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 twirlingdervish
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 Is the Antichrist really that bad?? 
#11510528 - 11/23/09 11:07 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Just wondering if maybe the antichrist "prophecies" might have been just as misunderstood by the Christians as Jesus himself is...
Perhaps the Antichrist or antichrists is really just symbolic ofr a person or people whose purpose is to bring about the end of Christian rule. In which case he would be more of a hero than a villain.
Maybe...
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 MushroomTrip
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Perhaps all christianity is a symbol for some folk's psyches. 
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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
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pockets le peu
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Re: Is the Antichrist really that bad?? [Re: MushroomTrip]
#11511488 - 11/23/09 01:20 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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if somthing can go wrong, it will!-darwin-
hey everyone will die. now all i have to do is average out the deaths in your race and area yadda yadda. if your good at keeping track of patterns then you will be close. how close? depends on your formula and calculations. every atom has a pattern that can be followed and now scientist can tell you where a given atom will be in the future. the problem is keeping track of every atom as a whole! so is fate pre destined? yes, but you concieve it as if you have a choice which makes for a more interesting and enjoyable life. a life worth living!
sorry to go off track, i like to build with others like me.
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I'd like the meet the Antichrist and give him/her a big hug! 
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The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant, and has forgotten the gift. - Albert Einstein
  
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pockets le peu
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Re: Is the Antichrist really that bad?? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#11511615 - 11/23/09 01:37 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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if theres a concious anti christ then theres an actual concious god, which i cant believe. also our god has his own god, just as you are god to your pets if they could concieve a mysical, which i can believe.
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Edited by pockets le peu (11/23/09 01:39 PM)
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BiG_StroOnZ
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Ante-Christ, simply translates to before Christ, or "Before the Anointed"
Obviously, over time, the translation or true interpretation was lost. Which is why you now see it as Anti-Christ and not Ante-Christ.
Now the subject of "The Mark" (666, 606, 616) is an entirely different topic:
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Shroomism
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I think I might be the antichrist 
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Life Upon Death
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Quote:
twirlingdervish said:
Just wondering if maybe the antichrist "prophecies" might have been just as misunderstood by the Christians as Jesus himself is...
Perhaps the Antichrist or antichrists is really just symbolic ofr a person or people whose purpose is to bring about the end of Christian rule. In which case he would be more of a hero than a villain.
Maybe...
how are they misunderstood?
post the scripture and show us how us Christians has misinterpreted
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Re: Is the Antichrist really that bad?? [Re: BiG_StroOnZ]
#11514386 - 11/23/09 07:19 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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BiG_StroOnZ said:
Ante-Christ, simply translates to before Christ, or "Before the Anointed"
Obviously, over time, the translation or true interpretation was lost. Which is why you now see it as Anti-Christ and not Ante-Christ.
Now the subject of "The Mark" (666, 606, 616) is an entirely different topic:
2 Thessalonians 2:
1Now we request you, (A)brethren, with regard to the (B)coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our (C)gathering together to Him,
2that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a (D)spirit or a (E)message or a (F)letter as if from us, to the effect that (G)the day of the Lord (H)has come.
3(I)Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the [a](J)apostasy comes first, and the (K)man of lawlessness is revealed, the (L)son of destruction,
4who opposes and exalts himself above (M)every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, (N)displaying himself as being God.
5Do you not remember that (O)while I was still with you, I was telling you these things?
6And you know (P)what restrains him now, so that in his time he will be revealed.
7For (Q)the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only (R)he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way.
8Then that lawless one (S)will be revealed whom the Lord will slay (T)with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the (U)appearance of His coming;
9that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of (V)Satan, with all power and (W)signs and false wonders,
10and with all the deception of wickedness for (X)those who perish, because they did not receive the love of (Y)the truth so as to be saved.
this is a commonly held view amongst the new age movement
the Anti-Christ being a good guy, scripture being coded for the illumined to understand, the prophecy already being fulfilled
its bullshit
you can't sit down and read the bible and honestly come to this conclusion
some type of extreme self deception has to be in place
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walkingeyeball
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Quote:
twirlingdervish said:
Just wondering if maybe the antichrist "prophecies" might have been just as misunderstood by the Christians as Jesus himself is...
Perhaps the Antichrist or antichrists is really just symbolic ofr a person or people whose purpose is to bring about the end of Christian rule. In which case he would be more of a hero than a villain.
Maybe...
Saying that the Anti-Christ is "bad" is coming from a dualistic viewpoint. Just as the yin and ying, everything is made up of opposing sides. Even the "Christ" was equally "bad" as he was "good."
