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Re: Nidal Hasan Tried To Contact Al Qaida, US Officials Knew Months Ago [Re: Prisoner#1]
#11510373 - 11/23/09 10:48 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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The difference here is that a white guy that appears mentally unbalanced won't be an officer for very long. This Hasan guy was obviously nucking futs. He is a just so happens to be affiliated with muslim terrorists.
That is what's really racist here. PC assholes in the chain of command didn't want to do something because it is considered "racist and/or prejudice" to report a muslim officer that has views that are sympathetic to militant muslim extremists!
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Re: Nidal Hasan Tried To Contact Al Qaida, US Officials Knew Months Ago [Re: Mr.Al]
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Is that actually true? Where did military officials assert that he couldn't be removed from his position because of PC concerns.
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Re: Nidal Hasan Tried To Contact Al Qaida, US Officials Knew Months Ago [Re: THC Titan]
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It's far more insidious than that. A culture of fear has infiltrated our society from top to bottom. A fear of criticizing "The Other" on the basis that it would be deemed impolitic or racist. No matter what they do. I have no problem holding Muslim lunatics to the same standard of scrutiny I would be subject to. As in dragged away and interrogated and fired and with my right to own a weapon permanently taken away if I did any of the shit this asshole did.
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Re: Nidal Hasan Tried To Contact Al Qaida, US Officials Knew Months Ago [Re: THC Titan]
#11516483 - 11/24/09 01:37 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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THC Titan said: Is that actually true? Where did military officials assert that he couldn't be removed from his position because of PC concerns.
Absolutely it is true. Anyone with rank on their collar won't admit it in so many words because unfortunately the climate in the military is one of fixing the blame (on someone quick) instead of fixing the underlying causes of the problem.
I've seen people catch all kinds of shit from having Confederate flag bumper stickers on their car in the military. Zero tolerance for that. Muslim dude that is clearly unstable, not a fucking peep out of them.
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Re: Nidal Hasan Tried To Contact Al Qaida, US Officials Knew Months Ago [Re: zappaisgod]
#11516917 - 11/24/09 05:14 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Sez you. But not a whole lot of other people. You are also lying repeatedly about what this guy did leading up to it.
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U.S. intelligence agencies were aware months ago that Army Major Nidal Malik Hasan was attempting to make contact with an individual associated with al Qaeda, two American officials briefed on classified material in the case told ABC News.
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Major Nidal Malik Hasan, the gunman who killed 13 at America's Fort Hood military base, once gave a lecture to other doctors in which he said non-believers should be beheaded and have boiling oil poured down their throats.
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Listen to a psychiatrist�s recollection of a lecture Hasan gave (a �grand round� is the term for it) when he was a medical resident at Walter Reed. �It freaked them out.� Normally, a lecturer focuses on a particular disease or disorder and recent research or treatment options. Instead, Hasan reportedly harangued the doctors and staff about what the Quran taught about non-believers going to hell, being scalded, beheaded, etc. A Muslim psychiatrist in the audience reportedly challenged him about his interpretation of the Quran, but he would not back down (because he was right). Another version of the story I heard quoted a source as saying that several in the audience suggested afterward that Hasan might be a shooter someday.
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The Army major also had previously questioned the U.S. war on terror.
A former classmate has said Hasan was a "vociferous opponent of the war" and "viewed the war against terror" as a "war against Islam." Dr. Val Finnell, who attended a master's in public health program in 2007-2008 at Uniformed Services University with Hasan, said he told classmates he was "a Muslim first and an American second."
"In retrospect, I'm not surprised he did it," Finnell said. "I had real questions about what his priorities were, what his beliefs were."
This jihadist should have been arrested for treason long before he was able to shoot and kill a bunch of people. What a major fuck up by our intelligence agencies and military. Heads better fucking roll.
