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Fair and balanced? More than anybody else.
    #11474781 - 11/17/09 02:55 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

http://www.forbes.com/2009/11/14/fox-news-barack-obama-media-opinions-contributors-s-robert-lichter.html

A nice analysis of what anybody not an O-Bot knew for quite some time.

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Meanwhile, Fox's Special Report was dramatically tougher on Obama, with only 36% favorable vs. 64% unfavorable evaluations during the same time period. But McCain didn't fare much better, garnering only 40% favorable comments vs. 60% negative ones. So the broadcast networks gave good marks to one candidate and bad marks to another, while Fox was tough on both--and most balanced overall.




That is not a significant difference, especially considering Obama was the front runner for most of the campaign.  This is not a paean to Fox so much as an indictment of EVERY OTHER MEDIA OUTLET! 

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So how could Fox have both the most balanced and the most anti-Obama coverage? Simple. It's because the other networks were all so pro-Obama. CMPA analyzed every soundbite by reporters and nonpartisan sources (excluding representative of the political parties) that evaluated the candidates and their policies. On the three broadcast networks combined, evaluations of Obama were 68% positive and 32% negative, compared to the only 36% positive and 64% negative evaluations of his GOP opponent John McCain.




And yet we have a plethora of blathering bilgeheads whinging endlessly about the coming corporate takeover of America when the heinous McCain Feingold dies its long deserved death.  Funny they don't have anything to say when it is the liberal media providing hundreds of millions of free campaigning to liberal douches.  Did I say hundreds of millions?  I probably should have said billions.  Presidential campaigns aren't the only ones.  One could even argue that any dollar spent by the NY Times is a liberal campaign ad.


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Re: Fair and balanced? More than anybody else. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #11475034 - 11/17/09 03:41 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

i might agree that (however tragically) faux news might be closer to how a US median voter thinks than other media outlets ..but US median voters arent "fair and balanced" either.. and nor is faux if "fair and balanced" is supposed to mean factually correct...


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Re: Fair and balanced? More than anybody else. [Re: Annapurna1]
    #11475126 - 11/17/09 03:57 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Eh, they are as factually correct as any of them.  And the American voter is what the American voter is.  I have to suck up 3 1/2 more years of this Present and, hopefully only one more of San Fran Nan and Dingy Harry.  Just whose country do you think it is?


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Re: Fair and balanced? More than anybody else. [Re: Annapurna1]
    #11475322 - 11/17/09 04:25 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)



Okay, they might label a scandal-plagued (or electorally doomed, as we shall see) Republican as a Democrat once...



twice...



okay three is a little...



...four?!



oh for fuck's sake.



cute! Now, time for some fair 'n balanced headlines:









I could go on literally for hours. And that's before you even have to listen to any of these stupid hacks open their mouths!



'nuff said.

Oh and this might just be my favorite, not for bias but for sheer retardation:



















Fox News viewers might be getting a little confused here...

Seriously, EGYPT?! They claim to spend night and day praying for the troops and they don't even know where the fuck they are!


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Re: Fair and balanced? More than anybody else. [Re: jimbotron]
    #11475380 - 11/17/09 04:33 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Please.  Typos?  All I have to say about that is >>>>>>>>>>>> Dan Rather.

And that last screen shot?  On Death panels and rationing?  You might want to consider the latest from the government on mammograms.
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/17/feds-to-women-in-their-40s-skip-the-mammogram/

Stick to the point.


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Re: Fair and balanced? More than anybody else. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #11475442 - 11/17/09 04:41 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Typos? R is nowhere D on the keyboard, man. And you're also missing some context: some of those "typos" ran again, and again, and again, and again, with hours in between.

Give me a break. And I don't see how that is a death panel. And Fox News sponsored the Tea Parties for fuck's fake! Did MSNBC ever host and promote and appear at anti-Bush rallies? NO. Nor did ABC, CBS, Dan Rather, or CNN.

What is so hard to understand about this?


