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“The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody”
#11555641 - 11/30/09 01:40 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Wondering what everyone thinks of this Ram Dass quote? I think it's an interesting idea.

ive thought of the idea before that people fail th game of life when they start worrying about it...

cant wait till i can lose my ego again so i can become nobody :crazy2:

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: skatealex2]
#11555665 - 11/30/09 01:42 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

What "game"? :confused:

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: Poid]
#11555672 - 11/30/09 01:44 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

i think Ram Dass refers to 'the game' as th ego and the game of life

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: skatealex2]
#11555734 - 11/30/09 01:52 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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skatealex2 said:
Wondering what everyone thinks of this Ram Dass quote? I think it's an interesting idea.

ive thought of the idea before that people fail th game of life when they start worrying about it...

cant wait till i can lose my ego again so i can become nobody

Well then he hasn't won the game either. Realizing one is no more important than an ant is one thing but acting in the world as if you are nobody is a disaster waiting to happen. We all need to compete and survive on some level.

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Re: ?The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody? [Re: Icelander]
#11555757 - 11/30/09 01:56 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

mayb ram dass was saying this shit for all th hippies that were following him

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: skatealex2]
#11555972 - 11/30/09 02:28 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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i think Ram Dass refers to 'the game' as th ego and the game of life

I guess he means that the ultimate goal of the "game" is to not take who you are too seriously. :justdontknow:

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: skatealex2]
#11556053 - 11/30/09 02:40 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

To become is a process, so there must be an alternate state. I would say when we are born, we are about as close to "nobody" as we will get.
So it is obvious you must "become somebody", to then be able to "become nobody" again.

It is just emphasis, who says which part is more important, being somebody, or being nobody?

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: skatealex2]
#11556099 - 11/30/09 02:46 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

I think by "game" he is referring to the social game we all must play in order to be accepted into society. The cultural hoops you must jump through...whether its simple politeness and etiquette, or figuring out a way to make more than the average dollar.

As for this dudes quote....its hard to catch his meaning without more context. Maybe he means that for most people, the game makes you feel like a nobody because its so difficult to get ahead?

I have to agree w/ Icelander that if you act like a nobody, then you will get no where. Without ambition and confidence then how will you ever be able to cease opportunities that will make you successful?

Unless by "nobody" he simply means "self-less"....which one can still be ambitious to help others, and succeed. That is arguably still a form of self-satisfaction though....

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: BrainChemistry]
#11557890 - 11/30/09 06:59 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

my problem with RAm Dass philosophy is that i dont think a lot of it works in th modern society that we have today. tho it might sound nice

for him, all he has to do is be himself and sell books on these ideas... people seem to look up to him as a spiritual leader tho and be here now is legendary , but i agree to be successful, it often requires an ego or to be 'selfless' but that is still self serving in a way

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: skatealex2]
#11558204 - 11/30/09 07:44 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Be patient, if death is the end, and you are not immortal, then you will be nobody soon enough.

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: skatealex2]
#11558444 - 11/30/09 08:23 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

I see it as a sorta of nonsensical phrase. 'becoming nobody' is akin to saying 'thinking about nothing'- in both cases, if there is still somthing to become or think than is nothingness really acheived?

I will never be able to know if I have acheived egoloss, because if I truly do acheive egoloss then there is no experience or memory.

But I guess what he means by it is that life is not about become rich and powerful, a 'somebody'- and instead about losing the ego and realizing we are nobody in the sense that we are not important.

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: Icelander]
#11558544 - 11/30/09 08:36 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

"Well then he hasn't won the game either. Realizing one is no more important than an ant is one thing but acting in the world as if you are nobody is a disaster waiting to happen. We all need to compete and survive on some level."

We really don't need to, we always have the option of death.

I think what Ram Das meant by being "nobody" is important here. I can't say I know for sure, but I can understand a way in which he might have meant it that doesn't sound too socially irresponsible.

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: xFrockx]
#11558607 - 11/30/09 08:41 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

We really don't need to, we always have the option of death.