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Re: Nidal Hasan Tried To Contact Al Qaida, US Officials Knew Months Ago [Re: Mr.Al]
#11521815 - 11/24/09 06:55 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mr.Al said: The difference here is that a white guy that appears mentally unbalanced won't be an officer for very long. This Hasan guy was obviously nucking futs. He is a just so happens to be affiliated with muslim terrorists.
you're absolutely wrong, those unbalanced officers often remain officer until someone tosses a grenade in the latrine with them
I know an FBI agent pretty well, that doesnt make me an FBI agent
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That is what's really racist here. PC assholes in the chain of command didn't want to do something because it is considered "racist and/or prejudice" to report a muslim officer that has views that are sympathetic to militant muslim extremists!
they didnt do anything with the hundreds of others over the years that were not muslims either, it's not difficult to grasp that the inaction from the military isnt just applied to certain religious, ethnic or cultural backgrounds... it's distributed far more amongst whites than any other ethnic group... seems rather discriminatory to me
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Re: Nidal Hasan Tried To Contact Al Qaida, US Officials Knew Months Ago [Re: Prisoner#1]
#11524528 - 11/25/09 06:07 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Fucked up officers get straightened out pretty quick from where I came from. I recall seeing a new platoon leader getting yelled at on a regular basis from the platoon sergeant until he unfucked himself.
Tossing a grenade into a latrine...
That's the famous "medal of honor drill"!
It doesn't smell right to me dude. I came from a combat arms unit. Maybe they give shrinks a whole lot more leeway...
P.C. bullshit is much more of a problem with officers, though. I can easily see how officers would not be willing to dime out a muslim officer for fear of being politically incorrect.
Officers are obsessed about appearances. That seems to get them promoted. Political correctness is part of that.
N.C.O.s, not so much. They are the ones who get shit done!
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Re: Nidal Hasan Tried To Contact Al Qaida, US Officials Knew Months Ago [Re: Mr.Al]
#11528537 - 11/25/09 06:25 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mr.Al said: Fucked up officers get straightened out pretty quick from where I came from. I recall seeing a new platoon leader getting yelled at on a regular basis from the platoon sergeant until he unfucked himself.
incompetence doesnt always earn a frag, I almost put a gaping hole into a butter bar's chest myself, lucky for me I realized that it certainly doesnt speed advancement in the ranks, some shinies dont need a command a few achieve a rapid decommission because they cant seem to unfuck themselves
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It doesn't smell right to me dude. I came from a combat arms unit. Maybe they give shrinks a whole lot more leeway...
I served in an air assault unit bounced from north east africa to eastern europe, Somolia, Iraq, Kosovo, Bosnia, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, and Afghanistan, most were combat assignments some were training
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Re: Nidal Hasan Tried To Contact Al Qaida, US Officials Knew Months Ago [Re: Prisoner#1]
#11530391 - 11/26/09 02:23 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Danquah assumed the military's chain of command knew about Hasan's doubts, which had been known for more than a year to classmates at the Maryland graduate military medical program. His fellow students complained to the faculty about Hasan's "anti-American propaganda," but said a fear of appearing discriminatory against a Muslim student kept officers from filing a formal complaint.
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/item_ciDDXnm7Vatt2Nid2iX1GL/1#ixzz0XxRtghQv
So the PC angle has been blown out of the water? What more do you need to hear. And as far as our government is concerned Arabs and North Africans are considered white.
It's discriminatory to look into the actions of an Arab? How many suicide bombers are Mexican? If the vast majority of those that are willing to commit suicide in a violent act while taking out as many infidels as possible are of the middle eastern persuasion, then it only makes sense to look at their suspicious behavior.
If the Feds are looking into illegal arms violations by violent Klan members would they also pull over blacks and search their cars? Would they pull over Mexicans and do the same? Why not? They must be racists then, how dare they single out whites.
People have become so afraid of offending some Muslim asshole that they refuse to report it and ultimately lives are lost. An interesting side note on how the whites have become a pinata for the PC crowd, I read an interesting statement by the producer of the new movie 2012. He was asked why in the movie he showed the destruction of the Christ the Redeemer statue in Brazil, as well as several basilicas, etc., but no Muslim landmarks were shown to be destroyed in the movie. He said he didn't want to offend the Muslims or have a contract put on his life. It's OK for Serrano the photog to take pictures of a depiction of the crucifixion and then placing them in jars of piss. Hence the name of the "artwork" piss Christ. Can you imagine the backlash if someone attempted to do this to an Islamic symbol.
Islamophobia? Yes, if that means all rational thought is lost and blatant hypocrisy is exhibited in the name of tolerance. The problem being that the repercussions of inaction due to fear of being labeled a racist can obviously be catastrophic.
