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Doc_T
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: dicky21]
#11676586 - 12/18/09 05:44 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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With a gay lid.
LOLLLLLLL
I think we're going to need pics of the lid.
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joska87
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: jenns_hot]
#11676794 - 12/18/09 06:15 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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jenns_hot said: tub in tub incubators
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tugwax
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: noobieshroomie]
#11676916 - 12/18/09 06:36 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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noobieshroomie said: i disagree with the lighting, try growing with an incandescent light bulb and tell me ho well it turns out
also the wood chips, try growing on cedar and pine mixed ant tell me those results as well
-noobie-
If heated air in an enclosed space can be eliminated then incandescent will work. There is quite a spread of blue spectra in incandescent.
Agreed that fluorescent is the WTG, just not to waste resources over the color temp which is misleading with fluoros anyway.
I did a side by side spawn run with pure beech compared to mixed woods from the English countryside including conifer. Mixed colonized significantly faster. I'll let you know next year how the mixed fruited.
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wygram
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: Cloneufc]
#11676920 - 12/18/09 06:37 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cloneufc said: Just use manure and gypsum for the PF tek. Manure is free. No need to spend money on brown rice flour, its expensive. You dont even need verm. You'll get bigger mushrooms and wont cost anything.
How do you figure? Manure is a bulk substrate and as such it must be used in bulk. It won't produce much in a 1/2 pint jar, BRF and verm will rock manure in PF tek anyday. Not to mention you'll probably have a really shitty time starting spores directly on bulk.
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noobieshroomie said: i disagree with the lighting, try growing with an incandescent light bulb and tell me ho well it turns out
also the wood chips, try growing on cedar and pine mixed ant tell me those results as well
-noobie-
If heated air in an enclosed space can be eliminated then incandescent will work. There is quite a spread of blue spectra in incandescent.
Agreed that fluorescent is the WTG, just not to waste resources over the color temp which is misleading with fluoros anyway.
Noobie has this right. Incandescents are crap as a source of light and they have totally the wrong spectrum. Fluorescent ratings are not misleading. You want cool white or daylight color temps, which put off the blue light that mushrooms wants.
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noobieshroomie
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: Doc_T]
#11677054 - 12/18/09 07:03 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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With a gay lid.
LOLLLLLLL
I think we're going to need pics of the lid.
i googled gay lid http://www.lidbrooklyn.org/
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sansa
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: tugwax]
#11677254 - 12/18/09 07:37 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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tugwax said: If heated air in an enclosed space can be eliminated then incandescent will work. There is quite a spread of blue spectra in incandescent.
Agreed that fluorescent is the WTG, just not to waste resources over the color temp which is misleading with fluoros anyway.
I did a side by side spawn run with pure beech compared to mixed woods from the English countryside including conifer. Mixed colonized significantly faster. I'll let you know next year how the mixed fruited.
The charts suggest incandescents have very little in the blue spectrum.
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.edinformatics.com/inventions_inventors/300px-Incandescent_flashlight_spectrum.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.edinformatics.com/inventions_inventors/flashlight.htm&h=232&w=300&sz=5&tbnid=v_nkSdo6sDcwvM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=116&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dincandescent%2Bspectrum&usg=__-zdjPNKd84SlfRI7Mmq3q5JYULc=&ei=7zssS--WJMXSngfxwtTuCA&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=3&ct=image&ved=0CAoQ9QEwAg
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badman
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: sansa]
#11677330 - 12/18/09 07:51 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wood chips cmon a fiver for 56L id pay that just so i dont have to trek it to the Kent countryside to collect some and ringing the council for wood mulch is fucking long in fact dealing with the council is long no matter what you to do.
Manure is only dried so it can be stored
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ambargh
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: sansa]
#11677336 - 12/18/09 07:53 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Weak, little red-spectrum incandescent bulb, or badass mother F'n blue-spectrum daylight bulbs - your choice.
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tugwax
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: badman]
#11677552 - 12/18/09 08:34 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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badman said: Wood chips cmon a fiver for 56L id pay that just so i dont have to trek it to the Kent countryside to collect some and ringing the council for wood mulch is fucking long in fact dealing with the council is long no matter what you to do.
Ah you haven't covered much of your garden then. It's £30 for 3000L The other side of the tunnel.
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badman
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: tugwax]
#11677572 - 12/18/09 08:37 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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badman said: Wood chips cmon a fiver for 56L id pay that just so i dont have to trek it to the Kent countryside to collect some and ringing the council for wood mulch is fucking long in fact dealing with the council is long no matter what you to do.
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tugwax said: Ah you haven't covered much of your garden then. It's £30 for 3000L The other side of the tunnel.
You got a phone number?
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tugwax
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: badman]
#11677685 - 12/18/09 08:59 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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badman said: You got a phone number?
http://www.treefella.co.uk/ Dont forget to take a truck!