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Re: Fair and balanced? More than anybody else. [Re: jimbotron]
    #11475493 - 11/17/09 04:47 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Whatever are you talking about?  Sponsored the Teaparties?  I don't think so.  One thing they didn't do was describe the participants by a homosexual epithet.  If there are fewer mammograms at an early age more young women will die of breast cancer.  Death.  Panel.

Dan Rather ran a fake news story just before a tight election to discredit one candidate.  The NY Times ran a 2 page story about a fake McCain affair.

That article presented a dispassionate and non partisan analysis of news coverage throughout the media.  Fox was the least skewed.  Suck it.


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Re: Fair and balanced? More than anybody else. [Re: jimbotron]
    #11475534 - 11/17/09 04:55 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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Sponsored the Teaparties?  I don't think so.




I do.























And then, as if that's not enough horseshit to swallow, they had the sheer unmitigated gall to run this ad:



How? Because Fox was flogging it day in and day out for weeks!


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Re: Fair and balanced? More than anybody else. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #11476291 - 11/17/09 07:39 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

It will be interesting to see if those results are replicated by a truly non-partisan media watchdog group.


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Re: Fair and balanced? More than anybody else. [Re: jimbotron]
    #11476468 - 11/17/09 10:14 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

good job copying and pasting a bunch of typos, completely ignoring all of the OP's facts. Humans make mistakes, what a surprise. :shrug:


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    #11476840 - 11/18/09 04:51 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

I really like the last one.  It is an excellent question.  It was a grass roots movement.  How does one conclude that reporting on hundreds of thousands of people protesting government intrusion constitute sponsorship?

And what information does anyone have that indicates that the organization that did the study is partisan?  Other than that partisan hacks don't like the result?


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Re: Fair and balanced? More than anybody else. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #11477011 - 11/18/09 06:09 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

when you have hours of beck and hannity promoting it, not reporting on it; when you can organize it through fox websites, when it is corporate funded (astroturfing) through groups like freedomworks, which are also promoted on the fox propaganda channel. 
A new study by the Pew Research Study shows that viewers of the Daily Show and the Colbert Report have the highest knowledge of national and international affairs, while Fox News viewers rank nearly dead last:

Despite significant technology shifts, however, Pew found that “today’s citizens are about as able to name their leaders, and are about as aware of major news events, as was the public nearly 20 years ago.”

The results about Fox News echo findings of previous surveys. In 2003, University of Maryland researchers studied the public’s belief in three false claims — that Iraq possessed WMD, that Iraq was involved in 9/11, and that there was international support for the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq.

The researchers stated, “The extent of Americans’ misperceptions vary significantly depending on their source of news. Those who receive most of their news from Fox News are more likely than average to have misperceptions.” Fox News viewers were “three times more likely than the next nearest network to hold all three misperceptions.”


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Re: Fair and balanced? More than anybody else. [Re: novumorganum]
    #11477256 - 11/18/09 07:37 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

If it was "astroturf" as pelosi put it you would expect Fox News to be screaming

END THE "FEDERAL" RESERVE!


You don't see Fox News doing that.


Even a dead watch is right twice a day. Zap called it right when he said it was grass roots.




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Re: Fair and balanced? More than anybody else. [Re: Mr.Al]
    #11477302 - 11/18/09 07:47 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

"If it was "astroturf" as pelosi put it you would expect Fox News to be screaming

END THE "FEDERAL" RESERVE!


You don't see Fox News doing that."

Believe it or not, most people who watch Fox News aren't Randroids and couldn't even explain what the Fed is or does, and that's who they were catering to.

If it were grass roots it would have happened WITHOUT Fox News's over-the-top promotion, and you wouldn't have seen all the Glenn Beck signs.


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Re: Fair and balanced? More than anybody else. [Re: jimbotron]
    #11477327 - 11/18/09 07:54 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Who started the idea of the modern tea party?

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/04/ron-paul-tea-party-tea-parties-income-tax.html


How many End the Fed signs did you see?

How many H.R.1207 signs?

Were you at one?


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Re: Fair and balanced? More than anybody else. [Re: Mr.Al]
    #11477617 - 11/18/09 09:18 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Are you going to hijack every thread with your L. Ron Paul nonsense? 

