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#11498932 - 11/21/09 12:54 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Is it ever really necessary? 
   
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 Tropism
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 Re: Justification [Re: Poid]
#11499060 - 11/21/09 01:11 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Is anything?
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Re: Justification [Re: Tropism]
#11499513 - 11/21/09 02:39 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes; water, food, and oxygen are necessary for our biological survival! 
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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan   fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: Justification [Re: Poid]
#11499902 - 11/21/09 03:46 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Necessary for survival, yes. Now we're cookin' with gas! 
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Re: Justification [Re: Tropism]
#11499986 - 11/21/09 04:03 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Tropism said:
Necessary for survival, yes.
This means that some things are necessary!
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Tropism said:
Now we're cookin' with gas!
What about justification for one's beliefs and/or actions; do you believe that this type of justification is ever necessary?
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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: Justification [Re: Poid]
#11500405 - 11/21/09 05:13 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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My point has been, necessary for what?
Survival? No.
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Re: Justification [Re: Tropism]
#11500429 - 11/21/09 05:17 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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My point has been, necessary for what?
And I told you here:
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What about justification for one's beliefs and/or actions; do you believe that this type of justification is ever necessary?
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Re: Justification [Re: Poid]
#11500467 - 11/21/09 05:22 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't think one can answer if justification is necessary unless one is christian. But then it isn't actually necessary, it just is.. I guess that's where faith comes into play..
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I don't think one can answer if justification is necessary unless one is christian.
Why would one have to be Christian to justify their beliefs/actions? 
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Re: Justification [Re: Poid]
#11500548 - 11/21/09 05:37 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Justification [Re: Tropism]
#11500555 - 11/21/09 05:39 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Justification [Re: Poid]
#11500616 - 11/21/09 05:48 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't think one can answer if justification is necessary unless one is christian.
Why would one have to be Christian to justify their beliefs/actions?
I was going my the definition, I didn't want to assume what meaning you were implying. since theology is usually the underlying theme here in PSP, I used that one.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justification_%28theology%29
In Christian theology, justification is God's act of declaring or making a sinner righteous before God. The concept of justification occurs in many books of the Old and New Testaments.
The extent, means, and scope of justification are areas of significant debate. Broadly speaking, Catholics and Orthodox Christians distinguish between initial justification—which in their view occurs at baptism—and final justification, accomplished after a lifetime of striving to do God's will. Protestants believe that justification is a singular act in which God declares an unrighteous individual to be righteous because of the work of Jesus. Justification is granted to all who have faith, but even that is viewed as a gift from God (compare Eph 2:8).
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...theology is usually the underlying theme here in PSP...
No, that's M&P...
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Re: Justification [Re: Poid]
#11500657 - 11/21/09 05:54 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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...theology bashing is usually the underlying theme here in PSP...
No, that's M&P...
Fixed... I never said "in support of theology"
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But, since I now know which meaning of justification you may be referring to.
It's not necessary for informal discussion. But, how else can we prove our position over another persons opposing view on the same topic?
I mean... there's only one correct position on each issue, right? 
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Re: Justification [Re: Poid]
#11500824 - 11/21/09 06:20 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Is it ever really necessary?
In the same way nothing is ever really necessary that is within our ability to affect. Or it could be said that every affective was necessary. All justifications are necessary, but no more than that.
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I mean... there's only one correct position on each issue, right?
Correct.
But what about during the hours of daily life; do you not ever find yourself mentally justifying your every action/thought/belief?
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Re: Justification [Re: Rahz]
#11500859 - 11/21/09 06:26 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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All justifications are necessary, but no more than that.
If all justifications are necessary, then they have to be necessary for a certain end; it is obvious that each individual justification for whatever given thought/belief/action is necessary for what it is justifying (i.e.- the end).
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Re: Justification [Re: Poid]
#11500938 - 11/21/09 06:42 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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But what about during the hours of daily life; do you not ever find yourself mentally justifying your every action/thought/belief?
yes, too often actually..
maybe subconsciously its for assuring acceptance by others. I cant really think of the last time I thought to justify something I did for acceptance with myself, its usually due to how I think others may view me for something 
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But what about during the hours of daily life; do you not ever find yourself mentally justifying your every action/thought/belief?
yes, too often actually..
maybe subconsciously its for assuring acceptance by others.
And that's pretty much what this thread is about! 
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I cant really think of the last time I thought to justify something I did for acceptance with myself, its usually due to how I think others may view me for something
Is this particular type of justification necessary in order to sustain a pleasurable quality of life? 
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