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Smeeeeg
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hahaha now why would the FDA approve of something neurotoxic for psychotherapy as opposed to LSD (non-toxic, and more effective) what a lovely world we live in! filled with great ideas and short attention span
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LSDreamer
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Re: LSD Vs. MDMA [Re: Smeeeeg]
#11708983 - 12/23/09 09:56 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Smeeeeg said: hahaha now why would the FDA approve of something neurotoxic for psychotherapy as opposed to LSD (non-toxic, and more effective) what a lovely world we live in! filled with great ideas and short attention span
LSD has been approved for research, as well.
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LaughingSoDreamy
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Smeeeeg said: hahaha now why would the FDA approve of something neurotoxic for psychotherapy as opposed to LSD (non-toxic, and more effective) what a lovely world we live in! filled with great ideas and short attention span
LSD has been approved for research, as well.
yea it has been. But the government could see facts showing a whole bunch of debunking of myths about substances and they still wouldnt give a shit.
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LSDreamer
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The drug war is a heavily entrenched policy, but it's starting to weaken somewhat. Be patient.
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Re: LSD Vs. MDMA [Re: Smeeeeg]
#11709019 - 12/23/09 10:01 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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I won't bother to argue the similarity between the two. They are both bad-ass mind blowing experiences.
To answer the original questions, I'd argue that MDMA is more harmful physically, while LSD is more harmful mentally. I've had some acid that fucked me up emotionally for weeks at a time. I've had some great X that has given me TMJ (chronic jaw pain) and terrible back-aches (over consistent long-term use).
I'd say LSD has had a more profound impact on my life. It has given me insight into deep-level secret universe type things. It makes you witness the world in a different way (good or bad).
But I'd definitely take MDMA more frequently. I personally can't handle the effects of LSD on a regular basis - it can be extremely draining to the mind and soul. X is a feel-good experience.
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LaughingSoDreamy
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the_conservatarian said: I won't bother to argue the similarity between the two. They are both bad-ass mind blowing experiences.
To answer the original questions, I'd argue that MDMA is more harmful physically, while LSD is more harmful mentally. I've had some acid that fucked me up emotionally for weeks at a time. I've had some great X that has given me TMJ (chronic jaw pain) and terrible back-aches (over consistent long-term use).
I'd say LSD has had a more profound impact on my life. It has given me insight into deep-level secret universe type things. It makes you witness the world in a different way (good or bad).
But I'd definitely take MDMA more frequently. I personally can't handle the effects of LSD on a regular basis - it can be extremely draining to the mind and soul. X is a feel-good experience.
Yes. that is very true i never have taken LSD on a daily basis, always spacing my dosing a long long time apart. So in that case i have never seen the "dark" aspects to LSD i guess you can call it. But yea LSD is more mind while MDMA is physical. LSD is more of a "mind" altering drug which it can cause bad or good, but im mainly talking about good and responsible dosing. My views on MDMA is just another drug i see nothing special or "impacting" on it at all. For MDMA brings you into a more drug addicted crowd of people aka tweakers. and after rolling i felt like shit, like depressed and just exhausted physically. There was no sense of enlightenment for me at least. idk to each his own i suppose. and for taking mdma alot is retarded, lol i wish i can show you some of the people i know who are in love with MDMA they are retarded. The most level headed people i know who have done drugs past weed are always people who do psychaedelics. The most obnoxious are Etards, and drunks. Tweakers are bad but there just fucking weird as shit not really annoying.
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Smeeeeg
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Smeeeeg said: hahaha now why would the FDA approve of something neurotoxic for psychotherapy as opposed to LSD (non-toxic, and more effective) what a lovely world we live in! filled with great ideas and short attention span
LSD has been approved for research, as well.
but what about all of its dangers :O we wouldent want to put a potentially dangerous product that could make people jump off buildings or question our divine logic into society! maps is the only program that actually is allowed to study LSD and i doubt that theyre findings are even taken into much account. it has a 50% success rate with alcoholism, it isnt used for such treatments. or for psychotherapy.
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Re: LSD Vs. MDMA [Re: Smeeeeg]
#11709181 - 12/23/09 10:25 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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I wish it were easier to get your hands on safrole in the us
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LSDreamer
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Re: LSD Vs. MDMA [Re: Smeeeeg]
#11709191 - 12/23/09 10:27 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Smeeeeg said: hahaha now why would the FDA approve of something neurotoxic for psychotherapy as opposed to LSD (non-toxic, and more effective) what a lovely world we live in! filled with great ideas and short attention span
LSD has been approved for research, as well.
but what about all of its dangers :O we wouldent want to put a potentially dangerous product that could make people jump off buildings or question our divine logic into society! maps is the only program that actually is allowed to study LSD and i doubt that theyre findings are even taken into much account. it has a 50% success rate with alcoholism, it isnt used for such treatments. or for psychotherapy.
