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OfflineYouInfoIt
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grocery store poppy seeds
    #1157811 - 12/20/02 12:14 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

well last year i grew a bunch of poppies from the seeds(blue ones) in the bulk bins there hoping to extract a little latex. but it was a disapointment, there was a little but nothing like my friend who had a specialized cultivar, they were just dripping with latex.
i don't think i will try growing the blue seeded grocery store poppies again but i recently found out they also sell white seeds. has anyone tried these for opium production? i'm hoping to avoid paying much$$ in my quest to grow opium poppies.


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Re: grocery store poppy seeds [Re: YouInfoIt]
    #1157981 - 12/20/02 01:23 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

you gotta remember, the seeds at the store are from plants that have been bred to produce seeds, so you should expect less opium.
id just order some from an online site.


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Re: grocery store poppy seeds [Re: AJ420]
    #1158176 - 12/20/02 03:03 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I don't think that's true. Seeds are generally a byproduct of the opium industry.


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Re: grocery store poppy seeds [Re: zeta]
    #1158186 - 12/20/02 03:09 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

ive heard otherwise, you could be right though.


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Re: grocery store poppy seeds [Re: YouInfoIt]
    #1159682 - 12/21/02 08:25 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I've never seen opium poppy seeds at any store(besides on the net). especially at a grocery store. Do you live in the U.S.?? There are many different kinds of poppies that don't produce any opium but do produce some kind of latex. This may be a stupid question but are you sure you got opium poppy seeds and not something like oriental poppy?


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Re: grocery store poppy seeds [Re: Dr. Slavic]
    #1159752 - 12/21/02 09:06 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Farmers would buy the Przemko seeds in Borowo, which is the only place in Poland where you can legally purchase seeds for sowing, in order to have the receipt. But instead of sowing them they ate them and illegally sowed regular imported seeds available at most grocery shops. They could get away with this because the Przemko poppy is virtually indistinguishable from the high-morphine varieties.





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Powerless Flowers

In an effort to combat the kompot, Polish scientists have developed a variety of drug-free poppy.
Two new strains of poppy have recently been bred in Poland. Along with making the fields more colorful they will also make life more difficult for those who use poppies as a source of narcotic. "The two new strains, which were registered on Feb. 9, may soon replace the currently used variations and will make morphine extraction uneconomic," says Jacek Liersch, head of the team of scientists from the Pozna?-based Plant Breeding and Acclimatization Institute which cultivated the new poppies.

The new cultivars are ready to replace the old variation, which provides material for drug addicts. The old poppies with red flowers have stems containing 1 percent morphine. To extract the morphine the stems are cut and boiled to produce a potent narcotic popularly known as kompot. Most of the drug is found in the first five centimeters of stalk below the head. The new strains, dubbed Mieszko and Micha?ko, contain only 0.04 percent morphine. "These are low-morphine cultivars with only trace elements of the substance in their stalks. Trying to extract it is simply not worthwhile," Liersch explains, adding that according to unofficial data, the extraction of the drug is only profitable when the stems contain at least 0.2 percent morphine. "Anyway, it's a drug for the poorest addicts, most of them now use more expensive synthetic products," he notes. Bogus?awa Bukowska from the Drug Abuse Office at Police Headquarters agrees that such a trend exists. "More and more often young people are using drugs which are-so to say-state-of-the-art," she says.

Anyone will be able to recognize the new cultivars. Mieszko has pink flowers, whereas Micha?ko has a white one. At first glance, their stalks and leaves do not differ from the typical poppy. "I have to take a close look to tell the difference between the old and the new variations, when they have no flowers," admits Liersch. To check on which breed of poppy is being cultivated where, it will be enough to send officials and police officers to the poppy fields in July, when the plant is in blossom. "Thanks to the new colors the man in the street could easily distinguish the variations. The task for the police will be easy," says Liersch.

Costs of replacing the high-morphine variations with the new strains should not be too high. The seeds are not more expensive than the old ones and the yields are similar provided the soil is of the same high quality required by old varieties.

Work on the new cultivars lasted almost 10 years and was conducted under the leadership of Liersch and his colleague from Borowo, also in the Wielkopolska region, El?bieta Szymanowska. While they worked in the labs they were helped by a handful of technicians who spent much of their time out in the fields. "Sometimes I went with them," adds Liersch. "I really enjoy the work in the open air." Liersch was responsible for Micha?ko, while Szymanowska was behind Mieszko. The two variations were based on a former cultivar, Przemko, the first breakthrough in poppy breeding which appeared in 1990. It too contained a low level of morphine.

Przemko soon appeared in the fields, but failed to replace the drug-producing variation which is popular among some farmers because of the money they can make from illegally selling their crop to drug producers. Farmers would buy the Przemko seeds in Borowo, which is the only place in Poland where you can legally purchase seeds for sowing, in order to have the receipt. But instead of sowing them they ate them and illegally sowed regular imported seeds available at most grocery shops. They could get away with this because the Przemko poppy is virtually indistinguishable from the high-morphine varieties. Even the specialists find it difficult to tell them apart.

Liersch's institute has long been working on new variations of poppy. "We have tried to increase their immunity and yield," he explains. After the collapse of communism, however, the existence of drug addiction in Poland, until then a taboo subject, was made public. "The Ministry of Agriculture provided us with a grant to create a low-morphine poppy," he says. They received zl.500,000 from the Scientific Research Committee (KBN), which allowed them to proceed faster and to test a wider range of cultivars. Then they could select the ones worth working on. At first they came up with new forms of poppy with pink and white flowers, but their yield was dramatically low. Only with Mieszko and Micha?ko did they achieve a yield comparable to the old poppy.

