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 Bobzimmer
Crawlin' Kingsnake
Registered: 09/07/08
Posts: 6,406
Loc: NY
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 Re: You know you're an ADDICT when .... [Re: freespeech]
#11500416 - 11/21/09 05:14 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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What kind of name is freespeech for someone who tells others what they souldn't say and where they shouldn't say it...If you have nothing useful to add yourself, why are you typing? The posts you're whining about are closer to the topic than yours...
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Mr. Mushrooms said:
I will confess something that should be quite obvious, CC. I love mushrooms, i.e. fungi. I really do. I am talking about a strong feeling, i.e. emotion, for them. I think they are beautiful. I even dream of them.
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 ehtdaedlufetarg
Toadstool Taxonomy
Registered: 04/26/07
Posts: 1,864
Loc: Oregon
Last seen: 1 day, 21 hours
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Re: You know you're an ADDICT when .... [Re: Bobzimmer]
#11500659 - 11/21/09 05:54 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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When you check the 10 day weather report every day from august to january for rain...
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You leave before a long-time family friends wedding before the reception even starts to go hunt the Country club the wedding was at on the golf course 100 yards away for subbs.... ( i found the meatiest subbs i have ever found tho)
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You can all etibem
Stranger than strangest
Registered: 08/12/09
Posts: 728
Last seen: 2 years, 8 days
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Re: You know you're an ADDICT when .... [Re: Bobzimmer]
#11500661 - 11/21/09 05:55 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah this is off topic but the whole thread is, so...
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Just what exactly constitutes a "loser drug abuser"? Anyone who consumes magic mushrooms? Does that make Gary Lincoff and Paul Stamets "losers"? Does ones academic achievement allow them to forgo the dubious title of "loser"? What about the Native American losers who consume hallucinogenic sacraments? Are you implying there is no valid reason to search for and consume hallucinogenic mushrooms....or does it depend on intent and/or a host of other factors?
First of all I should of left it alone after I made my "-You identify mushrooms for shroomers even though you can't stand them..." line, but I didn't and now that I'm in the middle of it rather then put my foot in my mouth and shut up I'll keep going.
What constitutes a "loser drug abuser"? I guess it would be anybody who is dependent or addicted to them, which I imagine (hope?) most of you are not so maybe this was a poor choice of words to use. So for a new definition to describe a Shroomers; hows One who partakes in the ingestion of hallucinogenic fungi for recreational purpose.
"Does that make Gary Lincoff and Paul Stamets "losers"?"
The Gary I know is not this one The one I know is closer to this one a great teacher, one who captivate an audience and one that you can learn something from just by being around him.
Paul Stamets on the other hand... I'll leave it at that.
"Does ones academic achievement allow them to forgo the dubious title of "loser"?"
Absolutely not. Most of the better field mycologist are "amateurs" also, at least in the east they are not using shrooms.
"What about the Native American losers who consume hallucinogenic sacraments?"
People who use them occasionally for spiritual ceremonies I have no problem with.
"Are you implying there is no valid reason to search for and consume hallucinogenic mushrooms"
For most of you, yes. Why are you doing it?
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last time i checked it was called" THE SHROOMERY magic mushrooms demystified" if you intolerable straight edge "mushroomers" dont like "shroomers" why are you here? i dont get it. to sit here and diss people for their OWN CHOICES is completely ignorant and very closed minded.maybe you need to eat an ounce of liberties and lose your ego.
or maybe just simply be acceptive of others,which this world needs more of.
I am well aware what this site is all about and for the most part I have identified your mushrooms and kept my mouth shut. Why am I here, because every once in a while I see some rare or unusual fungus that interest me, if I don't know it I'll try to find out more about it or somebody here may know some mushroom that I don't and I will learn from them. I am just on the Mushroom Hunting and Identification forum and I don't look at every thread, I skip all the Weilii - Habitat North GA - Various hunting info and the Cyans still going in vancouver, canada and similar threads.
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You can all etibem, i am a bit surprised by your response. i agree that there are some people using this site that cross a line of comfort that people can identify with, for everyone that is different, but to lump folks into one category or another based on a personal choice (and for some it is a very meaningful one), i don't feel is justifiable. there is a perplexing dichotomy to your statement considering your contributions here (not sure if you've actually id'd any actives, if not, i suppose you could argue that you have not contributed to something you don't believe in). regardless, i appreciate your knowledge as do many others here i am sure. and i for one have done things i would classify as 'loser-esque', but it's very easy to remember the negative and forget the positive, human nature i guess. sorry to comment off-topic, but you know you are an addict when...