I'll leave that one to you. :lol:

I saw him "in concert" several years ago. He had a plenty big ego.

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: Icelander]
#11558646 - 11/30/09 08:45 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

I find most do in the end. But they can still have some insight tucked into the rest of their words.

The only spiritual leader I've never sensed a huge ego from is the dalai lama. the rest i only listen with one ear to.

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#11558710 - 11/30/09 08:51 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

We can learn from everyone IMO.

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: Icelander]
#11558713 - 11/30/09 08:51 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

"I'll leave that one to you. :lol:

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I'm the kind of person who would put a loaded gun to my head with the my finger on the trigger and the safety off and not even feel anxious.

Sure as shit wouldn't pull it though.

"The only spiritual leader I've never sensed a huge ego from is the dalai lama. the rest i only listen with one ear to. "

This is because he never had a need for an ego, he's been the llama since he was a kid. That's a big part of why that system works so well, it produces people who really have nothing to strive for and nothing better to do. In other words, enlightened, lol.

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: Icelander]
#11558717 - 11/30/09 08:51 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

ram dass gets this idea from buddha... it is very standard. it is easy to be someone. it is hard to detatch yourself from self identifiers

but i agree that merely attempting to do this is defining yourself in a certain way (as indefined) so it contains an implicit contradiction

but only if you take it as an absolute thing, as opposed to a trajectory

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: Icelander]
#11558744 - 11/30/09 08:53 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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We can learn from everyone IMO.

That reminds me of something I heard from McKenna once. He mentioned this concept of pronoia, which is essentially the conviction that everyone is here for your own edification and amusement. I almost fell on the floor laughing when I heard it, although I was high at the time...

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: Noteworthy]
#11558750 - 11/30/09 08:54 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Its only defining yourself as undefined if you decide to see it that way. Otherwise its just not defining yourself. Kindof like agnosticism vs. atheism and creationism.

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: xFrockx]
#11558819 - 11/30/09 09:02 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Just let me adjust the trigger pull. I'll bet I could make you sweat a little. :laugh:

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: Mnboardin]
#11559336 - 11/30/09 10:07 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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xFrockx said:
"The only spiritual leader I've never sensed a huge ego from is the dalai lama. the rest i only listen with one ear to. "

This is because he never had a need for an ego, he's been the llama since he was a kid. That's a big part of why that system works so well, it produces people who really have nothing to strive for and nothing better to do. In other words, enlightened, lol.

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: Icelander]
#11559344 - 11/30/09 10:08 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Hell I'd let you hold the gun. I've never tried that before but that sure would be a bullshit detector.

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: xFrockx]
#11560523 - 12/01/09 03:59 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

If you become nobody, you've already become somebody, just a somebody labelled 'nobody'

If you realize you are no body...

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: xFrockx]
#11561123 - 12/01/09 08:26 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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This is because he never had a need for an ego, he's been the llama since he was a kid. That's a big part of why that system works so well, it produces people who really have nothing to strive for and nothing better to do. In other words, enlightened, lol.

Actually, the Dalai Lama has spent many years doing intensive meditation practices that would be inconceivably difficult for most of us. He sleeps for 3 hours a night, never eats a meal after noon, meets thousands of people weekly, and is the primary advocate for justice for millions of his people who have been displaced and violently oppressed by one of the most powerful regimes in the world, as well as a peace advocate for other conflicts in the world. His entire life has been one of constant occupation and striving, so your characterization of him could not be less accurate.

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: xFrockx]
#11561160 - 12/01/09 08:34 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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Hell I'd let you hold the gun. I've never tried that before but that sure would be a bullshit detector.

If I could get away with it I'd do you a favor an put you out of your misery. :satansmoking:

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: Lion]
#11561164 - 12/01/09 08:35 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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xFrockx said:
This is because he never had a need for an ego, he's been the llama since he was a kid. That's a big part of why that system works so well, it produces people who really have nothing to strive for and nothing better to do. In other words, enlightened, lol.

