bags--fully colonized
3. closeup of one the grow bags
4. second closeup of the other grow bag
5. now some brf compost pics--these jars were inoculated on the 22nd of January and show good mycelial expansion for being kept at 76 degrees, which is way below their optimum temps. these jars will become the background for expansion in one of my substrate test cases
6. last but not least--some closeups of these jars colonizing.
hope you enjoy this project! comments welcomed.
houdinihar
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 lipa
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 Re: Paddy Straw--Volvariella volvacea [Re: houdinihar]
#11913061 - 01/27/10 06:57 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Good luck on your grow. I would love a spore print when they are done. Please
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Re: Paddy Straw--Volvariella volvacea [Re: lipa]
#11913223 - 01/27/10 07:19 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Very cool man, I dont think I have seen this one grown on here yet.
That is a species I would like to try my hand at sometime.
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Re: Paddy Straw--Volvariella volvacea [Re: Psilocelium]
#11913519 - 01/27/10 08:09 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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This is absolutely one of my favorite mushrooms to eat in pad thai food. omfg. That pic has made me all hungry now.
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Re: Paddy Straw--Volvariella volvacea [Re: fungus_tao]
#11914614 - 01/27/10 10:47 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yum  Good luck!
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Re: Paddy Straw--Volvariella volvacea [Re: houdinihar]
#11916293 - 01/28/10 07:45 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hi Houdinihar,
The following link is very interesting and the technique described on it can increase the amount of primordia of Volvariella volvacea (use of extracts of Pleurotus ostreatus)
I tried this technique some time ago and it really works. I used dried banana leaves chopped into small pieces, which were just wetted (65%) and then were sterilized.
I believe that other raw materials also work. You could use this technique in some of the composts you made and compare the results. If you succeed, post some pictures here if you can.
This article originally came from the excellent site MushWorld.
http://forums.mycotopia.net/oyster-mushrooms/5560-increase-yield-potential-oyster-mushroom-extract.html
I hope this information could be useful for you and for anyone interested in growing this species of mushroom.
Cheers,
Wilson
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Re: Paddy Straw--Volvariella volvacea [Re: wbastz]
#11917484 - 01/28/10 02:39 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Paddy Straw--Volvariella volvacea [Re: wbastz]
#11918872 - 01/28/10 05:58 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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thanks for that link Wilson. i have now downloaded it and read it.
i read of something similar by the man that run the florida mushroom research center, stephen peele. he used a water extract of small, primodial cubensis to induce fruiting in agaricus bisporus on the beds that just would not fruit, but after the application of that cubensis extract the beds responded with fruiting.
very cool indeed.
houdinihar
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Re: Paddy Straw--Volvariella volvacea [Re: houdinihar]
#11919502 - 01/28/10 07:25 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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very nice.
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Re: Paddy Straw--Volvariella volvacea [Re: badman]
#11923877 - 01/29/10 02:12 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I AM JEALOUS!!!! I have been trying to get a decent spore print from the wild and these seem particularly dirty mushrooms every thing I did turned up more bacteria than mycelium (EVEN WITH GENTAMIACIN SULFATE!), so i decided I will have to clone it from the wild clean up the culture and make it fruit in nearly steril conditions just so i can get a viable spore print, or just buy a spore syringe! I am so tempted to just get an already claean spore syringe, i have been picking this musrhoom from the wild and selling1-2Kilos a day for a while (until they bulldozed my palm heart sawdust heap) I have started beds from stem buts wich fuly colonize really quicklyI got it fruiting a few times before th armed forces of Sw bugs, centipedes,milipedes,snails, and slugs devoured ALL of the mycelium! Now the bulldozed my spot and I cannot get enough stem buts to plant so I HAVE to produce my own spawn . though now I know how to defend agains these beasties, they are apparently totally resistent to msuhroom gnat larva at the least, now I i just got an already clean spore syringe I would be fruiting by now! maybe i should give into temptation or maybe I should stick to my guns and kee trying to get it from the wild .