I did say a majority, that's only 6 out of 10...
I think that I can make an argument that I haven't contributed to the identification of actives. I think that I have identified a couple of Gymnopilus but did not answer the "active" question, also I think have identified Amanita muscaria/amerimuscaria more because you are taking a bigger risk playing with amanitas; but I have left them alone lately, let someone else do it...
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While I do detest the "Hey, Maaaaan, how many of these mofos does it take to get it kickin'?" types, I equally detest the "OMG...I can't believe you do DRUGS!" types. Both groups are equally worthless in my eyes.
Back to Bob's post.
When I made the original reference to Shroomers it was referring to the "Hey, Maaaan" type. I do disagree that both groups are equally worthless. At least the group that isn't doing drugs aren't killing themselves (from drugs...)
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My passion used to be drugs; now it's learning to ID mushrooms.
This is what I want to hear. I usually make the comment that if one out of fifty people who collect mushrooms for food made an attempt to learn what else is out there that mushroom taxonomy would be much better off, so if we could get one out of a 100 of the shroomers to do the same thing we may some day have a idea what we have around us before we lose it. At the current rate we will have no idea.
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to sit here and diss people for their OWN CHOICES is completely ignorant and very closed minded.maybe you need to eat an ounce of liberties and lose your ego.
or maybe just simply be acceptive of others,which this world needs more of.
After this I'll probably go back to to my three word responses (It's Armillaria gallica) and keep my mouth shut until the next thing sets me off, (this is my first big one in the three months that I've been posting)
I don't think that I will ever be accepting of drug users, I myself have never used any other the the occasional cup of coffee, a Tylenol every couple of months and that crap for Lyme disease (a downside of being a mushroomer now days)
We are all judged by others, it's human nature.
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Bobzimmer
Crawlin' Kingsnake
Registered: 09/07/08
Posts: 6,406
Loc: NY
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Thanks for your genuine response. You're our "statue of gems king shit mushroom guru" or something like that, and you class the joint up a bit so I hope you stick around. Personally, I like it when you give more than three word responses.
You know you're addicted when you face ticks and Lyme disease yet you go hunting anyway...maybe I should go get tested... 
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Mr. Mushrooms said:
I will confess something that should be quite obvious, CC. I love mushrooms, i.e. fungi. I really do. I am talking about a strong feeling, i.e. emotion, for them. I think they are beautiful. I even dream of them.
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dodeski
Timme
Registered: 11/30/08
Posts: 314
Loc: OR
Last seen: 1 month, 7 days
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Re: You know your an ADDICT when .... [Re: Bobzimmer]
#11501738 - 11/21/09 09:24 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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...when the last 4 out of five text messages you have received are of blurry almost recognizable mushrooms, from people you randomly met and exchanged #'s with while foraying around town.
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“Falling in love is like eating random mushrooms, you never know if it's the real thing until it's too late.” Bill Ballance
"In defying the authority we become the authorities" T.N. Wilbanks
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Alan Rockefeller
Mycologist
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I skip all the Weilii - Habitat North GA - Various hunting info and the Cyans still going in vancouver, canada and similar threads.
You can hide threads that don't interest you by clicking on the folder icon on the left in the message list.
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My passion used to be drugs; now it's learning to ID mushrooms.
This is what I want to hear. I usually make the comment that if one out of fifty people who collect mushrooms for food made an attempt to learn what else is out there that mushroom taxonomy would be much better off, so if we could get one out of a 100 of the shroomers to do the same thing we may some day have a idea what we have around us before we lose it. At the current rate we will have no idea.
Thats what happens to everyone. After awhile of hunting mushrooms, people get addicted to them and want to learn all about them. Quite a few people have turned from people who just wanted to get high into amateur mycologists that post pictures of tiny mushrooms on mushroomobserver. It happens to everyone who stays around long enough.
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After this I'll probably go back to to my three word responses (It's Armillaria gallica) and keep my mouth shut until the next thing sets me off, (this is my first big one in the three months that I've been posting)
Its nice to hear your opinion even if no one is going to agree. I have learned a lot from your posts.
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I don't think that I will ever be accepting of drug users
You usually only notice the problem ones...But most of them are not satanic.
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MisterMuscaria
Registered: 05/13/08
Posts: 25,917
Loc: 
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Re: You know your an ADDICT when .... [Re: dicky21]
#11502049 - 11/21/09 10:37 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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...you move somewhere based on the high amount of rainfall and year round mushrooms.
(Im planning to move to the PNW with that as my main motivator)
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CureCat
Strangest
Registered: 04/19/06
Posts: 13,949
Loc: clawing your furniture
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Alan Rockefeller said:
Its nice to hear your opinion even if no one is going to agree.
