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 CureCat
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 Re: Official Fall 2009 Winter 2010 San Francisco, Bay Area Thread. Post your finds here! [Re: Twiztidsage]
#11424373 - 11/10/09 04:55 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Indeed, I did not specify a toxin. Mushrooms of all sorts have a knack for absorbing heavy metals; I'm not sure what else they might be able to absorb without metabolizing in the process.
Thanks for posting the link to the other thread and .
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nightflyer
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Re: Official Fall 2009 Winter 2010 San Francisco, Bay Area Thread. Post your finds here! [Re: CureCat]
#11424463 - 11/10/09 06:07 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
CureCat said:
I'm not sure what else they might be able to absorb without metabolizing in the process.
Radionuclides, like Cesium 137 and others.
Example: Boletus badius (Syn. Xerocomus badius).
http://www.jstor.org/pss/4218772
http://dbiodbs.univ.trieste.it/ecoapp/cesio.pdf
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auweia
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Re: Official Fall 2009 Winter 2010 San Francisco, Bay Area Thread. Post your finds here! [Re: nightflyer]
#11424553 - 11/10/09 06:36 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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yeah, the oysters were indeed spawned by Robyn Waxman, head of the Hooper ST FARM back in March earlier this year when they first started it, and yes, all the soil and chips were brought in from cleaner sources, but the ground underneath was once somewhat industrial toxic years ago..but that's still a good foot or so separation.
However, I think she mentioned to me once that when she put the oyster spawn in, it was in cardboard at the base, so yeah, that might be the 'bio-remediation' part of it, and thus bringing up the lower metals, possibly
There's not much traffic around there anymore like it used to be since the old factories nearby are long gone, and it's only a school next door
I tried the strawberries back in August, where those oysters are growing next to, and they were great. The only concern Robyn Waxman said, in email, was one of the other gardeners said the oysters might affect the taste of the strawberries, so pull them out.
and I said, nah, that's not likeley and it's more likeley the oysters will help the strawberries absorb nutrients
maybe in the long term we can hook up with some people to get those oysters tested for any heavy metals. Any ideas who might be willing to get them tested?..Nearby UCSF campus maybe?
Edited by auweia (11/10/09 06:36 AM)
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CureCat
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Re: Official Fall 2009 Winter 2010 San Francisco, Bay Area Thread. Post your finds here! [Re: CureCat]
#11425983 - 11/10/09 11:45 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't know anyone who would be interested in testing for heavy metals in mushrooms... Most of the people I know are more interested in testing the genetics of mushrooms, such as the mycologists at SFSU and UCB.
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 Twiztidsage
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Re: Official Fall 2009 Winter 2010 San Francisco, Bay Area Thread. Post your finds here! [Re: CureCat]
#11426290 - 11/10/09 12:32 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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You can send specimen for analysis to Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry for $35 to $150 per test, depending on toxins tested.
And Nightflyer, cesium is a metal.
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nightflyer
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Re: Official Fall 2009 Winter 2010 San Francisco, Bay Area Thread. Post your finds here! [Re: Twiztidsage]
#11426679 - 11/10/09 01:20 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Twiztidsage said:
And Nightflyer, cesium is a metal.
Cesium is an alkali- metal (not a heavy metal) and it's toxic radioactive isotope Cesium 137
was accumulated by many mushrooms in Europe after the Chernobyl catastrophe
in Russia.
Edited by nightflyer (11/10/09 01:46 PM)
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dummy
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Re: Official Fall 2009 Winter 2010 San Francisco, Bay Area Thread. Post your finds here! [Re: nightflyer]
#11427318 - 11/10/09 03:53 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm sure you could ask some chemists at sf state
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cyanophilus
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Re: Official Fall 2009 Winter 2010 San Francisco, Bay Area Thread. Post your finds here! [Re: dummy]
#11431920 - 11/11/09 08:21 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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some gymns I found in a new location
LOTS OF PORCINI - Ive got enough to last the dry season I think.
over the weekend I also collected a bunch of Boletus appendiculatus, Amanita amerimuscaria, Laccaria bicolor, Laccaria amethysteo-occidentalis, Boletus subtomentosus, Leccinum manzanitae and Suillus caerulescens for the table.
