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Lucas89 said:

i say start calling mdma ecstacy, and state these random pills as containing very little mdma and a whole bunch of other shit.

dont soil the name of pure mdma with speed, meth, caffiene, bzp, ketamine and opiates by putting a bunch of all this shit into pills & calling it "ecstacy." some people will think its just plain old mdma.

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Humboldt_Hunter said:

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Lucas89 said:

i say start calling mdma ecstacy, and state these random pills as containing very little mdma and a whole bunch of other shit.

dont soil the name of pure mdma with speed, meth, caffiene, bzp, ketamine and opiates by putting a bunch of all this shit into pills & calling it "ecstacy." some people will think its just plain old mdma.

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speed and meth are the same thing... and mdma (3,4-MethylenedioxyMETHAMPHETAMINE) CONTAINS METH. so how can mdma be so pure if you dont want to soil the name with meth? that shit is made with meth.

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According to party pill manufacturer Matt Bowden, over 20 million pills containing BZP have been consumed in New Zealand with no available record attributing deaths or lasting injuries to a single ingestion of BZP.[29] Additionally, a retrospective study carried out at an Auckland emergency department found that BZP presentations only made a minor contribution to their overdose database with most cases not producing any significant toxicity.[25] Several cases where BZP individually or combined with alcohol or other medicines or illicit drugs resulting in complications exist. One such example is the well publicised case of a combination of BZP and MDMA by a 23 year old from Greymouth, New Zealand. Ben Rodham, a DJ, ingested a combination of BZP and MDMA in February 2007, which nearly resulted in his death. Rodham was put into an induced coma in an effort to prevent him from dying. He later recovered.[30]

After many millions of doses consumed worldwide, two deaths have been officially recorded in correlation with the use of BZP, although no causal relationship has been proven.[31][32] In the first case in Zurich in 2001 a 23-year-old took two BZP tablets as well as ecstasy (MDMA) and drank more than 10 litres of water in a 15-hour period, subsequently dying of cerebral edema due to hyponatremia resulting from water intoxication.[31] In the second case a male 25 year old New Zealander ingested alcohol alongside BZP and MDMA.[32] The cause of death of this individual has not been released. It is uncertain what role the BZP may have had in these deaths. MDMA is thought by some to be a contributing factor to death from hyponatremia; [24][33] it is possible that BZP may also fall into this category.

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Lucas89 said:

i say start calling mdma ecstacy, and state these random pills as containing very little mdma and a whole bunch of other shit.

dont soil the name of pure mdma with speed, meth, caffiene, bzp, ketamine and opiates by putting a bunch of all this shit into pills & calling it "ecstacy." some people will think its just plain old mdma.

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speed and meth are the same thing... and mdma (3,4-MethylenedioxyMETHAMPHETAMINE) CONTAINS METH. so how can mdma be so pure if you dont want to soil the name with meth? that shit is made with meth.

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laotzo said:
ok real short.

looking up the details is your responsibility, don't if you don't wanna.

methamphetamine is only one kind of speed.

right off the top of my head, i know of three major groups of "speed";

dexedrine (dextroamphetamines), your classic methamphetamines, and benzoamphetamines.

so speed doesn't just = meth. only for street tweakers is that true.
(well that shows my age; now days i hear most of the crap on the street isn't even up to meth standards).

also, yes, as i understand it, amphetamines are one of the precursor chemicals to make mdma.

on the other hand, at the end of the synth, it is a completely new compound.

kind of like how they use grain to make your coors light, but it isn't bread when you open up the can.


simple enuf? good

too simple? go wiki it.

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