I agree with the majority of what he said.
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tangoking
Lover of Boletes
Registered: 07/02/09
Posts: 874
Loc: New Jersey, USA
Last seen: 1 month, 3 days
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Re: You know you're an ADDICT when .... [Re: CureCat]
#11502522 - 11/22/09 12:55 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Back on topic:
Willing to risk life and limb crossing interstate highways to collect a few rotting specimens soaked in auto emissions located near piles of garbage and decomposing animal carcasses:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11500211
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The Audubon Society Field Guide to North American Mushrooms said, "...the rule of thumb is to avoid any bolete with orange to red pores, especially any that bruises blue."
Lincoff, (1989). The Audubon Society Field Guide to North American Mushrooms (pp. 562). New York: Knopf.
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CureCat
Strangest
Registered: 04/19/06
Posts: 13,949
Loc: clawing your furniture
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You can all etibem said:
Also anybody that picks mushrooms should be considered a Mushroomer, not a Shroomer.
Yeah, pretty much.
I really don’t like the connotation of the term “shroom”.
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Bobzimmer said:
Does that make Gary Lincoff and Paul Stamets "losers"?
Maybe one of them…
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Bobzimmer said:
Does ones academic achievement allow them to forgo the dubious title of "loser"?
Nope.
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Bobzimmer said:
Compulsive behavior is bad whether it is drugs or mushroom identification...
I could not disagree with you more, regarding the latter.
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psylosymonreturns said:
or maybe just simply be acceptive of others,
The word you are looking for is accepting.
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freespeech said:
No kidding... let's get back on-topic. There are innumerable active threads elsewhere on this site where people are pointlessly arguing. Take the argument there.
I like this argument. The normal progression of discussion is such that topics develop and change over its course. I bet if we were all agreeing and getting along, you would not call for an end to the conversation. People learn more from argument than if everyone agrees all the time. Plus it is boring as hell when everyone always agrees.
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you can all etibem said:
First of all I should of left it alone after I made my "-You identify mushrooms for shroomers even though you can't stand them..." line, but I didn't and now that I'm in the middle of it rather then put my foot in my mouth and shut up I'll keep going.
That’s the spirit!!
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you can all etibem said:
"Does that make Gary Lincoff and Paul Stamets "losers"?"
Paul Stamets on the other hand... I'll leave it at that.
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you can all etibem said:
"Are you implying there is no valid reason to search for and consume hallucinogenic mushrooms"
For most of you, yes. Why are you doing it?
If you have any good reason to take a drug, that you can articulate beyond “I want to get high”, then I will not fault you for taking it.
If someone indiscriminately says (and they have, many times) “give me some drugs, I want to get high”, then I just get annoyed and do not want to be around them.
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you can all etibem said:
I am well aware what this site is all about and for the most part I have identified your mushrooms and kept my mouth shut.
It is a mutualistic relationship!
I like it when you do speak up, as your voice is one that I tend to relate to.
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you can all etibem said:
I don't think that I will ever be accepting of drug users
That is a pretty unmitigated stance… Are you “accepting” of me or my drug use, since we've discussed intent?
I guess it will be a bit till you can address any comments or questions…
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Alan Rockefeller said:
Thats what happens to everyone. After awhile of hunting mushrooms, people get addicted to them and want to learn all about them. Quite a few people have turned from people who just wanted to get high into amateur mycologists that post pictures of tiny mushrooms on mushroomobserver. It happens to everyone who stays around long enough.
Noooo it does not. I don’t want to name names, but I really don’t think I have to. There are plenty of examples from this forum alone, of people who have been hunting actives for years, and never take an interest in anything else.
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German Kahuna
Facepalmer of Stoopid
Registered: 10/31/08
Posts: 15,798
Loc: On a Chemical Vacation
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Re: You know you're an ADDICT when .... [Re: CureCat]
#11502822 - 11/22/09 05:38 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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CureCat said:
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you can all etibem said:
"Are you implying there is no valid reason to search for and consume hallucinogenic mushrooms"
For most of you, yes. Why are you doing it?
If you have any good reason to take a drug, that you can articulate beyond "I want to get high", then I will not fault you for taking it.
It's not up to you to judge anyone's reason for taking a drug. People have been getting high recreationally for as long as mankind exists. Even animals get high. It is a natural thing to do and unless the quest to get high becomes your main concern in life (these people's problems are deeper rooted. The drug itself is just the catalyst/promoter of their problems, not the actual reason) there is nothing wrong with it. People need to leave their everyday life behind every now and then. I work a 40 hour week - and very often more - in IT and it's intellectually challenging and often mentally exhausting. I need some form of compensation to not go nuts, you see. Sometimes I have a beer or two after work, sometimes I smoke some weed. And every other month I like to embark onto some deeper and more spiritual journey and I will ingest hallucinogenic mushrooms.
