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 Re: Burn the Pedophiles! [Re: Rahz]
#11755819 - 01/02/10 07:37 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nope, by law in the state I lived at the time he could have been prosecuted. That makes him a pedophile. On the surface he seems all right. He is in a promising career in an elite field, and his wife is happy with her association with him, but he is still a pedophile. Obviously he is a moral degenerate.
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Perhaps in the eyes of the law, but that doesn't make him a moral degenerate.
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Re: Burn the Pedophiles! [Re: Rahz]
#11755845 - 01/02/10 07:41 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Many would say he is. 
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Re: Burn the Pedophiles! [Re: Rahz]
#11755856 - 01/02/10 07:42 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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I raised him dammit, and I taught him well. I guarantee he is a moral degenerate.
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Re: Burn the Pedophiles! [Re: Icelander]
#11755909 - 01/02/10 07:57 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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I didn't make it anything. You decided to hear it that way. And if you read my other posts you would know better.
Yes, I knew better, but there are exceptions to just about everything in the social sphere. What bothers me is that I have trouble envisioning the newly post-pubescent having a nurturing sexual relationship with a mature adult. This would be a rare child. And I would question the motives of any mature adult who took it upon themselves to have a relationship with the newly post-pubescent. It's like looking for the fairy tale needle in the hay stack.
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I raised him dammit, and I taught him well. I guarantee he is a moral degenerate.
Okay, if you say so. But to my mind he wouldn't be a pedophile.
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Re: Burn the Pedophiles! [Re: Rahz]
#11755913 - 01/02/10 07:59 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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What bothers me is that I have trouble envisioning the newly post-pubescent having a nurturing sexual relationship with a mature adult.
Why does this trouble you? 
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This would be a rare child.
It wouldn't be a child, and it isn't rare at all. 
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And I would question the motives of any mature adult who took it upon themselves to have a relationship with the newly post-pubescent.
But you wouldn't question the "child's" motives? 
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Re: Burn the Pedophiles! [Re: Rahz]
#11755929 - 01/02/10 08:04 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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I didn't make it anything. You decided to hear it that way. And if you read my other posts you would know better.
Yes, I knew better, but there are exceptions to just about everything in the social sphere. What bothers me is that I have trouble envisioning the newly post-pubescent having a nurturing sexual relationship with a mature adult. This would be a rare child. And I would question the motives of any mature adult who took it upon themselves to have a relationship with the newly post-pubescent. It's like looking for the fairy tale needle in the hay stack.
And what do you base this amazing knowledge on? Just because you have a hard time imagining something?
Look I already told about one I knew of and lets face it. Nobody is going to be broadcasting this stuff.
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Re: Burn the Pedophiles! [Re: Poid]
#11755956 - 01/02/10 08:10 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why does this trouble you?
Because people lie and present false motives, and what is more common, and thus more realistic is that a man who cannot handle a woman who has a developed sense of self will prey on little girls who do not.
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It wouldn't be a child, and it isn't rare at all.
It's obvious to me that it is quite rare.
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But you wouldn't question the "child's" motives?
Not as likely. Children aren't generally held to be responsible because they don't really understand the implications of their decisions, are more likely to trust/aren't as able to read other people's intentions.
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Re: Burn the Pedophiles! [Re: Rahz]
#11755963 - 01/02/10 08:14 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why does this trouble you?
Because people lie and present false motives, and what is more common, and thus more realistic is that a man who cannot handle a woman who has a developed sense of self will prey on little girls who do not.
If it were legal, all s/he would have to say is, "Hey little girl/boy, wanna fuck?  ".
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It wouldn't be a child, and it isn't rare at all.
It's obvious to me that it is quite rare.
Why, have you fucked a few yourself or something? 
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But you wouldn't question the "child's" motives?
Children aren't generally held to be responsible...
Yes, this is true; again, though, a post-pubescent individual is not considered to be a child, in a biological sense anyways.
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...because they don't really understand the implications of their decisions...
Like a teenager doesn't understand the basic implications of having sex. 
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...are more likely to trust/aren't as able to read other people's intentions.