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auweia
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Re: Official Fall 2009 Winter 2010 San Francisco, Bay Area Thread. Post your finds here! [Re: cyanophilus]
#11443580 - 11/12/09 06:20 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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update on the Hooper street guerrilla garden, SF. They'll be having a gardening session this Saturday from 11-1pm
they don't know diddly about the oysters there, even though Robyn planted them months ago. If anybody knows anybody with the MSSF who might want to go down there and give them some advice.
all I could tell them so far is other projects like the Presidio Cosco Busan oil spill cleanup with oysters
http://www.presidio.gov/trust/press/pressreleases/mushrooms.htm
http://www.matteroftrust.org/programs/hairSFspyoutubes.html
They just need some advice on what to expect, how it won't harm the strawberries, what to do with the oysters, things like that
I imagine a little networking could help..Anyway, you have the date and time, PM me if you want, and I'll pass it on..thanks
you could email her directly too
http://www.cca.edu/about/sustainability/farm-project
You see, the thing I noticed, is this on the website > "A protective plastic layer exists between the remediation project and the added sheet mulch."
of the oysters were planted under the plastic, then they broke through and are now part of the chips, and might be bringing up lead into the fruits.
well, who knows...
update, this from Robyn
"The mushroom spores were inserted above the plastic- everything we brought in is above the plastic. That plastic is 3 feet below the top of the mounds- it's the bottom layer below our sheetmulching. I'm quite sure they came with the new materials and what we put into the mounds (which were oyster mycellium in wet cardboard.) If you see non-oyster mushrooms, that wasn't us-- but may have come along with the mulch and woodchips."
Those oysters are probably fine, in that case
Edited by auweia (11/12/09 07:06 PM)
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auweia
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Re: Official Fall 2009 Winter 2010 San Francisco, Bay Area Thread. Post your finds here! [Re: auweia]
#11443975 - 11/12/09 07:02 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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oh yeah, and it's that time of year again, the annual warning and family in hospital, this time in Lodi in the central valley
amanita phaloides
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/11/12/BARH1AJ8EA.DTL&tsp=1
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CaliforniaLove
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Re: Official Fall 2009 Winter 2010 San Francisco, Bay Area Thread. Post your finds here! [Re: cyanophilus]
#11445541 - 11/12/09 11:12 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
cyanophilus said:
some gymns I found in a new location
LOTS OF PORCINI - Ive got enough to last the dry season I think.
over the weekend I also collected a bunch of Boletus appendiculatus, Amanita amerimuscaria, Laccaria bicolor, Laccaria amethysteo-occidentalis, Boletus subtomentosus, Leccinum manzanitae and Suillus caerulescens for the table.
i found a few of these recently and when i dried them they came out rele flaky and almost paper thin. i am thinking i kept them in the dehydrator too long. have you experienced anything like this with this particular type of mushie?
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canid
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Re: Official Fall 2009 Winter 2010 San Francisco, Bay Area Thread. Post your finds here! [Re: CaliforniaLove]
#11445580 - 11/12/09 11:20 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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dried mushrooms are supposed to be cracker dry.
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CaliforniaLove
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Re: Official Fall 2009 Winter 2010 San Francisco, Bay Area Thread. Post your finds here! [Re: canid]
#11447320 - 11/13/09 10:34 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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yea but they seemed much too meaty to dry down to this thin. i have dried others before and never got this brittle
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cyanophilus
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Re: Official Fall 2009 Winter 2010 San Francisco, Bay Area Thread. Post your finds here! [Re: CaliforniaLove]
#11447654 - 11/13/09 11:36 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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which mushroom did you find? you weren't very specific. I have no experience drying gymns. if your talkin about porcini, slice them 1/4" thin.
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CaliforniaLove
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Re: Official Fall 2009 Winter 2010 San Francisco, Bay Area Thread. Post your finds here! [Re: CaliforniaLove]
#11447718 - 11/13/09 11:46 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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in my first post i copied the pics of them but their name is Gymnopilus luteofolius
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BlimeyGrimey
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Re: Official Fall 2009 Winter 2010 San Francisco, Bay Area Thread. Post your finds here! [Re: Twiztidsage]
#11449213 - 11/13/09 04:05 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Twiztidsage said:
I thought that the mushrooms contained no gnarly chems, but may have had heavy metals.
At least in the first experiment.
When tested for harmful chemicals, there were no petroleum residues found in the fruit bodies when they were grown in diesel and oil saturated soil, but they were not tested for heavy metals.
Not trying to argue, just clarify things a bit. Here is a link to where we have talked about this before on The Shroomery.
Pleurotus ostreatus is known to be able to digest hydrocarbons (oil/petroleum). That is why there is no residue found in the fruit bodies.
RR once sent off some mushrooms to be tested for metals.
Here's the thread.