Oh, woe! A misguided policy made some 40 years ago is only taking steps to being rectified. It isn't being repealed all at once!
Seriously, just be happy we're making progress.
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Smeeeeg
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thats true, very good idea. it would suck to be stuck in the hellholes of yester year
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Re: LSD Vs. MDMA [Re: Smeeeeg]
#11709227 - 12/23/09 10:35 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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man..should the laws be relaxed for our favorite lysergamide, some people would certainly consider its manifestation.
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Re: LSD Vs. MDMA [Re: Smeeeeg]
#16674799 - 08/10/12 02:01 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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I wanna touch on the whole fake empathy that mdma causes. It is indeed fake but its what you take after the experience that truly counts. My first lsd trip was life changing....i then tried mdma and it was just as life changing. The openness is something truly unique....something that just happens and isnt part of a process like i feel psychedelics work at! Its a truly heartwarming feeling that i hope i can feel again and pull more from. Mdma is more likely to work in a therapists office than lsd honestly in our day in age. Its what you pull after that truly matters. Me and my gf both agreed after our experience that is was "too easy" and we need to work on what we talked about for it to mean anything at all. The magic can easily be lost if you dont space out the doses to at least a few months apart. Mdma truly showed me that i have the power to accept who i am and my hardships that i face in life. I cried tears of joy "after" the experience unlike with psychedelics where i usually get those tears while the drug is doing is work. They both are amazing amazing tools. Im thankful for both experiences. they have grown me as a human being .
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KILTRO
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lsd can make you insane and send you into a psychosis (i.e a bad fucking trip)
you cant do that on mdma, even if you dose a gram in one night you will feel amazing the whole time.
and i fucking tripp major balls off mdma/mda
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2c-gLee
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Re: LSD Vs. MDMA [Re: KILTRO]
#16674894 - 08/10/12 03:02 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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KILTRO said: lsd can make you insane and send you into a psychosis (i.e a bad fucking trip)
you cant do that on mdma, even if you dose a gram in one night you will feel amazing the whole time until the day after.
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KILTRO
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Re: LSD Vs. MDMA [Re: 2c-gLee]
#16674910 - 08/10/12 03:18 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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hahaha IMO the comedown off of LSD is 100X worse than mdma
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Lucid Toast
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Re: LSD Vs. MDMA [Re: KILTRO]
#16674937 - 08/10/12 03:33 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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KILTRO said: hahaha IMO the comedown off of LSD is 100X worse than mdma
... What kind of LSD have you been taking
Some times I can straight up sleep 5hours after a drop (most of my Lucy comes in liquid)
Wile I find MDMA is harder to come off of I usually have to have a few beers to pass out.
Ps I compeatly agree with lsdreamer and everything he's said.
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KILTRO
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its the other way around with me,
most times when im rolling if i sit down and loose my self in the moment i pass out haha, mdma makes me very sloth like
lsd just fry's too hard some times its an amazing drug tho!
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enaz77
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Re: LSD Vs. MDMA [Re: KILTRO]
#16675088 - 08/10/12 05:39 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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lets forget about the (highs) effects for a minute and talk about physical damage... ive looked into lsd and mdma for a while (a long time) and from my own research all i can say is that ,at most with lsd you get some lsd build up in the spinal fluid (ONLY IN HEAVY USERS) over time.... now mdma striaght up ''eats'' microscopic holes in your brain every single time you take it... not bashing it just saying... that why you have terms like etard ..... long term use will have serious mental cons.. how you get ''enlightment'' from brain damage is beyond me...
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Lucid Toast
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Re: LSD Vs. MDMA [Re: KILTRO]
#16675102 - 08/10/12 05:50 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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KILTRO said: its the other way around with me,
most times when im rolling if i sit down and loose my self in the moment i pass out haha, mdma makes me very sloth like
lsd just fry's too hard some times its an amazing drug tho!
I've seen this before with a dude that abused opiates... Like he wasn't on opiates just MDMA.. But he would straight up pass out.
And damage wise I've only ever puked from taking too much MDMA and withdrawing..nothing apparently long term but I've only chewed threw an ounce or two of it a few years ago. LSD on the other hand has made me a panicky person from taking to much.. I know a few dudes who just ever came back.. I know that's not verry scientific but hell
-------------------- You have to let it go neo, fear, doubt. Disbelief "The menu is not the meal." Alan watts “Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Heres Tom with the Weather.” Bill Hicks
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Re: LSD Vs. MDMA [Re: enaz77] 1
#16675107 - 08/10/12 05:52 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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build up in the spinal fluid (ONLY IN HEAVY USERS) over time.... now mdma striaght up ''eats'' microscopic holes in your brain every single time you take it
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