I seem to recall that this was started around the beginning of the year with an on air rant by one of the cable networks (not Fox) financial guys.  If L. Ron said anything about it in 2007 it sure didn't resonate with the people like this has, which just goes to show how much attention everybody not in the Paulintologist church pays attention to the irrelevant gadfly


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Re: Fair and balanced? More than anybody else. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #11477645 - 11/18/09 09:23 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

You saw a bunch of Campaign for Liberty signs right zap?

You were there too.  Right?!?


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Re: Fair and balanced? More than anybody else. [Re: Mr.Al]
    #11477664 - 11/18/09 09:26 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Never been to any of them.  I have no doubt that the Paulintologists were out in force.  You know who else was out in force?  The Larouchies.  Who is about equally as influential and listened to as L. Ron.


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    #11477680 - 11/18/09 09:28 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

It was Rick Santelli, CNBC.


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Re: Fair and balanced? More than anybody else. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #11477699 - 11/18/09 09:34 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

I heard about teaparties from CFL.


You had said the teaparties were grassroots...



Campaign for Liberty is the grassroots organization that was setting up tea parties all over the country.


What I am trying to get across to you is that the neo-conservatives are really very different from the people who want to end the "federal" reserve...  Both sides were there, sure.

Interesting you didn't go.


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    #11478871 - 11/18/09 01:17 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

What does Rick Santelli have to do with neo-cons?  Answer, "Nothing".

Next you'll tell me L. Ron Paul invented the wheel.  And blowjobs.


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Re: Fair and balanced? More than anybody else. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #11478980 - 11/18/09 01:36 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
And what information does anyone have that indicates that the organization that did the study is partisan?




Zap, the author of the article and founder of the organization which did the study, S. Robert Lichter, is a conservative who is closely associated with the American Enterprise Institute- a well known conservative think tank.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=American_Enterprise_Institute

Personally I am distrustful of the conclusions reached and I think the idea of conducting a so-called "scientific" study by any organization of something which seems to be almost inherently subjective is pretty dubious to begin with.


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    #11479094 - 11/18/09 01:56 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

It isn't that difficult to count nor is it that difficult to determine a negative versus a positive description.  It is really pretty simple.


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Re: Fair and balanced? More than anybody else. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #11479272 - 11/18/09 02:25 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

What makes a given story negative or positive?

Sure, there are some clear calls one way or the other but what about the more ambiguous ones?

Ones own political persuasion is a factor in forming such an opinion. Which is all it is. Someone's opinion. I certainly don't buy that there is a "science" to this. It isn't as cut and dried as they pretend. Opinions are subjective.

Science is about observable, measurable and objective facts. Not opinions.

Sorry, I don't trust these kinds of reports. The organization which sponsored it is conservative. If it was a liberal media watch dog judging stories about a conservative president you would have the same problem only from the other side.


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Re: Fair and balanced? More than anybody else. [Re: jimbotron]
    #11479311 - 11/18/09 02:30 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

The funny thing about the last picture in the second set of pics you showed (the one of a poster where FOX news claimed CNN among others didn't cover the Tea Party protests) is that CNN did cover the story. Many times in fact with reporters live on the scene.

And what's really funny is that FOX's picture of the shot with the protesters used in the poster..the one with the flag visible..was taken from a CNN camera!!

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    #11479463 - 11/18/09 02:52 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

It is indisputable that they ignored it for as long as they could.  And when they did cover it they did it pejoratively.  "Teabagging" and all.

If you want to doubt the "science" of it check their methodology.


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Re: Fair and balanced? More than anybody else. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #11479502 - 11/18/09 02:56 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

I could use the same methodology to prove that the press treated Al Gore better than GW Bush in the runup to the 2000 election.


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    #11479552 - 11/18/09 03:02 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, you could.  Because they did.


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    #11479590 - 11/18/09 03:06 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Actually I meant to say the exact opposite.

To give one example: the "invented the internet" flap, which Al Gore never actually said (look it up!) and nobody remarked on the interview until a week later when the RNC put out a press release mocking him.