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cyanophilus
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Re: Official Fall 2009 Winter 2010 San Francisco, Bay Area Thread. Post your finds here! [Re: CaliforniaLove]
#11450469 - 11/13/09 07:38 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hericium coralloides
  
Leccinum manzanitae
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Don’t just keep ones head down and ones pace steady, look behind to make sure there’s no trail of destruction. Consider that the things below ones feet in physicality, are actually above ones head in importance. Remember that we are not the only ones alive, and are definitely not depended upon to continue living. We are an expendable creature in the eyes of the earth. Thus, we must treat ourselves like we are guests. Accommodations must be made for life all over the planet. The power of life is incredibly diverse, intelligent, and intricate in its adaptability. Lets not give nature a reason to consume us in turn.
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auweia
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Re: Official Fall 2009 Winter 2010 San Francisco, Bay Area Thread. Post your finds here! [Re: cyanophilus]
#11450961 - 11/13/09 08:53 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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I like your finds cyanophilus..makes me want to rent a car to get to outlying areas.
The question regarding the Hooper street public guerrilla garden...
http://www.cca.edu/about/sustainability/farm-project
isn't so much whether this or that mushroom will absorb or decompose certain metals, or oil compounds so much, as it is whether or not if they do it like that, it will still be edible
there's so many factors involved here, it would eventually take an entire website to explain it, and there probably will be, some day
but for right now, these 'guerrilla' gardens, which ARE tentatively supported by the city of San Francisco, need to have a little scrutiny at least, because in the case of the Hooper street garden, it was a former toxic site, and there WAS lead found in the soil
However, they separated that, at least for the garden by sheets of plastic below everything they dumped on top of it, including the chips and the oyster mushrooms, which could now have broken through, either way...it's hard to say
whether or not the oyster mycelium even came in contact with the lead contaminated soil below is hard to say, and supposing that was the case, did any of the lead actually make it to the fruiting bodies? (even tougher to say without testing)
All of this is brand new stuff in the science field and really presents new challenges
There ARE plans for more 'guerrilla gardens' around San Francisco and the greater Bay Area. These involve public property, usually long abandoned, and sometimes formerly industrial areas...Many of them will be just like this, full of wood chips, planted with different plants, and sometimes inoculated with Oysters at planting time, with the specific intention of an added benefit to help clean up the former industrial site
yes, this was started by Stamets and friends and word got around to people who know little about mushrooms, and now it's coming back to us, in a way..and maybe in a big way if it keeps up like that
Basically, the person who planted the Oyster mycelium was advised by somebody else, and she just stuck it in there back 9 months ago and didn't think anything of it, and BANG, here we are
not to make this a really big part of this Bay Area hunting thread, but.....
You know, there's a really big push for community gardens like this, and many involve wood chips, because in the last 10 years, people have really learned that wood chips hold in moisture in drought conditions and help plants, mushrooms included)
In terms of urban hunting, just about nothing can be bigger than thousands of these scattered around
and one of the biggest of all, not exactly a community garden, but it's one of the biggest in the Bay Area, and nearly guaranteed to have piles of wood chips
just announced yesterday, phase 2..the mother of all urban hunting grounds...and it hasn't even been built yet
10,000 homes, 800 acres, twice the size of Treasure Island and guess what, Stamets and John Barone at Far West fungi, who donated the mycelium, were already invoved of the cleanup of the former US Naval Shipyard at Hunters Point, San Fransisco ( barone at far west fungi (farmers markets SF is still trying to clone p subaeruginascens, and having a hell of a time - apparently it has to be in absolute perfect condition to enable that - yeah, he's scratching his head too...sheesh
http://sf.curbed.com/archives/2009/11/13/hunters_point_report_drops_49ers_stadium_still_in_the_works.php
and yes, mushrooms have been involved with the cleanup of really major toxic sites, in the top ten of the federal list of Superfund sites...you know what the real problem is?....when the toxics start disappearing, how does a scientist prove a negative?
lol
by comparing previous records, of course....assuming there were such records in the past 
tough question, I admit...one that will be a part of us urban hunters for many years to come
Edited by auweia (11/13/09 09:33 PM)
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auweia
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Re: Official Fall 2009 Winter 2010 San Francisco, Bay Area Thread. Post your finds here! [Re: auweia]
#11453352 - 11/14/09 10:43 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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really really bizarre....sorry, don't mean to talk about the weather, but did it rain last night?...Woke up this morning to wet streets and no mention of rain anywhere...supposed to be dry all last week and this weekend
WTF?...the roof next door is all wet with puddles
what the hell is going on here?..somebody save us!...oh the humanity!
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quadracer
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Re: Official Fall 2009 Winter 2010 San Francisco, Bay Area Thread. Post your finds here! [Re: auweia]
#11453356 - 11/14/09 10:46 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah I woke up thinking the same thing... I was expecting the rain on Wednesday night but not last night. Better than nothing though!
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