Actually, the Dalai Lama has spent many years doing intensive meditation practices that would be inconceivably difficult for most of us. He sleeps for 3 hours a night, never eats a meal after noon, meets thousands of people weekly, and is the primary advocate for justice for millions of his people who have been displaced and violently oppressed by one of the most powerful regimes in the world, as well as a peace advocate for other conflicts in the world. His entire life has been one of constant occupation and striving, so your characterization of him could not be less accurate.

Not to mention he takes apart watches and puts them back together. :whoa:

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: The Chronic]
#11561169 - 12/01/09 08:37 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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If you become nobody, you've already become somebody, just a somebody labelled 'nobody'

If you realize you are no body...

And if you realize you are a no body then you become a some body but only when you need to eat or shit or something. Cause you can't do that with a no body and the some body can get pretty constipated from all that shit. :holyshit:

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: Lion]
#11561191 - 12/01/09 08:43 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah and some people sleep that much while trying to feed their kids, and work 18 hour days. Big deal.

Edited by xFrockx (12/01/09 08:43 AM)

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: xFrockx]
#11561273 - 12/01/09 08:57 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

I do not see how that is relevant to your post.

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This is because he never had a need for an ego, he's been the llama since he was a kid.

I have shown that he does have a need for an ego, i.e. the need to analyze situations, form judgments, and act skilfully, just like the parent who works 18 hours a day to feed her family.

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That's a big part of why that system works so well, it produces people who really have nothing to strive for and nothing better to do.

I have shown that he does in fact have things to strive for, and lots to do. These are the points I was refuting, not whether he is more enlightened than a hard-working parent.

Indeed, from a Buddhist perspective, the hard-working parent is probably close to enlightenment, gaining positive merit from her selfless striving to benefit other sentient beings (even if she is not striving for all sentient beings - the Mahayana Path - but for those who are in her immediate care).

The difference between her and the Dalai Lama would be the motivation to help all versus a select group of sentient beings, right concentration/meditation (unless this hypothetical individual also found time for meditative practice), and subsequently view (correct understanding of emptiness and dependent arising). --all of the above being irrelevant to what I was refuting in your post.

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: Lion]
#11561368 - 12/01/09 09:13 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, true. I guess I meant that that the dalai llama lives in a position of privilege, and as a result probably doesn't have as much stress, or a need to feel fear about his well-being, like many parents might.

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: xFrockx]
#11561381 - 12/01/09 09:17 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

This is true but he has other pressures I'm sure. He is, after all, human.

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: Icelander]
#11561614 - 12/01/09 09:53 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

I am more of a nobody than all of yous put together! :razz:

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: skatealex2]
#11561709 - 12/01/09 10:12 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

This reminds me of experiencing that "connected" feeling on a psychedelic. Seeing everything as one singularity. No dualities, as there are no differences. What you might see as the chair on the floor is actually chair-floor. They seem to be different, but are in fact the same thing. One single continuum of time and space.

When there are no dualities its difficult to establish a sense of self. As soon as you declare "Yourself" you are perceiving "you" as separate from everything. Becoming nobody sounds sad and lonely. I would rather call it becoming everything.

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#11561718 - 12/01/09 10:15 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

I see your car as my car. All part of the cartinuum. Any problems with that?

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#11561721 - 12/01/09 10:16 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

I see him under your car and that is a problem. :lol:

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#11561734 - 12/01/09 10:18 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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Any problems with that?

Its neither yours or mine, it is ours. There are no dualities, including me and you. We are "us".

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#11561737 - 12/01/09 10:19 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Can I borrow 'our' car this weekend?

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#11561753 - 12/01/09 10:22 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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Can I borrow 'our' car this weekend?

If you choose to start the car and drive it then yes. Nothing is mine. Because "I" don't exist. "We" exist as the continuum.

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#11561896 - 12/01/09 10:41 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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Can I borrow 'our' car this weekend?