Does that make me a junkie? I don't think so. I am a well "functioning" part of society. I do my job well, I pay my taxes, I have a wife and two kids whom I love and whom I care for. I make good money and just bought a house. I am your average suburban John Doe, with the exception that I like to get high off things that nature has on offer every now and then. Personally I think that a lot more is wrong with total straight edgers than with people who get high for recreational reasons every now and then. It's absolutely natural. But it seems that nowadays it's only socially acceptable if you get high off what big pharma's got to offer.
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"Vegetarian" [ /ˌvedʒəˈteəriən/] - Ancient slang meaning "village idiot who can't hunt, fish or ride".
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lqdtrance
Hunter
Registered: 04/12/08
Posts: 2,372
Loc: NY
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Re: You know you're an ADDICT when .... [Re: German Kahuna]
#11502860 - 11/22/09 06:11 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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I like this thread, so many good points and perspectives.
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Pandha Piranha.
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psylosymonreturns
Gymnopilus apacalypse
Registered: 10/16/09
Posts: 7,740
Loc: B.C. Canada 
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Re: You know you're an ADDICT when .... [Re: lqdtrance]
#11503196 - 11/22/09 08:46 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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thats how i feel about it to german kahuna,we are in a similiar boat.i have been working on the road for the last 4 years and this is the first mushroom season i have been around home in that many years. so i have ingested a few times this year with my wife and it is very enjoyable and a sensual experience. i dont see how that would make me a junkie or a loser. its really all about the hunt for me,thats what i am "addicted" to or you could say i enjoy the most. not getting high.
i have the opportunity to go hunt psilocybes right now but i am finding hunting and photographing other things to be just as rewarding. a good edible mushroom is what is driving me now a days. and identifying as many mushrooms as i can .
if you love mushrooms and i love mushrooms,this means we have something in common that we are passionate about. the fact i may eat a magic mushroom once in a while should be irrellevant and not worth verbaly attacking someone over it.
well obviously you are an experienced mushroom hunter and the more experience here the better. i dont like what you said but its your choice to be straight edge. i can't diss you for it because if its good for YOU its not wrong. whats good for ME is not wrong either though.
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tangoking
Lover of Boletes
Registered: 07/02/09
Posts: 874
Loc: New Jersey, USA
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Re: You know you're an ADDICT when .... [Re: lqdtrance]
#11503568 - 11/22/09 10:08 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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I perceived a touch of Puritan thinking in Bite Me's comments, which sparked a web search. I stumbled across this quote, which amazes me, and I thought I'd post it,
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Time Magazine said:
"Yet it is in the regions most dominated by the Puritan ethic that alcoholic excess appears most pronounced. Where the social group withdraws its approval from drinking, it becomes either a solitary vice or a wickedness covertly shared with a few boon companions. This type of alcoholism is allied not so much to poverty as to conflict within the personality. It is to be found in countries such as the U.S.A. and Sweden, which have experimented in prohibition. These two countries head the list . . . issued by the World Health Organization [last year] as having the highest proportional number of alcoholics—Italy, that great wine-drinking country, having the lowest...
In sum, the harder they crack down on alcohol use, the more prevalent alcoholism becomes!
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,821889,00.html
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The Audubon Society Field Guide to North American Mushrooms said, "...the rule of thumb is to avoid any bolete with orange to red pores, especially any that bruises blue."
Lincoff, (1989). The Audubon Society Field Guide to North American Mushrooms (pp. 562). New York: Knopf.
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freespeech
disciple
Registered: 12/12/08
Posts: 1,278
Loc: PNW
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Re: You know you're an ADDICT when .... [Re: tangoking]
#11503655 - 11/22/09 10:31 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Exactly - a news story came out recently that indicated that the Netherlands (where cannabis is legal and regulated) has a lower rate of cannabis use than other European countries where cannabis is illegal.
Here's the story: http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSL5730185
I see prohibitive and non-flexible attitudes ("Puritan") as a big contributor of why kids decide to try drugs in the first place. If this country encouraged unabashed and honest dialogue about drug use, I think we'd see a lot more respect toward drug use and its consequences. Drug use will always be a Thing in society, but prohibition is what causes it to thrive.
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mushroomman2
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Alan Rockefeller said:
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My passion used to be drugs; now it's learning to ID mushrooms.