Suddenly there were articles claiming that "jaws dropped across America" when Al Gore said something that he did not actually say.

And then there was Love Canal, earth-tone suits, all kinds of stupid shit.

Meanwhile, Bush never showed up to his post in the Air National Guard mail room, and had used cocaine and been arrested for a DWI, and the media politely declined to mention any of it.


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    #11479994 - 11/18/09 03:57 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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Meanwhile, Bush never showed up to his post in the Air National Guard mail room, and had used cocaine and been arrested for a DWI, and the media politely declined to mention any of it.



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    #11480869 - 11/18/09 05:52 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

I know he didn't say it.  I also don't remember it being in the media.

Love Canal?  I also have no idea what you're talking about there.  Lois Gibbs is a hero.

George Bush has always been slammed as a retard in the press, print and vid.  Do you not realize that finding an example of unfair treatment of Gore does not mean that there weren't 20 against Bush?  The


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Re: Fair and balanced? More than anybody else. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #11483847 - 11/19/09 05:37 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

The point that I am trying to get across to you is that C.F.L. is a grass roots movement that put together tea parties all over the country.  Neocons are not grass roots.  Many individuals who call themselves conservative in the media attempt to hijack the Liberty Movement.  Beck is a good example.  He won't talk about Austrian economics and he changes the conversation real quick when someone from his audience mentions Ron Paul.

It's about watering down the message really.  Economics that makes sense has been getting a lot of attention lately.  Mainstream media can't ignore it completely.


Many business types listen to Paul because they know things are fucked up and they realize that they've been looking for answers in the wrong places.





You don't have rational arguments against sound economics.  You didn't even understand how morality is central in economics that works (remember our discussions on monetary policy?)....  Fact is you haven't done your homework.


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    #11486252 - 11/19/09 02:25 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

How is it a grass rots movement if it is the product of a Congressman?  What do neocons have to do with the tea partiers?  What evidence do you have that either L. Ron Paul or the Austrian School is anything other than a fringe fantasy?  What specifically do you want to use as currency at your local grocery store and why do you think you can force them to accept it?


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Re: Fair and balanced? More than anybody else. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #11489900 - 11/19/09 10:14 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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How is it a grass rots movement if it is the product of a Congressman?  What do neocons have to do with the tea partiers?  What evidence do you have that either L. Ron Paul or the Austrian School is anything other than a fringe fantasy?  What specifically do you want to use as currency at your local grocery store and why do you think you can force them to accept it?





:lol:

It is not a question of "forcing" someone to accept a medium of exchange (not necessarily currency).  It is a question as to when inflation wipes out the fiat currency and people operating in the economy find other means (read: NOT fiat currency) to solve indirect exchange in a complex economy.

In case you forgot, fiat currency is the medium of exchange that is mandated by government.  Free market money entails competition which means people are not being "forced" to accept it.

I cite H.R.1207, which has 309 co-sponsors.  If the American people did not want a real audit of the "fed" such legislation would not have that many cosponsors.

I am speaking about neocons because it is those individuals who have been attempting to hijack the Liberty Movement by watering down the message.

That is why Fox News reported so much on the Tea Parties but is not screaming for the "fed" to cease existing.  The awareness of the problems the "fed" has caused forced the news networks to report on it in some fashion.  The best way for them to accomplish this is to water down the message with neoconservative b.s.


This is the very same reason you never hear Beck waxing philosophical about Austrian Business Cycle Theory.


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    #11491947 - 11/20/09 09:42 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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How is it a grass rots movement if it is the product of a Congressman?  What do neocons have to do with the tea partiers?  What evidence do you have that either L. Ron Paul or the Austrian School is anything other than a fringe fantasy?  What specifically do you want to use as currency at your local grocery store and why do you think you can force them to accept it?





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It is not a question of "forcing" someone to accept a medium of exchange (not necessarily currency).  It is a question as to when inflation wipes out the fiat currency and people operating in the economy find other means (read: NOT fiat currency) to solve indirect exchange in a complex economy.



