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 Re: Pharisees? [Re: dr_gonz]
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the reality AS YOU SEE IT does not make it absolute truth.
doesn't negate the fact that what I said IS THE TRUTH
deal with and stop acting like such a baby, seriously I think you needed some more lashings growing up 
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ya and kids need discipline
Kids need love, not fear of eternal punishment. I strongly suspect that Jesus' original message said nothing about Hell.
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even if that were the case, according to christians, after your own testing/experience/rationale you better side with god, or you will burn forever.
that's like telling a child he won't receive dessert if he doesn't behave, but instead will receive a lashing.
Yeah, except the Christian could always produce the counterargument that God has showed you the only path to heaven. Any missteps from this and into eternal damnation are your fault alone for not trusting in His word. Do we blame the park ranger when we ignore his directions and blunder into a bear cave, or should we blame ourselves for not listening?
(Note that I don't believe in an omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent God in the first place so I'm just playing Devil's advocate here.  )
you just had a moment of prophecy
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ya and kids need discipline
Kids need love, not fear of eternal punishment. I strongly suspect that Jesus' original message said nothing about Hell.
kids need loving discipline
associating consequence with physical pain(not saying beat the kid into a coma but just a slap on the ass)
is a good lesson to learn
we all gotta learn it eventually, why not start early?
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the reality AS YOU SEE IT does not make it absolute truth.
doesn't negate the fact that what I said IS THE TRUTH
deal with and stop acting like such a baby, seriously I think you needed some more lashings growing up
christians are very heavy speculators!
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you just had a moment of prophecy
lolwut
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kids need loving discipline
associating consequence with physical pain(not saying beat the kid into a coma but just a slap on the ass)
is a good lesson to learn
we all gotta learn it eventually, why not start early?
As a kid I was occasionally spanked or beaten with a belt when I misbehaved. The only thing experiencing physical pain did was teach me not to get caught in the future.
All recent parenting studies that I've read show that treating your kids with care and compassion will help them learn much more efficiently than by treating them with intimidation and fear.
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you just had a moment of prophecy
lolwut
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kids need loving discipline
associating consequence with physical pain(not saying beat the kid into a coma but just a slap on the ass)
is a good lesson to learn
we all gotta learn it eventually, why not start early?
As a kid I was occasionally spanked or beaten with a belt when I misbehaved. The only thing experiencing physical pain did was teach me not to get caught in the future.
All recent parenting studies that I've read show that treating your kids with care and compassion will help them learn much more efficiently than by treating them with intimidation and fear.
I'm talking about particularly bad bahavior
not being spanked on a regular basis
theres a lot of kids running wild right now because they aren't getting the proper discipline so I don't know what to say about that study
can you post a link?
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It makes intuitive sense that a child learns better when treated with compassion rather than with intimidation. 
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Some psychological research is held to indicate that corporal punishment causes the deterioration of trust bonds between parents and children. It is claimed that children subjected to corporal punishment may grow resentful, shy, insecure, or violent. Adults who report having been slapped or spanked by their parents in childhood have been found to experience elevated rates of anxiety disorder, alcohol abuse or dependence and externalizing problems as adults.[47] Some researchers believe that corporal punishment actually works against its objective (normally obedience), since children will not voluntarily obey an adult they do not trust. Researcher Elizabeth Gershoff, Ph. D., in a 2002 meta-analytic study that combined 60 years of research on corporal punishment, found that the only positive outcome of corporal punishment was immediate compliance; however, corporal punishment was associated with less long-term compliance.[48] Corporal punishment was linked with nine other negative outcomes, including increased rates of aggression, delinquency, mental health problems, problems in relationships with their parents, and likelihood of being physically abused.
The two studies cited are http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/full/161/7/805 and http://psycnet.apa.org/index.cfm?fa=search.displayRecord&uid=2002-01514-001
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It makes intuitive sense that a child learns better when treated with compassion rather than with intimidation.
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Some psychological research is held to indicate that corporal punishment causes the deterioration of trust bonds between parents and children. It is claimed that children subjected to corporal punishment may grow resentful, shy, insecure, or violent. Adults who report having been slapped or spanked by their parents in childhood have been found to experience elevated rates of anxiety disorder, alcohol abuse or dependence and externalizing problems as adults.[47] Some researchers believe that corporal punishment actually works against its objective (normally obedience), since children will not voluntarily obey an adult they do not trust. Researcher Elizabeth Gershoff, Ph. D., in a 2002 meta-analytic study that combined 60 years of research on corporal punishment, found that the only positive outcome of corporal punishment was immediate compliance; however, corporal punishment was associated with less long-term compliance.[48] Corporal punishment was linked with nine other negative outcomes, including increased rates of aggression, delinquency, mental health problems, problems in relationships with their parents, and likelihood of being physically abused.
The two studies cited are http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/full/161/7/805 and http://psycnet.apa.org/index.cfm?fa=search.displayRecord&uid=2002-01514-001
there are times when a child needs to know his/her place
kids have too much power over their parents these days
and it doesn't make them act like little angels
I am totally for love and gentleness
but if I kid acts really badly then a spanking might be warranted
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honesty is probably the most important quality with God
if your honest with yourself and others then your doing ok already even if you haven't learned everything you need to know yet
but if you engage in any kind of deceptive behavior then you better rethink whether or not you've truly owned up to yourself
just thought I'd put that out there
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In my experience, some of the most successful relationships are based on lies and deceit... since that's where they end up anyway, it's a logical place to start.
--Lord of War
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In my experience, some of the most successful relationships are based on lies and deceit... since that's where they end up anyway, it's a logical place to start.
--Lord of War
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just to satify TwistingDervish's request to strictly stick to the topic:
here is a video about the Anti-Christ:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3kB0yiX8MA
the United Nations HEAVILY supports this man so I would not take this lightly
your going to have to make a choice in the near future
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I spent a semester as the UN... if your afraid of the UN and their 2 billion dollar annual budget you've got another thing coming...
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I spent a semester as the UN... if your afraid of the UN and their 2 billion dollar annual budget you've got another thing coming...
and you think they let you in on everything? 
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wanna see what Alice Baily said about Hitler? sure you do!
"Hitler, who lifted a distressed people upon his shoulders; Lenin, the idealist; Stalin and Franco are all expressions of the Shamballa force and of certain little-understood energies.... We call these people dictators, demagogues.... But all these leaders are... being used to engineer great and needed changes and to alter the face of civilisation." (_Externalisation_ II, p.134-5)
Alice A. Bailey
the Theosophical society actually believed Hitler was Maitreya at one point lol
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u spend too much time trying to solve these mysteries, as do many christians.
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Re: Pharisees? [Re: dr_gonz]
#11543567 - 11/28/09 02:26 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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u spend too much time trying to solve these mysteries, as do many christians.
you don't spend enough time
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u cant solve them.
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