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We have no ships
We travel from mind to mind
As you open your heart
We enter your body
As you open your heart
We enter your imagination
As you open your heart
We enter your dreams "
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twirlingdervish
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walkingeyeball said:
Saying that the Anti-Christ is "bad" is coming from a dualistic viewpoint. Just as the yin and ying, everything is made up of opposing sides. Even the "Christ" was equally "bad" as he was "good."
I like the way you think. 
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Life Upon Death
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twirlingdervish said:
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walkingeyeball said:
Saying that the Anti-Christ is "bad" is coming from a dualistic viewpoint. Just as the yin and ying, everything is made up of opposing sides. Even the "Christ" was equally "bad" as he was "good."
I like the way you think.
so what scripture leads you to believe that the Anti-Christ is actually the good guy?
or is this coming from another source?
you do realize that the claims made in the movie zeitgeist have been proven to be completely false and even the narrator Peter Joseph has admitted his views were "immature"
the Pagan texts that speak of resurrection are dated from 150 A.D.-???
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Marduk, Osiris, Krishna, Mithra, Dionysus, Baccus, etc. were indeed pre-Peter resurrection myths.
Of course there are many superficial differences yet they all reflect the same 'transpersonal' process.
Some of the claims in Zeitgeist may be false.
The astrotheology is conjecture, the economic segment is painfully probable.
Anyoneofus could admit our views a few years ago were 'immature'.
There are all kinds of ancient resurrection myths but only Christers are ignorant enough to believe in physical resurrection.
There are no Norse pagan records before 100 CE because the Romans were just beginning to discover them at that time.
There are very real connections between astronomy and all religions.
Yet there is far more to religion than 'mere' astrotheology.
People need to pull their heads out of literalism.
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Life Upon Death
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Re: Is the Antichrist really that bad?? [Re: Mr. Middle]
#11530276 - 11/26/09 01:10 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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you realize there is as much evidence for the historical Jesus as basically any other important person living in the same timeframe?
some of Zeitgeist isn't crap, I was mostly referring to part one
I would invite you to watch this thorough video debunking zeitgeist part 1 with included quotes from even Atheist scholars who believe the source for this perspective is ridiculous(graves, 16 crucified saviors)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAvBP6wKKbg
Edited by Middleman (11/26/09 01:15 AM)
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Mr. Middle
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I've studied Christer history and seriously disagree but I'm not here to debate that.
The point isn't whether these stories are 'real' or not, what's important is their denotations, connotations and intimations.
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Life Upon Death
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Re: Is the Antichrist really that bad?? [Re: Mr. Middle]
#11530299 - 11/26/09 01:23 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Middleman said:
I've studied Christer history and seriously disagree but I'm not here to debate that.
The point is not whether these stories are 'real' or not, what's important is their denotations, connotations and intimations.
what do you disagree with? that Jesus actually existed?
heres another thorough video presenting the case for Jesus's existence(includes skeptics interjections)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I93OLYzewgY
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Mr. Middle
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I only disagree that there is as much 'evidence' for Jesus than anyone else, there is much more evidence for many lowly Roman soldiers.
Once the common principles of religions are understood, history becomes a moot point.
BTW, the editors of the scriptures are not to be trusted, they couldn't even rope a camel.
The only way to correctly understand Xtianity is to learn Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek while reading the original texts.
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Life Upon Death
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Re: Is the Antichrist really that bad?? [Re: Mr. Middle]
#11530392 - 11/26/09 02:23 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Middleman said:
I only disagree that there is as much 'evidence' for Jesus than anyone else, there is much more evidence for most roman soldiers.
Once the common principles of religions are understood, history becomes a moot point.
Roman historians wrote of Jesus the man(though they did not believe he was God)
they did not write about low level soldiers
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Mr. Middle
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There are references that could be about Jesus but nothing equivocal.
I meant the soldiers left records, children, and graves.
Rome recorded everything and there is no census recorded around the time of Jesus' birth like it says in the NT.
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Re: Is the Antichrist really that bad?? [Re: Mr. Middle]
#11530426 - 11/26/09 02:43 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Middleman said:
There are references that could be about Jesus but nothing equivocal.
I meant the soldiers left records, children, and graves.
Rome recorded everything and there is no census recorded around the time of Jesus' birth.
Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians [or Chrestians[95]] by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind. Mockery of every sort was added to their deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired.
Tacitus the Roman historian
to deny that this reference is to Jesus the man is to self deceive
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