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 “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” 
#11555641 - 11/30/09 01:40 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wondering what everyone thinks of this Ram Dass quote? I think it's an interesting idea.
ive thought of the idea before that people fail th game of life when they start worrying about it...
cant wait till i can lose my ego again so i can become nobody 
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Edited by skatealex2 (11/30/09 01:42 PM)
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 Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: skatealex2]
#11555665 - 11/30/09 01:42 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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What "game"? 
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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan   fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: Poid]
#11555672 - 11/30/09 01:44 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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i think Ram Dass refers to 'the game' as th ego and the game of life
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Edited by skatealex2 (11/30/09 01:44 PM)
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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: skatealex2]
#11555734 - 11/30/09 01:52 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
skatealex2 said:
Wondering what everyone thinks of this Ram Dass quote? I think it's an interesting idea.
ive thought of the idea before that people fail th game of life when they start worrying about it...
cant wait till i can lose my ego again so i can become nobody
Well then he hasn't won the game either. Realizing one is no more important than an ant is one thing but acting in the world as if you are nobody is a disaster waiting to happen. We all need to compete and survive on some level.
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"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: ?The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody? [Re: Icelander]
#11555757 - 11/30/09 01:56 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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mayb ram dass was saying this shit for all th hippies that were following him
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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: skatealex2]
#11555972 - 11/30/09 02:28 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
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i think Ram Dass refers to 'the game' as th ego and the game of life
I guess he means that the ultimate goal of the "game" is to not take who you are too seriously. 
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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: skatealex2]
#11556053 - 11/30/09 02:40 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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To become is a process, so there must be an alternate state. I would say when we are born, we are about as close to "nobody" as we will get.
So it is obvious you must "become somebody", to then be able to "become nobody" again.
It is just emphasis, who says which part is more important, being somebody, or being nobody?
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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: skatealex2]
#11556099 - 11/30/09 02:46 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think by "game" he is referring to the social game we all must play in order to be accepted into society. The cultural hoops you must jump through...whether its simple politeness and etiquette, or figuring out a way to make more than the average dollar.
As for this dudes quote....its hard to catch his meaning without more context. Maybe he means that for most people, the game makes you feel like a nobody because its so difficult to get ahead?
I have to agree w/ Icelander that if you act like a nobody, then you will get no where. Without ambition and confidence then how will you ever be able to cease opportunities that will make you successful?
Unless by "nobody" he simply means "self-less"....which one can still be ambitious to help others, and succeed. That is arguably still a form of self-satisfaction though....
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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: BrainChemistry]
#11557890 - 11/30/09 06:59 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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my problem with RAm Dass philosophy is that i dont think a lot of it works in th modern society that we have today. tho it might sound nice
for him, all he has to do is be himself and sell books on these ideas... people seem to look up to him as a spiritual leader tho and be here now is legendary , but i agree to be successful, it often requires an ego or to be 'selfless' but that is still self serving in a way
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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: skatealex2]
#11558204 - 11/30/09 07:44 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Be patient, if death is the end, and you are not immortal, then you will be nobody soon enough.
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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: skatealex2]
#11558444 - 11/30/09 08:23 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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I see it as a sorta of nonsensical phrase. 'becoming nobody' is akin to saying 'thinking about nothing'- in both cases, if there is still somthing to become or think than is nothingness really acheived?
I will never be able to know if I have acheived egoloss, because if I truly do acheive egoloss then there is no experience or memory.
But I guess what he means by it is that life is not about become rich and powerful, a 'somebody'- and instead about losing the ego and realizing we are nobody in the sense that we are not important.
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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: Icelander]
#11558544 - 11/30/09 08:36 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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"Well then he hasn't won the game either. Realizing one is no more important than an ant is one thing but acting in the world as if you are nobody is a disaster waiting to happen. We all need to compete and survive on some level."
We really don't need to, we always have the option of death.
I think what Ram Das meant by being "nobody" is important here. I can't say I know for sure, but I can understand a way in which he might have meant it that doesn't sound too socially irresponsible.
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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: xFrockx]
#11558607 - 11/30/09 08:41 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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We really don't need to, we always have the option of death.
I'll leave that one to you.
I saw him "in concert" several years ago. He had a plenty big ego.
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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: Icelander]
#11558646 - 11/30/09 08:45 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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I find most do in the end. But they can still have some insight tucked into the rest of their words.
The only spiritual leader I've never sensed a huge ego from is the dalai lama. the rest i only listen with one ear to.
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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#11558710 - 11/30/09 08:51 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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We can learn from everyone IMO.
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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: Icelander]
#11558713 - 11/30/09 08:51 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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"I'll leave that one to you."
I'm the kind of person who would put a loaded gun to my head with the my finger on the trigger and the safety off and not even feel anxious.
Sure as shit wouldn't pull it though.
"The only spiritual leader I've never sensed a huge ego from is the dalai lama. the rest i only listen with one ear to. "
This is because he never had a need for an ego, he's been the llama since he was a kid. That's a big part of why that system works so well, it produces people who really have nothing to strive for and nothing better to do. In other words, enlightened, lol.
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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: Icelander]
#11558717 - 11/30/09 08:51 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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ram dass gets this idea from buddha... it is very standard. it is easy to be someone. it is hard to detatch yourself from self identifiers
but i agree that merely attempting to do this is defining yourself in a certain way (as indefined) so it contains an implicit contradiction
but only if you take it as an absolute thing, as opposed to a trajectory
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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: Icelander]
#11558744 - 11/30/09 08:53 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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We can learn from everyone IMO.
That reminds me of something I heard from McKenna once. He mentioned this concept of pronoia, which is essentially the conviction that everyone is here for your own edification and amusement. I almost fell on the floor laughing when I heard it, although I was high at the time...
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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: Noteworthy]
#11558750 - 11/30/09 08:54 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Its only defining yourself as undefined if you decide to see it that way. Otherwise its just not defining yourself. Kindof like agnosticism vs. atheism and creationism.
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Re: “The game is not about becoming somebody, it's about becoming nobody” [Re: xFrockx]
#11558819 - 11/30/09 09:02 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Just let me adjust the trigger pull. I'll bet I could make you sweat a little.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
Edited by Icelander (11/30/09 09:02 PM)
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