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 Lakefingers
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To those who are not pederasts or pedophiles. Why are you not that?
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 RationalEgo
Principium Individuationis
Registered: 06/15/09
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Loc: Boston
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Lakefingers said:
I'm not educated in this area of criminology or psychology, but I thought castration was removing the testicles (producers of testosterone), ovaries or sexual organs, or to rend someone of their power. I suppose if we had very good medication, cut off a male offender's penis and testes, and beat their pedophilic drives into submission then we'll have castrated them so repeat offense is highly unlikely. We must remember though, pedophilia is not driven purely by hormones, but rather fantasy/psychological make-up and that even those castrated after puberty can get erections, have orgasms and sexual fantasies which they can act upon.
I'm not that educated on these subjects either, but what you say sounds plausible.
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Fraggin
Multi-Faceted
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 Re: Burn the Pedophiles! [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#11697614 - 12/22/09 07:36 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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AlphaFalfa said:
In a recent threat in a anonymous forum, someone brought up pedophilia in a very edgy fashion.
There were many in that thread that were spewing violent nonsense, saying disembowel them, etc. Even one was adament on these violent actions, even after a study was brought up which showed that pedophilia was premeditated by a history of being molested.
What are your thoughts on this? Why the violent rash nonsense?
Every era has a witch hunt. We can only hope that it doesn't last 220 years
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Poid
deBunker
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Loc: SF Bay Area 
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Re: Burn the Pedophiles! [Re: Fraggin]
#11698883 - 12/22/09 12:08 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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aghorrorag said:
I think horrible torture should be the punishment because I guarantee that there would be less pedophiles acting on their desirs.
"No cruel and unusual punishment."
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aghorrorag said:
For example if the punishment for taking LSD was 7 years in prison... I'd probably still do it.
Do you agree that someone who takes LSD should go to prison for 7 years?
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aghorrorag said:
If the punishment was wild animals eating me alive, and I survived... only to be shot in the head a few days later... I probably wouldn't.
Why?
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RationalEgo said:
A long sentence in jail is a sufficient punishment as we all know the kind of justice these sick individuals get in a place like that.
From what I've heard, a lot of these people get killed by prisoners when they're in prison; is that a just punishment?
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RationalEgo said:
We also now have chemical castration drugs available so when they get out of prison so we can be reassured of the unlikelihood of crimes of that nature being repeated.
"No cruel and unusual punishment."
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Fraggin said:
Every era has a witch hunt. We can only hope that it doesn't last 220 years
Perhaps it's time for the witch-hunting era to end. 
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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan   fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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AlphaFalfa
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Re: Burn the Pedophiles! [Re: Poid]
#11701329 - 12/22/09 05:24 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Poid, you will get better responses if you try and pick ONE thing or two things out, not all 7 - 10.
Icelander - I agree with all that you said, unless we have disagreements on some of the words you are using. I believe that most things are like that, even less controversial things. It is one of the most annoying things that happens in social situations, people covering their insecurities with hatred. I have no idea how to change it and find these people nearly impossible to even support for longer than one of these outlashes.
|I think these fears have alot to do with subconcious beliefs in divinity and punishment in the afterlife. I have a hard belief that most people are still christian deep down, they treat god much like they do their parents, they will stray but not to far.
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Poid
deBunker
Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,361
Loc: SF Bay Area
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Re: Burn the Pedophiles! [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#11701343 - 12/22/09 05:26 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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AlphaFalfa said:
Poid, you will get better responses if you try and pick ONE thing or two things out, not all 7 - 10.
It's what I do.
I guess some people just aren't here to debate...