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4trouble
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: Doc_T]
#11679282 - 12/19/09 06:00 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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With a gay lid.
LOLLLLLLL
I think we're going to need pics of the lid.
Like this?
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dxharms
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: 4trouble]
#11679482 - 12/19/09 08:04 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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nice pink ribbon. you keep your mycelium fresh.
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VictoriaPandora
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: dxharms]
#11679543 - 12/19/09 08:34 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Man, I hope no noobs read this. Glove box is a waste of time. Surgical mask, waste of money. Making manure PF cakes, not providing the right light. Wow.
I agree incubators are a waste though.Oh and spraying lysol before fanning, yeah not only a waste but bound to make your fruits unhappy I would think.
Awww, that gay lid is cute;)
Edited by VictoriaPandora (12/19/09 08:35 AM)
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RogerRabbit
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: tugwax]
#11679615 - 12/19/09 09:01 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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tugwax said: Here's the beginnings of list of things that I've read in the forum that aren't really necessary or involves excessive expense. Please add your own!
Trying to find lights with just the right color temperature.
Agreed, provided that a 50% or better increase in harvest weight for the next five or six years isn't worth a couple of quid/$3 for the correct spectrum lamp. For most of us, the payoff on buying a natural daylight fluorescent or LED lamp comes on the very first harvest.
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tugwax said: Automatic moisture delivery or FAE for a small grow. I myself fell into this OTT solution for just 9 cakes. Even though it was successful I soon reverted to manual methods with greater yield. Now the timers, air pump and fogger are gathering dust, £70 wasted.
Agreed. Been saying it for years regarding terrariums. Save the humidifiers and timers for a mini-greenhouse.
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tugwax said: Trying to find hardwood chips when any old mixed stuff will do.
Not so. While softwoods will colonize faster because they're less dense, fruiting performance is substantially reduced. Mixed woods are OK if the majority of material comes from hardwood sources, with just a few conifers tossed in. If you want to use Pine, chip it up and let it sit in the sun for a year before use. However, it will still underperform hardwood. RR
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badman
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: tugwax]
#11679648 - 12/19/09 09:12 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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badman said: You got a phone number?
http://www.treefella.co.uk/ Dont forget to take a truck!
Good link but i think a truck load is way too much 56L will keep me occupied for months. It would be useful for a commercial grow op.
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Cloneufc
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: wygram]
#11680007 - 12/19/09 10:38 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cloneufc said: Just use manure and gypsum for the PF tek. Manure is free. No need to spend money on brown rice flour, its expensive. You dont even need verm. You'll get bigger mushrooms and wont cost anything.
How do you figure? Manure is a bulk substrate and as such it must be used in bulk. It won't produce much in a 1/2 pint jar, BRF and verm will rock manure in PF tek anyday. Not to mention you'll probably have a really shitty time starting spores directly on bulk.
Sorry to burst your bubble but cubes will grow on anything. Ive done the PF tek with BRF and it was a waste of time. I did the PF tek many times with just manure and gypsum. There was no difference in speed but there was a difference in the size. The manure cubes were bigger.I have yet to see any substrate beat manure. I have even done the PF with just straw. Cube spores germinate all the same no matter what substrate you use. I have even used quart jars with just manure as spawn and everything turned out just fine. Cubes are just not particular. Until you have tried these experiments you cant talk, your just pointing fingers.
Edited by Cloneufc (12/19/09 10:39 AM)
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bw86
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: joska87]
#11680057 - 12/19/09 10:48 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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jenns_hot said: tub in tub incubators
tits work and have saved my jars in times of (no money for oil) but they can also be horrible- when the heat is back on ) they do hold there place in mycology
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tugwax
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: RogerRabbit]
#11680213 - 12/19/09 11:16 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said:
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tugwax said: Here's the beginnings of list of things that I've read in the forum that aren't really necessary or involves excessive expense. Please add your own!
Trying to find lights with just the right color temperature.
Agreed, provided that a 50% or better increase in harvest weight for the next five or six years isn't worth a couple of quid/$3 for the correct spectrum lamp. For most of us, the payoff on buying a natural daylight fluorescent or LED lamp comes on the very first harvest.
Suppose we examine two types of tube, a warm white and a daylight. Both tubes have the same blue end phosphors but the warm white has extra red end phosphor cocktails to bring the color temperature down.
Is consensus saying this extra red output somehow negates the effect of the blue for the mushroom?
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dgls_jms
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Re: The things people do for their grow that are a waste of time/money [Re: tugwax]
#11680285 - 12/19/09 11:33 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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id say a glovebox is a waste considering i never use one and rarely if ever get a contamination
I agree, I do all my work on a cookie sheet, door open to a hot oven. Is a little warm but hasn't failed me yet.
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