:lol: 

I don't think the dollar or the Euro or the Yen is going to be wiped out in spite of your repeated chicken Little lunacy.  Once again, I ask what would you replace it with?  Rocks?  Pork bellies?  Tuna heads?
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In case you forgot, fiat currency is the medium of exchange that is mandated by government.  Free market money entails competition which means people are not being "forced" to accept it.




Good fucking luck getting anybody to accept your Bank of Bungholia scrip.
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I cite H.R.1207, which has 309 co-sponsors.  If the American people did not want a real audit of the "fed" such legislation would not have that many cosponsors.




I believe the House actually passed that today.  The American People do not vote on bills before Congress, as I'm sure you know.  I'm also sure you know that the bill does not abolish the Fed, reinstate the gold standard, abolish fiat currency, amend the Constitution or any of a whole lot of other things I'm sure the Paulintologists would like.
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I am speaking about neocons because it is those individuals who have been attempting to hijack the Liberty Movement by watering down the message.




What the fuck are you talking about?  Nobody gives a shit about the Liberty Movement because almost everybody knows L. Ron is an inconsequential gadfly.  Please provide one example of neo-con hijackery of the Liberty Movement, whatever that is.  Just so I can get some kind of idea of what you are babbling about.  Added question;  Is Rick Santelli a neo-con?
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That is why Fox News reported so much on the Tea Parties but is not screaming for the "fed" to cease existing.  The awareness of the problems the "fed" has caused forced the news networks to report on it in some fashion.  The best way for them to accomplish this is to water down the message with neoconservative b.s.




Fox News reported on the Tea Parties because they were happening and newsworthy.  What neocon BS are you babbling about?  L. Ron has his own glorious platform from which to spout all the unadulterated nonsense he wants.  Are you trying to say that neo-cons do not deserve to express their views because it somehow conflicts with the Great L. Ron's message?  Are you demanding that news outlets only report on the Great L. Ron?  Without allowing any deviation?  All other conservatives should just shut the fuck up?
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This is the very same reason you never hear Beck waxing philosophical about Austrian Business Cycle Theory.




I have never heard Beck wax anything, but it is probably more because he thinks they are fucking lunatic idiots or, at best, a gang of throwback don Quixote type fools arguing that there were no business cycles before fiat currency.


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Re: Fair and balanced? More than anybody else. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #11497868 - 11/21/09 09:07 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

You guys have to stop turning every thread you enter into a pissing contest over Ron Paul and fiat currency. This thread is about the alleged balance/imbalance of TV news organizations, FOX News in particular.



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Re: Fair and balanced? More than anybody else. [Re: Phred]
    #11503192 - 11/22/09 08:45 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

I find it very interesting that Fox news has been promoting Palin so much....  given that she is not a viable candidate to win a presidential election.


Both parties take turns playing controlled opposition.


"Fair and Balanced":rofl:


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    #11503210 - 11/22/09 08:50 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

How is reporting news promoting?  Once again more nonsense.  Was Oprah promoting Palin?


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    #11503225 - 11/22/09 08:53 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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How is reporting news promoting?  Once again more nonsense.  Was Oprah promoting Palin?






If republican slanted news media was shooting (for repubs) to win the 2012 presidential election they would not be chatting up Palin every day.


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    #11503338 - 11/22/09 09:24 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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good job copying and pasting a bunch of typos, completely ignoring all of the OP's facts. Humans make mistakes, what a surprise.




Is this sarcasm?

If not, have you ever taken a statistics course?

How many times was Blago (& others) misidentified as (R)?

If not, then what is the probability that a 50/50 "honest mistake" is made one way (at least) four times, but none the other way?


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Re: Fair and balanced? More than anybody else. [Re: Mr.Al]
    #11504571 - 11/22/09 01:01 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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If republican slanted news media was shooting (for repubs) to win the 2012 presidential election they would not be chatting up Palin every day.




then why does every other news source cover palin every day as well
they really must want to get rid of Obama

http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/politics/government/sarah-palin-PEPLT0007504.topic
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/11/13/2126312.aspx
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34000354/ns/politics/

havent they learned yet that there really is no such thing as bad
publicity, they're just keeping her in the headlines, it's shameless
promotion and it'll make sure she's in the public eye for years to come


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Re: Fair and balanced? More than anybody else. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #11510208 - 11/23/09 10:26 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

You aren't making sense dude.

