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Istigkeit
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LSDreamer said: I really don't see how they're not similar. They both produce affect dopamine and serotonin. The body highs are comparable. MDMA produces mildly psychedelic effects and can produce visuals. Both usually have a strong positive mood push. Both can make the user highly emotional. Where are they wholly dissimilar?
LSD is more like an beautiful break open your fucking head entheogen MDMA is more like a fun drug or a happy drug that can give insights
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drr
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Re: LSD Vs. MDMA [Re: Smeeeeg]
#11693789 - 12/21/09 05:16 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not really that similar, but they are useful in the same ways. For me, they really both shine when used together. Since I've become more aquainted with LSD, MDMA just seems kinda boring on its own...it becomes very predictable and a rather shallow experience compared to the infinite possibilities of LSD
I can see why you think LSD and MDMA are similar; you've probably only taken low doses of LSD. Take a little more next time and it will feel like a completely different drug...a much more complex, frighteningly beautiful one. I mean, with MDMA, I might get some semi-visuals, like if I concentrate I can make it happen. Any decent dose of LSD and the visuals will be too apparent to ignore for me...and with higher doses it gets to be like 'holy shit, this is intense' - something MDMA may do for me physically, but not like LSD - nowhere near the depth. I suppose a low dose of LSD could seem similar to MDMA though. The light feeling, the euphoria. You just need to eat more and see the true nature of the beast.
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LSDreamer
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Re: LSD Vs. MDMA [Re: drr]
#11694222 - 12/21/09 06:23 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why do you assume someone has only taken low doses of LSD if they find the two drugs comparable?
I've gotten plenty of insights from MDMA btw.
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Re: LSD Vs. MDMA [Re: drr]
#11694252 - 12/21/09 06:27 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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drr said: Not really that similar, but they are useful in the same ways. For me, they really both shine when used together. Since I've become more aquainted with LSD, MDMA just seems kinda boring on its own...it becomes very predictable and a rather shallow experience compared to the infinite possibilities of LSD
I can see why you think LSD and MDMA are similar; you've probably only taken low doses of LSD. Take a little more next time and it will feel like a completely different drug...a much more complex, frighteningly beautiful one. I mean, with MDMA, I might get some semi-visuals, like if I concentrate I can make it happen. Any decent dose of LSD and the visuals will be too apparent to ignore for me...and with higher doses it gets to be like 'holy shit, this is intense' - something MDMA may do for me physically, but not like LSD - nowhere near the depth. I suppose a low dose of LSD could seem similar to MDMA though. The light feeling, the euphoria. You just need to eat more and see the true nature of the beast.
drr i completely agree, you've laid out the clear distinctions that i didn't really get into. i have to support you here and reiterate, lsd is in a completely different league of experience than mdma, period.
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drr
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LSDreamer said: Why do you assume someone has only taken low doses of LSD if they find the two drugs comparable?
I've gotten plenty of insights from MDMA btw.
Because high doses of LSD are NOTHING like MDMA
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Re: LSD Vs. MDMA [Re: drr]
#11694580 - 12/21/09 07:16 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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And so that makes the two wholly incomparable? I just think it's ridiculous to call the two completely incomparable and completely unrelated.
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LSD and MDMA are somewhat similar,so YES. People overlook the fact they are similar bc LSD causes much more profound effects at higher doses. At certain doses they are quite similar but once high doses are introduced the gap in effects becomes wide. LSD and MDMA both manipulate the relase of serotonin and dopamine and both work off the 5-HT receptors.
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Smeeeeg
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Smeeeeg said: Yes. but they are simmilar in effects and simmilar in popularity. in the 60's LSD was the fad MDMA was more 90's to today's fad. has neurotoxicity been proven yet in MDMA? thats a pretty contraversial subject
MDMA's neurotoxicity is only controversial in those who want to justify abusing MDMA.
Hahahahaha touche!
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greenspectral said: definitely not similar at all. the only similarity i see is that both have stimulant properties, that's where it ends. similar effects? gotta be fucking kidding me dude...i'm wondering if you've even had the full lsd experience if you think that's the case...
WRONG WRONG WRONG.
oh yes, you bet ive had a full LSD experience, and what it was cannot be described with human grunting noises. LSD is an amplifier of the biological languages. LSD and MDMA definately house more than just stimulant properties, theyre both very empathogenic, very stimulating, and psychedelic. but still, in a way they can be considered different, but not entirely different. its like looking at a lemon and a lime, they both have theyre own distinctive flavors, but they can still be considered similar.