Um, what if it was the teenager who was the aggressor? Or do you believe that this is rare, too?
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Re: Burn the Pedophiles! [Re: Icelander]
#11755964 - 01/02/10 08:16 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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And what do you base this amazing knowledge on?
There's nothing amazing about it. Common sense.
I spent quite a lot of time around that age bracket when I was that age. I've also worked with kids, and out of many hundreds, none of them struck me as 'mature'. There were several pre and post-pubescent girls that had crushes on me, but I wouldn't construe this as emotional maturity.
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Re: Burn the Pedophiles! [Re: Rahz]
#11755969 - 01/02/10 08:19 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why does one have to be "emotionally mature" in order to enjoy the pleasures of sex?  
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Re: Burn the Pedophiles! [Re: Poid]
#11755970 - 01/02/10 08:19 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've enjoyed conversing with you in the past, but... not worth responding to.
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Re: Burn the Pedophiles! [Re: Rahz]
#11755972 - 01/02/10 08:20 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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What a great debater you are! 
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Re: Burn the Pedophiles! [Re: Poid]
#11756010 - 01/02/10 08:29 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's partly because you're asking the same shit you've already asked. Partly because I don't like your general attitude. But sure, I'm a bad debater.
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Re: Burn the Pedophiles! [Re: Rahz]
#11756023 - 01/02/10 08:32 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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And what do you base this amazing knowledge on?
There's nothing amazing about it. Common sense.
I spent quite a lot of time around that age bracket when I was that age. I've also worked with kids, and out of many hundreds, none of them struck me as 'mature'. There were several pre and post-pubescent girls that had crushes on me, but I wouldn't construe this as emotional maturity.
And what do you know about emotional maturity? You don't strike me as being that mature either.
Your "common" sense is another's idiocy.
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Re: Burn the Pedophiles! [Re: Rahz]
#11756026 - 01/02/10 08:32 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's partly because you're asking the same shit you've already asked.
I'm just responding to your words.
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Partly because I don't like your general attitude. But sure, I'm a bad debater.
It's too bad that you're projecting this imaginary attitude on me.
If a person's general attitude (whether real or imagined) gets in the way of a another person's willingness to debate, then yes, that person is a bad debater. 
I was being completely serious, I don't know what's so hard about addressing what I said. 
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Re: Burn the Pedophiles! [Re: Icelander]
#11756177 - 01/02/10 09:03 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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And what do you know about emotional maturity? You don't strike me as being that mature either.
I don't think it's reasonable to state that upon puberty any meaningful percentage of the population have the ability to see beyond their emotions, or more importantly see beyond the veneer that older people may wear. At that state, they still haven't claimed any real person hood, and self assertive behaviour is sporadic. Decisions are sporadic. Emotional bonds are prime. Everything is new. Experientially, it is impossible for them to be mature.
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Re: Burn the Pedophiles! [Re: Rahz]
#11756287 - 01/02/10 09:29 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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And what do you know about emotional maturity? You don't strike me as being that mature either.
I don't think it's reasonable to state that upon puberty any meaningful percentage of the population have the ability to see beyond their emotions, or more importantly see beyond the veneer that older people may wear.
And what makes you think that the older person is always necessarily the aggressor?
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At that state, they still haven't claimed any real person hood, and self assertive behaviour is sporadic. Decisions are sporadic. Emotional bonds are prime. Everything is new. Experientially, it is impossible for them to be mature.
Why does one have to be emotionally mature in order to enjoy the pleasures of sex?
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Re: Burn the Pedophiles! [Re: Poid]
#11756576 - 01/02/10 10:33 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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And what makes you think that the older person is always necessarily the aggressor?
I didn't say they were, but that's not the only factor in culpability. I actually appreciate laws that give young men some leeway.
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Why does one have to be emotionally mature in order to enjoy the pleasures of sex?
One doesn't. But generally speaking, in my experience of course, girls who start early and switch 'fuck buddies' frequently aren't the happy campers. The point is to give these kids a period of time to consider their new state without having dicks in their face, basically. We've already had this exchange. It's not all fun and games. I don't expect you to take my word for it though.
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