Palin is not a viable presidential candidate.


Promoting Palin does the conservatives no good in 2012.


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    #11513712 - 11/23/09 05:54 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

The Conservatives are not a viable party.  Yet. The Republicans are not conservative.  Yet.

I agree that Palin is not a viable candidate.  Probably never will be.  She speaks her mind.


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    #11516454 - 11/24/09 01:30 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

It depends on what you define as conservative...


You claim to hold conservative views.  I surmise this includes the view that a much smaller federal government would be beneficial to our economic well-being.

The problem you have is that you don't know how to arrive at small government.

True, republicans aren't exactly conservative in their views regarding the size and spending of government.  The correct question to ask is why. 

I don't hold any illusions regarding Palin.  She is not a shady character like most politicians, but she does not have a game-plan to fix the mess we are facing.  This includes a dollar crisis right around the corner.


Perhaps the simplest means of addressing these problems is to hold the federal government to the Constitution.

That is a big difference between you and I zap:  I recognize that the federal government is not above the law.  When examining the current state of our economy it is foolish to not consider the tremendous impact that an unconstitutional monetary policy has.


The economic problems that we have in this country are systemic in nature.  The system itself is not sustainable.  If this is not addressed quickly we will have a situation on our hands that will make the Great Depression look like a swell time.


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    #11517500 - 11/24/09 08:38 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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It depends on what you define as conservative...


You claim to hold conservative views.  I surmise this includes the view that a much smaller federal government would be beneficial to our economic well-being.

The problem you have is that you don't know how to arrive at small government.




Actually, I do.
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True, republicans aren't exactly conservative in their views regarding the size and spending of government.  The correct question to ask is why.




That is why I capitalized "conservative" in one sentence and not the other.  In the first instance it was a proper noun and in the second I was using it as an adjective.  Thank you for telling me what is correct.  It was ever so helpful.
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I don't hold any illusions regarding Palin.  She is not a shady character like most politicians, but she does not have a game-plan to fix the mess we are facing.  This includes a dollar crisis right around the corner.




Unlike L. Ron's game plan which is to put control of the currency more tightly in the hands of politicians than it is now.  The dollar crisis stems from borrowing, whatever the rate.  Stop borrowing, stop spending, stop wasting.
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Perhaps the simplest means of addressing these problems is to hold the federal government to the Constitution.




In what way do you believe the Federal Government has deviated from the Constitution specifically?  And what agency do you see forcing it to adhere to your interpretation of the Constitution and not, say, the Supreme Courts?
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That is a big difference between you and I zap:  I recognize that the federal government is not above the law.  When examining the current state of our economy it is foolish to not consider the tremendous impact that an unconstitutional monetary policy has.




I recognize that you have no idea whatsoever about the law.  I hate to break it to you but any analysis of law you have ever elucidated is based on the most jejune and sophomoric understanding of almost any regular poster here.  There are centuries of Supreme Court decisions by actual judges trained in the law that say your ideas are nonsense.  You don't even get heard anymore because the judges can only tolerate so much stand up comedy in a given session.
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The economic problems that we have in this country are systemic in nature.  The system itself is not sustainable.  If this is not addressed quickly we will have a situation on our hands that will make the Great Depression look like a swell time.




The systemic problem is not what you think it is.  The systemic problem is the problem of human nature.  Any politician once in power desires to keep and wield to the greatest extent possible.  This is why even reasonably conservative politicians once in office tend to morph into big government assholes in fairly short order.  There is also a problem that bums vote for the promise of handouts.  A particularly recent example is Landrieu.  She sold a vote on health care for 300 million dollars worth of pork, which she will then tell her constituents was a victory for them.


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    #11519052 - 11/24/09 12:58 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Politicians have been using the business cycle to their advantage in the short term.  The housing bubble that started during the Clinton years is a good example of this.

You have demonstrated that you do not (much like the federal government) respect the highest law of the land, the Constitution.