The new variations were ready in 1996, but the team had to wait for certification from the Cultivated Plants Research Center (COBORU). The tests took more than two years, but after the first 12 months the team heard unofficially that the new strains would be approved.

Even before formal registration of the poppies, customers from Germany and Sweden were asking for the new seeds. "We had to refuse them because we still have to propogate the material. We have too little of it for Poland's needs, so we can't sell any on yet," Liersch explains. At present, however, they are selling Przemko seeds to Germany, the Czech Republic and Slovakia.

Poland is one of the world's main poppy producers. Production takes place in the Kujawy region in the north of the country, large areas of the Wielkopolska region in the west, some parts of central Poland and in the "poppy region" of Ma?opolska in the south. Poppy fields are strictly registered. The Ministry of Agriculture selects provinces where they may be grown and then the respective provincial governors decide which communes may carry out cultivation.

"Poppy breeding is a Slavic domain," says Liersch. The Czech Republic, Slovakia, Ukraine, Russia and Hungary are other centers of the technology. Poppies are also produced in Australia, Tasmania, Syria, Pakistan and India, but specifically for morphine production. "So they would appreciate an extremely high-morphine strain, not a low-morphine one," Liersch says.

The names of the new strains were not easy to think up. "I guess such problems are typical to all new inventions," says Liersch. Inspiration came from the history of the Pozna? region. "Przemko comes from Przemys? I and II, historical dukes of the area," he explains. Continuing the historical trend the name Mieszko comes from the first historically documented ruler of Poland. "Only my own poppy, Micha?ko, has a name related to me personally. Micha? was the name of my late brother-in-law who took many photographs of my plants," Liersch adds.

After a decade of hard work the team has at last achieved success. But rather than rest on their laurels they continue to experiment with other strains. A year ago they submitted a new variety to COBORU which they hope will be registered soon, making the fields even more diversified.

"My mother baked a poppy-seed cake with the new seeds and it tasted delicious," says Liersch. "Our work has lived up to expectations."



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Re: grocery store poppy seeds [Re: Dr. Slavic]
    #1160274 - 12/21/02 02:05 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

The poppy seeds they sell in stores for cooking ARE opium poppy seeds, but as AJ said, they have been bred for their seed producing characteristics, not their opium producing potential.


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Re: grocery store poppy seeds [Re: Gumby]
    #1160487 - 12/21/02 04:27 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

The potency of the seeds you get in groceries varies, some are less useful, some are rather great. Just try different labels until you find one that give u some good harvestin :> They are usually cheap too, paid like 2 bucks for 200grams. Oh, and u can make tea out of the seeds too btw, search the forum for my opium seed tea info. Need alot of seeds though. And remember the lemon juice. :>


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Re: grocery store poppy seeds [Re: Gumby]
    #1160507 - 12/21/02 04:41 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I've read that the grocery store seed companies
get their seeds from a wide variety of sources.
Mainly being drug companies that grow the poppies
for the different drugs they contain. (morphine,
codiene, ect...) Different strains have been bred to
contain more of 1 drug and not the others.


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Re: grocery store poppy seeds [Re: YouInfoIt]
    #1160594 - 12/21/02 05:20 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Grocery Store Seeds SUCK!!!! find a reputable dealer online or I have purchased many high quality seeds on E-BAY!!! Read, Read, Read!!!!!! you will find!


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    #1161025 - 12/21/02 09:22 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: grocery store poppy seeds [Re: matts]
    #1163504 - 12/22/02 11:35 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Theres' a seed exchange forum over at "poppies.org" Lots of decent folks to help you. Don't bother asking which strain is best over there..just read,its been asked before quite a few times.


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Re: grocery store poppy seeds [Re: YouInfoIt]
    #1168786 - 12/25/02 04:21 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Like matts said, asian grocery stores are the place to go. I also find health food stores with bulk herbs usually have great opium poppy seeds as well.


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Re: grocery store poppy seeds [Re: Dr. Slavic]
    #1169100 - 12/25/02 08:08 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

well, i know for a fact that the blue seeds are indeed papaver somniferum and they have been avaliable at all the grocery stores i've went to, in the bulk or spice sections.
any word on the latin name for the white seeds?

i'm going to take a look at the poppies.org forum...

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Re: grocery store poppy seeds [Re: YouInfoIt]
    #1170075 - 12/25/02 05:24 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Opium poppy seeds can also be white,tan and as you mentioned,blue. But so can ornamental poppies. The tip on buying the seeds from an asian food store may be great,but why not get a variety you're sure of?esp. if you're going to devote any amount of time to their growth.Hen & Chick poppies are beautiful as well as having other fine qualities :wink:
They are really a fine choice and usually not that hard to find. I don't grow anymore because of nosy neighbors,but if I did..it would be the H&Cs'!! Also..it was mentioned,check Ebay!!
http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2F&krd=1&from=R8&MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&ht=1&SortProperty=MetaEndSort&query=opium+poppy


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Re: grocery store poppy seeds [Re: Pinhead]
    #5326818 - 02/22/06 03:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

that article is BS. there are all sorts of colors of opium poppies growing in all sorts of gardens. Most varieties used to produce opium are pink flowered anyways, at least from what i've seen. The most common red poppy is papaver rhoeas. Its seeds are sold at home depot.


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Re: grocery store poppy seeds [Re: LoveLeafGarden]
    #5327090 - 02/22/06 05:20 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That thread's from 2002  :wink:


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