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drr
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LSDreamer said: And so that makes the two wholly incomparable? I just think it's ridiculous to call the two completely incomparable and completely unrelated.
didn't say that at all...
My guess is that you're not too well aquainted with a whopping dose of LSD either, if you find them all that similar...
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Re: LSD Vs. MDMA [Re: drr]
#11707298 - 12/23/09 04:38 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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drr said:
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LSDreamer said: And so that makes the two wholly incomparable? I just think it's ridiculous to call the two completely incomparable and completely unrelated.
didn't say that at all...
My guess is that you're not too well aquainted with a whopping dose of LSD either, if you find them all that similar...
I'm definitely more than familiar with large doses of LSD.
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Re: LSD Vs. MDMA [Re: drr]
#11707308 - 12/23/09 04:39 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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drr said:
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LSDreamer said: And so that makes the two wholly incomparable? I just think it's ridiculous to call the two completely incomparable and completely unrelated.
didn't say that at all...
My guess is that you're not too well aquainted with a whopping dose of LSD either, if you find them all that similar...
Look, there's no question that there is, at the very least, a chemical similarity between the two.
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Istigkeit said: LSD is more like an beautiful break open your fucking head entheogen MDMA is more like a fun drug or a happy drug that can give insights
Dude... I like you, but... you've never even tried any psychedelics.
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drr
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Re: LSD Vs. MDMA [Re: NetDiver]
#11707321 - 12/23/09 04:42 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Samurai Drifter said:
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drr said:
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LSDreamer said: And so that makes the two wholly incomparable? I just think it's ridiculous to call the two completely incomparable and completely unrelated.
didn't say that at all...
My guess is that you're not too well aquainted with a whopping dose of LSD either, if you find them all that similar...
Look, there's no question that there is, at the very least, a chemical similarity between the two.
I suppose I can agree with that...Though maybe in terms of effects, not chemically...I think they're pretty different in that regard:)
Not trying to argue
Its just that theres also no question that a full dose LSD is terrifyingly more intense and complex than MDMA could ever be. And that is all the difference in the world. MDMA is practically bad trip proof. Its like a stimulant with a little psychedelic twist. I'd say probably 50 mics or so, quite comparable to MDMA. More than 100, not comparable at all - totally different ballparks.
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Re: LSD Vs. MDMA [Re: drr]
#11707338 - 12/23/09 04:45 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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I reach states of infinite love and euphoria on both MDMA and LSD. Also, MDMA, despite popular belief, is definitely not bad trip proof. It can make users highly emotional and those emotions aren't always positive.
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drr
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Comparable, yes, but very very different.
I've had a bad trip on MDMA too. But it was no big deal. You shrug off a bad MDMA trip. Its like a shitty mood.
I dont care how many pills you take, you aren't going to experience ego death with MDMA, or if you do, you're probably in danger of real physical death. Yes, similar emotions on them. But altogether effects are worlds apart, you have to admit. Unless of course you've only taken a hit or two of acid, in which case I understand - I used to think they were more similar as well. Take more next time and tell me how similar they are really...
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Re: LSD Vs. MDMA [Re: drr]
#11707389 - 12/23/09 04:56 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hmmm, I guess 9 hits of acid is a small dose?
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Re: LSD Vs. MDMA [Re: Smeeeeg]
#11707390 - 12/23/09 04:56 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Smeeeeg said: has neurotoxicity been proven yet in MDMA? thats a pretty contraversial subject
actually, it has. and denial is part of that 90's fad, but the science has caught up.
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piracetam
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oh yeah...and they are somewhat similar in effects, because they're both serotonergic. LSD just happens to affect more neurotransmitter systems.
p.s. lsd > mdma
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Beanhead
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Whoa, whoa LSD VS MDMA?
They collide so well together
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thedudenj
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Re: LSD Vs. MDMA [Re: Beanhead]
#11707507 - 12/23/09 05:15 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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mix em
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drr
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LSDreamer said: Hmmm, I guess 9 hits of acid is a small dose?
No, not at all. But didnt those 9 hits blow your mind beyond anything MDMA could possibly have done?
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