This is what I want to hear. I usually make the comment that if one out of fifty people who collect mushrooms for food made an attempt to learn what else is out there that mushroom taxonomy would be much better off, so if we could get one out of a 100 of the shroomers to do the same thing we may some day have a idea what we have around us before we lose it. At the current rate we will have no idea.
Thats what happens to everyone. After awhile of hunting mushrooms, people get addicted to them and want to learn all about them. Quite a few people have turned from people who just wanted to get high into amateur mycologists that post pictures of tiny mushrooms on mushroomobserver. It happens to everyone who stays around long enough.
Totally! That is what has happened to me. Now i wish i had access to a microscope so i can spore print the mushrooms in my backyard and learn everything about them! I dont care if they are active, edible or poisonous. But on the flip side I really want to look at my actives spore prints.
Hell, it is getting to where i enjoy the hunt more than the consumption. I usually just give about 75% of my hauls away to friends and cousins. I dont know what to do with 100 ps. cyans! hahaha I enjoy tripping but not that much!
Edited by mushroomman2 (11/22/09 10:35 AM)
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dodeski
Timme
Registered: 11/30/08
Posts: 314
Loc: OR
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Re: You know your an ADDICT when .... [Re: mushroomman2]
#11504761 - 11/22/09 01:33 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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...You get fired from your job because of too many tardies, all because you keep thinking you can just pick a few more minutes and still make it to work on time.
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“Falling in love is like eating random mushrooms, you never know if it's the real thing until it's too late.” Bill Ballance
"In defying the authority we become the authorities" T.N. Wilbanks
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whoever
Stranger
Registered: 08/28/09
Posts: 412
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
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spiff thread, dicky! Looks like you hit on a central nerve, thanks for the chuckle
this one is my favorite
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Lord Mayonnaise said:
...you act suspicious when you buy a bag of woodchips.
you know you're addicted when...
you feel stunned without camera and brown paper bag
saying 'i'll cook!' sends your friends to Waffle House
'humid' somehow became 'good weather'
the neighbor wants to know what the binoculars are for
you have entertained a career change in natural resources
you've made an appointment with a gymycologist
you *can* drive your town without looking
the neighbors id you by your a$$
it's hard to get stuff done - you can barely make it out of the parking lot
you just spent several hours taking pictures in a ditch
putting one foot DOWN in front of the other is a challenge
bicycles just got cool again
pavement is overrated
there's light bulbs on your hat; you use them
you know what plants are in the garden up the street
you know where everyone on the street pitched their pumpkins this year, and what stage of decomposition they're in
you need a bigger box
you're pretty sure there's maggots loose at your place
you finally got some use out of that raincoat
of all your friends, you feel closest to slugs
a dog doesn't seem like such a bad idea anymore
you told people you're hiking the appalachians, and you really are
your idea of a beautiful sunset is overlooking a pasture
you've wondered if there's a law that says livestock must always be visible from the kitchen window
squirrels have started to really piss you off
you know the locations of several abandoned cabins you could hole up in
you stay up late studying old geographic maps
you check the weather just to guess which spores are blowing
you can id more than three types of trees, after they're dead
bushes in Turkey interest you
you've now been to some of those places you ain't never been to
you realize you're lost in the woods; you don't care
you finally organized that survival pack you been meaning to all these years
you have two cameras
your feet hurt
you totally forgot that spliff in your pocket
life just got shorter
you keep posting on the shroomery even though people who don't read well ban you, delete your posts, censor you, ignore your finds, and take away your mushrooms
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you've realized that one hand clapping in the forest doesn't really make any sound
hello shroomery
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give me back my mushrooms
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and props to you guys who gave me some, i had no idea i was that badly disturbing, thanks man, if you ever take them back i'll understand, guess i just have a way with invisible people
going back to my slugs now thank you
and my big black & white 70's picture book of disease-sounding names k thank u too
maybe i will power-up and get a free life or something, come back as a SuperWhoever
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job?
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whoever
Stranger
Registered: 08/28/09
Posts: 412
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
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Re: You know your an ADDICT when .... [Re: mattianyb]
#11504864 - 11/22/09 01:53 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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mattianyb said:
haha so no one does the weird ass thing of reapeting names in ur head?
This i had to put a stop to, cuz they were all misspelt
now all i hear is 'these aren't the shrooms you're looking for'
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MisterMuscaria
Registered: 05/13/08
Posts: 25,917
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Re: You know your an ADDICT when .... [Re: whoever]
#11505323 - 11/22/09 03:23 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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I dont even trip anymore but I still want to learn about mushrooms.
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