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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Mr. Mushrooms
Spore Print Collector
Registered: 05/25/08
Posts: 13,018
Loc: Registered: 6/04/02
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Re: Burn the Pedophiles! [Re: Poid]
#11724817 - 12/27/09 06:23 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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MarkostheGnostic
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Registered: 12/09/99
Posts: 8,634
Loc: South Florida
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Re: Burn the Pedophiles! [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#11725570 - 12/27/09 10:09 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Violent reactivity is a good indicator of past victimization. When my Lady's mother said that her friend walked out on the movie 'Precious,' after incestuous rape was suggested, I replied by saying that her friend was undoubtedly molested herself. The elderly lady's reaction to me was in a whisper: "How did you know?!" "Elementary, Dr. Watson."
Personally, I have to categorize the 'fiddlers' from the actual 'diddlers,' and the pedophiles from the ephebophiles, which many of you younger Shroomerites are, probably, yourselves, IF you like post-pubescent females under the age of 18 (which is the age of full sexual consent in many states). In Florida, for example, one is prohibited by law from having sex until age 16, and then with someone who is no older than 23. Age 24 constitutes felony sexual battery. At age 18, one is considered mature enough to make informed decisions and can engage in sex with anyone, unless, of course, one teaches high school and has 18 or 19 year old students. But that is a matter of 'moral turpitude,' and while legal charges may not apply, someone is gonna get fired, and prevented from working in a similar capacity.
Sex with a child under the age of 12 is a capital offense, punishable by life imprisonment. Last week, down here in south Florida, a high school boy impersonated a police officer, carrying a tin badge, handcuffs, but no uniform, and forced a 9 year old boy into a portable toilet in a park, and sodomized him, while his 7 year old sister heard him screaming from outside the port-a-potty. They identified the assailant, who wiill probably be treated as an adult, convicted, imprisoned, and subjected to exactly the same treatment he perpetrated on the child.
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Lakefingers
Registered: 08/26/05
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It's a finely oiled machinery this system of sexual abuse.
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Poid
deBunker
Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,361
Loc: SF Bay Area
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MarkostheGnostic said:
Personally, I have to categorize the 'fiddlers' from the actual 'diddlers,' and the pedophiles from the ephebophiles, which many of you younger Shroomerites are, probably, yourselves, IF you like post-pubescent females under the age of 18 (which is the age of full sexual consent in many states).
You think of sex like it's a big deal or something...
What do you think is worse: getting the shit beaten out of you, or getting raped?
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MarkostheGnostic said:
In Florida, for example, one is prohibited by law from having sex until age 16, and then with someone who is no older than 23.
Why?
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MarkostheGnostic said:
Age 24 constitutes felony sexual battery.
Even if there was no actual battery involved?
From battery - Free Online Dictionary:
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battery
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a. The act of beating or pounding.
b. Law The unlawful and unwanted touching or striking of one person by another, with the intention of bringing about a harmful contact.
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MarkostheGnostic said:
At age 18, one is considered mature enough to make informed decisions and can engage in sex with anyone, unless, of course, one teaches high school and has 18 or 19 year old students.
That's extremely stupid, IMO, and I think anyone should be allowed to have sex with anyone they want to, and whenever they both consent to do so.
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MarkostheGnostic said:
But that is a matter of 'moral turpitude,' and while legal charges may not apply, someone is gonna get fired, and prevented from working in a similar capacity.
I suppose.
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MarkostheGnostic said:
Sex with a child under the age of 12 is a capital offense, punishable by life imprisonment. Last week, down here in south Florida, a high school boy impersonated a police officer, carrying a tin badge, handcuffs, but no uniform, and forced a 9 year old boy into a portable toilet in a park, and sodomized him, while his 7 year old sister heard him screaming from outside the port-a-potty. They identified the assailant, who wiill probably be treated as an adult, convicted, imprisoned, and subjected to exactly the same treatment he perpetrated on the child.
Since the little boy probably did not consent to being sodomized, then of course the high school boy should go to jail or something, but I personally think a life sentence is ridiculous.
How about mandatory counseling and intense therapy in addition to a short prison time?