It is precisely your ignorance of what Constitutional monetary policy is that prevents you from understanding how the government has grown to it's present size and amassed such large amounts of debt. 


You mentioned "stop borrowing"....  Sure we can not afford to be in debt to the tune of trillions to China.  How can this be solved?  We could get rid of legal tender laws and introduce monetary competition.  You still can't give me a rational & moral argument for the continued existence of "the fed".  You put together made up arguments that have nothing to do with reason. 


You like to make fun of Congressman Paul.  Palin doesn't appear to understand economics.  She has been making an effort recently but that doesn't compare to Paul who has been fighting to end the "federal" reserve for decades.



We are heading straight towards a dollar crisis in America.  You are an ostrich because YOU FAIL to admit that the unconstitutional "federal" reserve is to blame for it.

This dollar crisis will make the Great Depression look like a Sunday picnic.


When the shit hits the fan old man, just look in the mirror and remember it was ostriches like you that allowed for it to happen.



Dollar crisis ostrich, wax philosophical about the causes of it that do not involve the "federal" reserve.

You wear clown shoes BTW...


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    #11519558 - 11/24/09 02:01 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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Politicians have been using the business cycle to their advantage in the short term.  The housing bubble that started during the Clinton years is a good example of this.

You have demonstrated that you do not (much like the federal government) respect the highest law of the land, the Constitution.




You have demonstrated an ignorance of the law and a complete unwillingness to specify just what you find to be a violation of the Constitution.  Hence you are a gadfly and a troll.  You do not debate, you parrot, poorly and with zero depth.
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It is precisely your ignorance of what Constitutional monetary policy is that prevents you from understanding how the government has grown to it's present size and amassed such large amounts of debt.




It is precisely your stunning narcissism that blinds you to the fact that you have zero idea of what you write about regarding any Constitutional issues.
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You mentioned "stop borrowing"....  Sure we can not afford to be in debt to the tune of trillions to China.  How can this be solved?  We could get rid of legal tender laws and introduce monetary competition.  You still can't give me a rational & moral argument for the continued existence of "the fed".  You put together made up arguments that have nothing to do with reason.


  How would getting rid of legal tender laws stop borrowing by the Federal government?  Answer, it won't.  Thank you, now go home.  The rest of your paragraph is nonsensical lies about what I have posted.
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You like to make fun of Congressman Paul.  Palin doesn't appear to understand economics.  She has been making an effort recently but that doesn't compare to Paul who has been fighting to end the "federal" reserve for decades.




Although I find L. Ron Paul to be a fringe nutcase I find his acolytes disturbingly.............religious.  It is them I mostly make fun of.  Well, actually, YOU.  So Paul's idea of fighting the Fed is to put it more tightly under Government control.  Tell me again who the statist is?
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We are heading straight towards a dollar crisis in America.  You are an ostrich because YOU FAIL to admit that the unconstitutional "federal" reserve is to blame for it.




No, you are a fool because you think it is. 
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This dollar crisis will make the Great Depression look like a Sunday picnic.




Wanna bet?
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When the shit hits the fan old man, just look in the mirror and remember it was ostriches like you that allowed for it to happen.




Me and 99% of the rest of the population, Chicken Little.
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Dollar crisis ostrich, wax philosophical about the causes of it that do not involve the "federal" reserve.

You wear clown shoes BTW...




And mighty big shoes they are.  One's you will never be able to fill.  Say, do you know what shoe size correlates with?


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    #11519585 - 11/24/09 02:05 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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    #11519609 - 11/24/09 02:08 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

I hope everyone has by now figured out that corporate elite own most of the major media,  and also fund/groom politicians and political campaigns.


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    #11519655 - 11/24/09 02:15 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

are you serious?

so a fair and balanced media is impossible, no matter the outlet?

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    #11522457 - 11/24/09 08:26 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

This thread has been closed.

Reason:
As I told you guys earlier -

You guys have to stop turning every thread you enter into a pissing contest over Ron Paul and fiat currency. This thread is about the alleged balance/imbalance of TV news organizations, FOX News in particular.

Locked because of bullheadedness.


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