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Re: Nidal Hasan Tried To Contact Al Qaida, US Officials Knew Months Ago [Re: Therian]
#11530430 - 11/26/09 02:48 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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I forgot to post this as it seems rather timely and topical. It also has to do with the fear of reporting actual crime due to pc behaviors by law enforcement. You know you don't want to tell people that there is a high probability that they may be beaten, robbed or assaulted if their attackers are non white. You know, you could be a racist.
Racial terror in Denver that won’t make national news By Michelle Malkin • November 24, 2009 10:31 AM
Chilling details are emerging in the local Colorado press about violent black gangs who have been targeting white victims for months:
The Denver Police Department announced today that they have made 32 arrests during a sweep to end a four-month spree of what police said were racially motivated assaults and robberies in downtown Denver, including the LoDo entertainment district.
A task force comprised of the Denver Police, FBI and the Denver District Attorney’s Office investigated 26 incidents in which groups of black males verbally harassed and then assaulted white or Hispanic males, according to Denver Police Chief Gerry Whitman.
Many of the victims were robbed after being assaulted. Although police knew what was going on, citizens were left in the dark.
More dangerously blind diversity-mongeringat work? Fear of litigation or accusations of profiling by the usual mau-mauers?
You decide:
Denver Police Chief Gerry Whitman said that groups of young black males from the Rollin’ 60s Crips and the Black Gangster Disciples gangs approached single white or Latino men late at night and struck them in the head, often after berating them and calling attention to their race, but sometimes attacking without warning.
Victims in the LoDo and 16th Street Mall attacks suffered broken noses and shattered eye sockets, among other head injuries. Sometimes wallets and other small items were stolen.
“We have seen coordinated efforts before, but not by this large of a group,” Whitman said as the arrests were announced Friday.
Yet no concerted effort was made to alert residents to the unusual nature of these violent crimes, or their apparent racial motivation.
Police say there may have been 26 such attacks, almost all against white males, but investigators stress there could be other victims and more are coming forward. A few are women.
Monday, police spokesman Sonny Jackson told us all but one of the 35 suspects are now in jail, each on a $1 million bond due to the racial bias involved. The mostly young men and teenage boys are charged with aggravated assault, aggravated robbery and bias-motivated crimes.
The situation was so grave even the FBI got involved.
Who knew? Certainly not the young white and Latino men who were at risk of being attacked.
Though Denver Police issued a warning on Sept. 3 that they were aware of “a pattern of assaults and robberies,” they simply said “single males” should be on the lookout.
Jackson said that at the time, police weren’t yet aware of the full scope and biased nature of the attacks. Once the warning went out and police heightened their presence, he said, the attacks “dried up.”
Therefore, Jackson told us, it was unnecessary to issue a more explicit warning, even as investigators learned the more menacing aspects of the crimes.
Jackson said keeping the warning broad should have been enough. “We didn’t want anyone to take their guard down,” Jackson said.
But if police know that a particular segment of the population is being targeted, don’t they have a responsibility to give potential victims a specific warning? Looks like yet another case of “If you see something, say something — unless it’s politically incorrect.”
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Oh, and you know if the races were reversed that p.c. panderer AG Eric Holder would be flying to Denver right now (with race demagogue Al Sharpton in tow) to hold a press conference and vow to ensure the safety of the Mile High City’s residents
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Re: Nidal Hasan Tried To Contact Al Qaida, US Officials Knew Months Ago [Re: Therian]
#11532295 - 11/26/09 12:45 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120313570
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When a group of key officials gathered in the spring of 2008 for their monthly meeting in a Bethesda, Md., office, one of the leading — and most perplexing — items on their agenda was: What should we do about Hasan?
Hasan had been a trouble spot on officials' radar since he started training at Walter Reed, six years earlier. Several officials confirm that supervisors had repeatedly given him poor evaluations and warned him that he was doing substandard work.
Both fellow students and faculty were deeply troubled by Hasan's behavior — which they variously called disconnected, aloof, paranoid, belligerent, and schizoid. The officials say he antagonized some students and faculty by espousing what they perceived to be extremist Islamic views. His supervisors at Walter Reed had even reprimanded him for telling at least one patient that "Islam can save your soul."
So why didn't officials act on their concerns and seek to remove Hasan from his duties, or at least order him to receive a mental health evaluation? Interviews with these officials suggest that a chain of unrelated events and factors deterred them.