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Mr. Mushrooms said:
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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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MarkostheGnostic
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 Re: Burn the Pedophiles! [Re: Poid]
#11726271 - 12/27/09 12:13 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nothing you wrote is even worth responding to, beyond this sentence. However, as my mother used to say when I became oppositional: "Go bang your head against a wall."
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Poid
deBunker
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Loc: SF Bay Area
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What an excellent debater you are. 
Why do you think there should be special "rules" for sexuality? What is the difference between when one consents to something non-sexual, and when one consents to something that is sexual? Why does age even matter? 
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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Icelander
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Poid is something you and I can agree on.
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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OrgoneConclusion
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Registered: 04/01/07
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Re: Burn the Pedophiles! [Re: Icelander]
#11726526 - 12/27/09 01:05 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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It is important to find common ground.
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Poid
deBunker
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He's mad because I told Markos that one of his threads was pure worthless drivel.
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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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MarkostheGnostic
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Re: Burn the Pedophiles! [Re: Icelander]
#11728723 - 12/27/09 08:41 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm hearing a 16 year old questioning, 'why is the sky blue, why can't it be green?! What's wrong with green. Plants are green. Algae is green. Green is good. Why isn't the sky green?!' I don't merely want to put someone on ignore status. That distinction is reserved for someone like fivepointer. This is just annoying.
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RationalEgo
Principium Individuationis
Registered: 06/15/09
Posts: 2,012
Loc: Boston
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Re: Burn the Pedophiles! [Re: Poid]
#11728752 - 12/27/09 08:44 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Poid said:
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RationalEgo said:
A long sentence in jail is a sufficient punishment as we all know the kind of justice these sick individuals get in a place like that.
From what I've heard, a lot of these people get killed by prisoners when they're in prison; is that a just punishment?
No, its not proper justice, its prison justice and most do not get 'killed' as far as I know.
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RationalEgo said:
We also now have chemical castration drugs available so when they get out of prison so we can be reassured of the unlikelihood of crimes of that nature being repeated.
"No cruel and unusual punishment."
How is chemical castration 'cruel and unusual punishment'?
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RationalEgo
Principium Individuationis
Registered: 06/15/09
Posts: 2,012
Loc: Boston
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Re: Burn the Pedophiles! [Re: Poid]
#11728764 - 12/27/09 08:46 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Poid, what you said was more than idiotic. Do you honestly think that a person can 'consent' at any age?
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Poid
deBunker
Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,361
Loc: SF Bay Area
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Re: Burn the Pedophiles! [Re: Poid]
#11730732 - 12/28/09 09:02 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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MarkostheGnostic said:
I'm hearing a 16 year old questioning, 'why is the sky blue, why can't it be green?! What's wrong with green. Plants are green. Algae is green. Green is good. Why isn't the sky green?!' I don't merely want to put someone on ignore status. That distinction is reserved for someone like fivepointer. This is just annoying.
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Poid said:
What an excellent debater you are.
Really, I don't think it's a matter of maturity, it's just a matter of you having different opinions on this issue than I do, and you being seemingly unwilling to debate with someone whose opinions are on the other side of the coin as yours.
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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Poid
deBunker
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RationalEgo said:
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Poid said:
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RationalEgo said:
A long sentence in jail is a sufficient punishment as we all know the kind of justice these sick individuals get in a place like that.
From what I've heard, a lot of these people get killed by prisoners when they're in prison; is that a just punishment?
No, its not proper justice, its prison justice and most do not get 'killed' as far as I know.
Pedophiles are targets of violence in prisons from what I've heard & read.
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RationalEgo said:
How is chemical castration 'cruel and unusual punishment'?
You don't see how that's unusual? 
You can't see how it can be argued that it is cruel?
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RationalEgo said:
Poid, what you said was more than idiotic. Do you honestly think that a person can 'consent' at any age?
As long as they can speak, of course they can, WTF? 
For example, I could ask a toddler that is say, four years old if s/he wants to play a game with me; if s/he says yes, then that's consent right there.
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