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lenny,
why not just ask for some from one of the shroomery members?
i have agar plates and LC.
pm me if you want to.
houdinihar
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Re: Paddy Straw--Volvariella volvacea [Re: houdinihar]
#11946439 - 02/02/10 08:38 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Houdi
Have you ever come across any mention of being able to grow volvariella on spent oyster substrate?
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Re: Paddy Straw--Volvariella volvacea [Re: solumvita]
#11946944 - 02/02/10 11:59 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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solumvita said:
Houdi
Have you ever come across any mention of being able to grow volvariella on spent oyster substrate?
no, but since volvariella is a secondary decomposer this could be a viable possibility.
i have some phoenix oyster substrate i'm fixing to trash, so this might be a good way to salvage some of it. will keep you informed. will probably do that tomorrow actually. thanks for your thoughts solumvita.
houdinihar
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Re: Paddy Straw--Volvariella volvacea [Re: houdinihar]
#11947049 - 02/02/10 12:28 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Great, I am very glad that you will be able to try and see so quickly, if it works that will be fantastic, make more return on the same substrate!
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 Re: Paddy Straw--Volvariella volvacea [Re: houdinihar]
#12012390 - 02/11/10 11:15 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hi, I'm new to the board but have been doing a TON of reading for awhile, thanks very much to the good search feature here. I have to say this is such a valuable research tool and am really thankful for it.
Anyway, I wanted to say that I'm wanting to learn more about the home cultivation of the paddy straw mushroom too. My thanks go to houdinihar and the others who have posted here about them.
My experience is limited to a couple of the more common mushrooms, and I'm ready to learn more.
My husband and I just got our MRCA order. We have some syringes of V. volvacea and I want very much to do well by them. So, I hope to continue to learn from your experience and I'll let you know how things go from my end.
I want to see if this thing can be grown indoors, somehow, in a manageable way. Maybe it can be done, after all?? I have to say, I think it will be an uphill battle.
I am especially intrigued by the idea that it is a secondary saprophyte, and that it may do better on a substrate after it has been colonized by another fungus.
To start with, I'm wondering if having yeast in a culture medium (either liquid or agar) is a good idea for the first step.
Thanks for reading....
WR
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Re: Paddy Straw--Volvariella volvacea [Re: wildrose]
#12015321 - 02/12/10 01:58 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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wildrose said:
To start with, I'm wondering if having yeast in a culture medium (either liquid or agar) is a good idea for the first step.
No avoid yeast in the culture medium, it will hurt your grow.
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Re: Paddy Straw--Volvariella volvacea [Re: solumvita]
#12015637 - 02/12/10 03:13 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Live yeast would be a problem, but adding yeast or yeast extract to the medium before sterilizing might add vitamins or growth factors.
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Re: Paddy Straw--Volvariella volvacea [Re: houdinihar]
#12016626 - 02/12/10 05:32 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
houdinihar said:
Paddy Straw mushrooms grow relatively quickly in their native warm, humid environments, but this is the middle of winter in the U.S. so we have to make amends.
houdinihar
Nice work Houdinihar,
How about doing paddy straw as a seasonal special for those of us in a cold climate? I'm looking at GGMM and it looks good.
Cowlitz
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Re: Paddy Straw--Volvariella volvacea [Re: cowlitz]
#12018298 - 02/12/10 10:10 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thankyou for your tips...
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Re: Paddy Straw--Volvariella volvacea [Re: Jonat]
#12029109 - 02/14/10 07:45 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Jonat said:
Live yeast would be a problem, but adding yeast or yeast extract to the medium before sterilizing might add vitamins or growth factors.
yeast extract will definitely add a nitrogen source to the agar--it's something we tend to overlook, but studies have shown a positive correlation between that and greater mycelial growth. urea, CH4N2O, can be used in its place as the nitrogen source. it is like 2-5 grams per liter H20. yeast extract is pretty expensive, but i sell pure urea and it's way cheaper.
houdinihar
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