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#11562284 - 12/01/09 11:28 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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Can I borrow 'our' car this weekend?

Only if I get to sleep in your bed and bang your wife this weekend. :doggystyle:

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: BrainChemistry]
#11562307 - 12/01/09 11:30 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

He's not the one claiming "oneness". :wink:

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: Icelander]
#11562330 - 12/01/09 11:33 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not claiming oneness either. Just a perceptual hallucination I experience from psychedelic drug use usually at higher doses.

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: Icelander]
#11562353 - 12/01/09 11:37 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Sharing is caring. I learned that in kindergarten.

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#11562436 - 12/01/09 11:48 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm not claiming oneness either. Just a perceptual hallucination I experience from psychedelic drug use usually at higher doses.

Actually I doubt that at least on a practical level. If you didn't see yourself as separate you would be mugged, hit by a car or a thousand other things what would convince you that, for all practical purposes, you are separate.

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: Icelander]
#11562455 - 12/01/09 11:52 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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for all practical purposes, you are separate.

Practical? Whats the use in being practical when you can just hallucinate your way through life?

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: BrainChemistry]
#11562481 - 12/01/09 11:55 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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Whats the use in being practical when you can just hallucinate your way through life?

What's so practical about taking hallucinogenic drugs every day. :tongue:

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: BrainChemistry]
#11562545 - 12/01/09 12:03 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

But you can't is what I'm saying. Not unless you want a one or two day lifespan.

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: Icelander]
#11562549 - 12/01/09 12:04 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

I don't go out in public on doses high enough for me to become everything :lol:

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#11562561 - 12/01/09 12:05 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

I've done it, it's pretty fun! :cool:

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#11562567 - 12/01/09 12:06 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

You said "through life". Holing up in your room for a trip once in awhile is a whole different proposition. I enjoy that too. It feels good.

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: Icelander]
#11562568 - 12/01/09 12:06 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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But you can't is what I'm saying. Not unless you want a one or two day lifespan.

I dunno some people do a pretty good job of denying reality every single day.

They make their own hallucinations. I'm not talking about visual trips either.

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: BrainChemistry]
#11562589 - 12/01/09 12:08 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm not talking about visual trips either.

Then what are you talking about?

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: Icelander]
#11562597 - 12/01/09 12:10 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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You said "through life".

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: Poid]
#11562685 - 12/01/09 12:23 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm not talking about visual trips either.

Then what are you talking about?

What do you think I'm talking about?

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#11562807 - 12/01/09 12:40 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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You said "through life".

Oops, wasn't you but here is his post. Whats the use in being practical when you can just hallucinate your way through life?

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: Icelander]
#11562832 - 12/01/09 12:44 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Being practical is essential to survival.

I'm hungry --> eat food.

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#11562857 - 12/01/09 12:47 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

It's a big duh imo but it just seems to go over some heads here. :shrug:

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#11563480 - 12/01/09 02:16 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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You said "through life".

i think there are billions of people that bullshit themselves through life. if you want an example- look at the people in the DEA , they cant honestly think they're helping people by destroying marijuana plants or you can use careless parents as an example, anything really -and this shit goes on constantly.... i can even give examples from people i kno, but i wouldnt wana post that on here

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: skatealex2]
#11563497 - 12/01/09 02:19 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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if you want an example- look at the people in the DEA , they cant honestly think they're helping people by destroying marijuana plants

The ones running the agency most likely don't think they are helping people. The people that run the DEA are intelligent highly motivated people. They are doing their job, they don't care if it is helping anyone or not.

There are lots of people in law enforcement and DEA that actually think they are helping people for locking them up for having a dried plant based organism in their possession.

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: BrainChemistry]
#11563522 - 12/01/09 02:22 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm not talking about visual trips either.

Then what are you talking about?

What do you think I'm talking about?

I have no clue, you could be talking about anything besides visual trips. :shrug:

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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: BrainChemistry]
#11563703 - 12/01/09 02:43 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Somebody has to as long as it is not me.

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