For one thing, Walter Reed and most medical institutions have a cumbersome and lengthy process for expelling doctors, involving hearings and potential legal battles. As a result, sources say, key decision-makers decided it would be too difficult, if not unfeasible, to put Hasan on probation and possibly expel him from the program.
Second, some of Hasan's supervisors and instructors had told colleagues that they repeatedly bent over backward to support and encourage him, because they didn't have clear evidence that he was unstable, and they worried they might be "discriminating" against Hasan because of his seemingly extremist Islamic beliefs.
Third, the officials involved in deliberations this year reportedly were not aware, as some top Walter Reed officials were, that intelligence analysts had been tracking Hasan's e-mails with at least one suspected Islamic extremist since December 2008.
And finally, Hasan was about to leave Walter Reed and USUHS for good and transfer to Fort Hood, in Texas. Fort Hood has more psychiatrists and other mental specialists than some other Army bases, so officials figured there would be plenty of co-workers who would support Hasan — and monitor him.
even when the army wants a PFC out, it can still take several months, when they've invested years into your education and training the last thing they want to do is discharge you early
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Re: Nidal Hasan Tried To Contact Al Qaida, US Officials Knew Months Ago [Re: Prisoner#1]
#11532474 - 11/26/09 01:24 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Why is it only an Army issue? It isn't.
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Re: Nidal Hasan Tried To Contact Al Qaida, US Officials Knew Months Ago [Re: zappaisgod]
#11533271 - 11/26/09 04:40 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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was hasan with the police department or maybe he was an executive with lockheed...
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Re: Nidal Hasan Tried To Contact Al Qaida, US Officials Knew Months Ago [Re: Prisoner#1]
#11535599 - 11/27/09 12:45 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Just ignore these racists. They like to play the race card when there is none to be played. They have no idea who they are talking to.
I've had people tell me to my face that I'm a racist. When I disclose to them that my wife and family are people of color, they get that look like they just ate a pile of dog-shit.
Ignore them - they are trolls - nothing less. It's just a card from their pathetic playbook of lies.
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Re: Nidal Hasan Tried To Contact Al Qaida, US Officials Knew Months Ago [Re: Therian]
#11535620 - 11/27/09 01:00 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Therian said: I forgot to post this as it seems rather timely and topical. It also has to do with the fear of reporting actual crime due to pc behaviors by law enforcement. You know you don't want to tell people that there is a high probability that they may be beaten, robbed or assaulted if their attackers are non white. You know, you could be a racist.
Racial terror in Denver that won�t make national news By Michelle Malkin � November 24, 2009 10:31 AM
The report is wrong! Only white people are racist...
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Re: Nidal Hasan Tried To Contact Al Qaida, US Officials Knew Months Ago [Re: Prisoner#1]
#11536630 - 11/27/09 09:44 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: was hasan with the police department or maybe he was an executive with lockheed...
Are you saying that the police and the FBI only have the power and responsibility to investigate police and FBI employees? Because that is stunningly stupid.
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Re: Nidal Hasan Tried To Contact Al Qaida, US Officials Knew Months Ago [Re: the_conservatarian]
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the_conservatarian said: I've had people tell me to my face that I'm a racist. When I disclose to them that my wife and family are people of color, they get that look like they just ate a pile of dog-shit.
So "people of color" can't be racist? Someone married to "people of color" can't be racist? Not even to people of a different color than they are married to?
That's amazing! It's also an incredibly dumb thing to say.
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Re: Nidal Hasan Tried To Contact Al Qaida, US Officials Knew Months Ago [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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The phrase "people of color" is itself racist. Also stupid as all fuck.
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Re: Nidal Hasan Tried To Contact Al Qaida, US Officials Knew Months Ago [Re: zappaisgod]
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Prisoner#1 said: was hasan with the police department or maybe he was an executive with lockheed...
Are you saying that the police and the FBI only have the power and responsibility to investigate police and FBI employees? Because that is stunningly stupid.
I have no clue where you come up with this shit, are you smoking drugs again?
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Re: Nidal Hasan Tried To Contact Al Qaida, US Officials Knew Months Ago [Re: Prisoner#1]
#11542536 - 11/28/09 11:06 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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What does whether he was with the police department have to do with anything? Ans.: Nothing. Members of the military are not immune to civilian police investigation and prosecution.
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