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 Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Doc_T]
#11781916 - 01/07/10 06:51 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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I agree. If I did this, which I might, I would use MS to represent and average. I would also prefer extractions cause people might metabolize the solids at different rates. I wish I could get my hand on a couple dry ounces of a B+ flush that was also bunk to do a placebo as well...You could just give an alcoholic extraction without mushrooms added but it would be interesting to see if people tripped from something others did not.
How much is a used gas chromatographic?
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Well, when you're accurate, PE's an isolate as well and as it seems a pretty potent one, which -as we know- decreases the chance for weak fruits.
Taking fruits from MS grown batches is probably likely to distort the results. An isolate of "regular" potency (though there we'd have the problem of what's regular for a certain strain, or what's regular all in all) would be fair.
I definitely do not know enough people who take mushrooms regularly enough to start a representative study. Tripping is something the surroundings have a great influence on, so the set has to be the same for every person who takes the mushrooms (which includes music etc. (so it would be better if there was no music at all, because not all people have the same taste etc.)).
There must be rules about the time they had food before the trip etc. Many things to think about first, to guarantee a -at least in a way- representative test.
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Fahkface]
#11783962 - 01/07/10 01:25 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Good points Fahk,
I think measured extractions and a (double) blind taste test would be a step in the right direction... conclusive? I dunno.
I am curious about the differences between SW's PE and THE's PE as well, since their original specimens may have come from different sources (while Ralph's PE probably came indirectly from one of the two vendors listed above).
I'd also be interested in the potency of B+ (which does seem to come up bunk from time to time... ie: the opposite of PE). B+'s famed 'bunk' flushes fascinate me as much as PE's rumored high potency.
What would be a good 'average' cube to use in the middle?
MS does seem to be the best way to go.
I'd hope the spores used would come from legit vendors instead of from trades or FSR's... just so we could better track (and trust) the 'heritage' of the spore's genetics.
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Cervantes]
#11784371 - 01/07/10 02:28 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11784347
Here's a link to the Potency Project thread I just started. Perhaps that thread will get more replies.
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Cervantes]
#11790387 - 01/08/10 02:22 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Is PESH and Hawaiian the same strain?
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: passenger]
#11790393 - 01/08/10 02:24 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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I can't confirm weather they are or they aren't... but they probably, at the very least, originated from the same genetics... and they aren't really Hawaiian. Wild Hawaiian cubes don't exist.
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Cervantes]
#11790543 - 01/08/10 02:50 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hmmm. well i got PESH and Hawaiian. I don't know what to make of that.
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: passenger]
#11790713 - 01/08/10 03:18 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Neither do I... sorry.
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 Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: passenger]
#11790802 - 01/08/10 03:33 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wait, what does PESH stand for? Its starts off "Penis Envy..." right?
I need some clarification.
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Pacifica Exotica Spora the name of the company that sold 'em.
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Cervantes]
#11796847 - 01/09/10 02:15 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think I have said this before, but I would also have to attest to the B+ strain having an intense body high with mild visuals.
I can also add my opinion on the Penis Envy strain, very, very different from the B+ strain, a LOT stronger.
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Cervantes]
#11796867 - 01/09/10 02:18 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
LogicaL Chaos said:
Wait, what does PESH stand for? Its starts off "Penis Envy..." right?
I need some clarification.
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Quote:
Cervantes said:
Pacifica Exotica Spora the name of the company that sold 'em.
PES H = hawaiian
PES A = amazonian
 
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: 13shrooms]
#11798853 - 01/09/10 08:35 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Funny, because no cubensis are native to Hawaii.
It was a marketing ploy.
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Those liers!
But I will contest I found 2 HUGE mushrooms (on different occassions) busting out of cow pies when I was living on the Big Island of Hawaii. At first, I thought they were super-mutant Pan. cyans (the common mushroom over there), but I'm pretty sure it was a wild P. cubenis of some sort. I wish I had pictures to show you, it was a very rare find but it did happen, I swear!
I wonder if there are other strains in which the source is a totally fabrication...
Hmmm...Can anyone think of any?
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Quote:
I wonder if there are other strains in which the source is a totally fabrication...
In what way? In the end all "strains" are Psilocybe cubensis with someone giving them a name. That however, doesn't mean there are any differences.
Every strain is able to produce every kind of fruit/potency. It's the same species.
Most of the "strains" are named after the area were they've been found (Koh Samui, Puerto Rico, Argentina etc.) and others were named to sound "cool"
B+, Golden Teacher, Blue Meanie etc.).
Totally fabricated "strains" are the ones from [url=http://psychedelic.com/psychedelic_cafe.htm]THIS
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Fahkface]
#11803463 - 01/10/10 04:06 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think a good in the middle one is TC. It gives a good ride while you are on.
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: mister]
#11809237 - 01/11/10 03:06 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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While I have not had my different strains for tons of grow cycles I have to say Golden Teachers are really kind of nice! Just basically good lucking guys with agreeable effect! Keepers Creeper, meh.
Next up, Cambos, more GT, Azures outside and most probably Shiitake woodplugs.
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Solipsis]
#11836423 - 01/15/10 03:40 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think PF and PE are also marketing ploys, however that PE is a nice ride for sure.
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OK. has like someone had the (aparently ultimate and best psylocybe cubenisis) Golden Mammoth? the scientific name: psilocybe aureus tantus
I cannot find any information about this ANYWHERE on the web exept for sporepod where they sell a kit for this for great experiments n scientific research. it is supposed to b a magic mushroom ofcourse but WHY is there no information other than that sporepod site on the web about this?
Has anyone tasted this?
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As Roger Rabbit will tell you..."A cube is a cube" there is nothing special about this mushrooms...Its is just an advertisement......like the infomercials that make big promises about blenders and shit that are just as good as the one you have at your house.
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