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U.S. intelligence agencies were aware months ago that Army Major Nidal Malik Hasan was attempting to make contact with people associated with al Qaeda, two American officials briefed on classified material in the case told ABC News.

Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-MI), the ranking Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, said that he requested the CIA and other intelligence agencies brief the committee on what was known, if anything, about Hasan by the U.S. intelligence community, only to be refused.

In response, Hoekstra issued a document preservation request to four intelligence agencies. The letter, dated November 7th, was sent to directors Dennis Blair (DNI), Robert Mueller (FBI), Lt. Gen Keith Alexander (NSA) and Leon Panetta (CIA).

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Poid said:
Just like 9/11, it was another Muslim-influenced terrorist attack on our soil.

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THC Titan said:
Although it will be interesting to learn how premeditated this attack was, I don't think that he has always had the intent of killing his fellow countrymen.

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Prisoner#1 said:
it's speculation, how is it that ABC news has access to intelligence reports while the Senate Intelligence Committee doesnt?

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Fort Hood gunman had told US military colleagues that infidels should have their throats cut
Major Nidal Malik Hasan, the gunman who killed 13 at America's Fort Hood military base, once gave a lecture to other doctors in which he said non-believers should be beheaded and have boiling oil poured down their throats.

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Prisoner#1 said:
it's speculation, how is it that ABC news has access to intelligence reports while the Senate Intelligence Committee doesnt?

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Who says they don't?

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zappaisgod said:
Is this political yet?

Anent to my earlier locked posts regarding the fact that people were afraid to blow the whistle on this tool because he was Muslim

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that the case of the Flying Imams

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it's speculation, how is it that ABC news has access to intelligence reports while the Senate Intelligence Committee doesnt?

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Who says they don't?

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a reason to question the validity

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it's speculation, how is it that ABC news has access to intelligence reports while the Senate Intelligence Committee doesnt?

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Madtowntripper said:
That we can't have a discussion about this topic because Priz finds it troubling, or offensive is ridiculous.

I won't be posting here anymore.

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it's speculation, how is it that ABC news has access to intelligence reports while the Senate Intelligence Committee doesnt?

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The article did not claim ABC News had direct access to the classified material.

It says "two American officials briefed on classified material in the case told ABC News."

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That we can't have a discussion about this topic because Priz finds it troubling, or offensive is ridiculous.

I won't be posting here anymore.

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Seriously, me too.

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That we can't have a discussion about this topic because Priz finds it troubling, or offensive is ridiculous.

I won't be posting here anymore.

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Seriously, me too.

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I third that.

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That we can't have a discussion about this topic because Priz finds it troubling, or offensive is ridiculous.

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Seriously, me too.

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I third that.

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I don't think Prisoner is going to lock the thread again if it stays on-topic.

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zappaisgod said:
Holy fucking shit there is no amount of reports that will satisfy you.

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Two officials speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the case on the record said the Washington-based joint terrorism task force overseen by the FBI was notified of communications between Hasan and a radical imam overseas, and the information was turned over to a Defense Criminal Investigative Service employee assigned to the task force.

That worker wrote up an assessment of Hasan after reviewing the Army major's personnel file and the communications. The assessment concluded Hasan did not merit further investigation, in large part because his communications with the imam were centered on a research paper he was writing at the time, and the investigator had concluded Hasan was in fact working on such a paper, the officials said

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Sacrificing Americans

Many in the media are arguing there is nothing more to the Major Hasan mass murder than derangement and the various personal "issues" that "set him off."

But there are two considerations that argue against such an interpretation. First, we look for patterns in all cases of individuals' shooting others on a mass scale. Hasan gave every indication that he was channeling his own personal sense of frustration into a larger Islamic writ against the West — as have some 20 other killers since 9/11 who have shot, stabbed, or run over innocents at malls, airline counters, military facilities, and Jewish-affiliated centers.

If we once focused on postal conditions and security at post-office installations when workers (between 1986 and 1997) snapped under the thematic pretense of job stress, and if we investigated the nexus of video games, drugs, cults, and counter-culture alienation when suburban youths went on shooting sprees, then it seems legitimate to look for commonalities when someone self-identifies as a rather radical Muslim and shouts "Allahu Akbar!" as he fires — in the same manner that the mad driver in North Carolina, or the killer in Seattle, or the homicidal driver in San Francisco afterwards said they were acting out of Islamic religious fervor against Jews or Westerners.

Second, if we counted up the number of "lone wolf" incidents and added it to the number of Islamist terrorist plots that have been foiled since 9/11, we would arrive at more than 40 incidents of terrorist killings or efforts to kill on a wide scale. If anyone could find a comparable series of anti-abortion terrorist acts, backlash attacks on Muslims, anti-Semitic attacks perpetrated by non-Muslims, Jewish attacks on Middle Easterners, or radical environmentalist killings, then one could argue that the public was unduly focusing on Islam.

It seems, instead, that about every three to four months, either a single Muslim male will shoot or run over somebody and tie the violence to some sort of jihadist theme, or a group of Muslim males will be caught trying to blow up something or shoot someone, usually on a mass scale.

The general conclusions I would draw, based on the statements of the authorities, those in the military, the media, and the general public, are something like the following:

(1) Most people do not wish to be smeared as bigots, racists, or anti-Muslim, and therefore they will resist suggesting that such violence fits a pattern involving radical Islamic hatred.

(2) Most people assume either that the authorities will break up the plot before it reaches 9/11 proportions, or that the lone-wolf attacker will kill someone else far away, and therefore conclude that they are safe enough and it is a tolerable problem.

(3) Most also accept that (a) most Muslims in the U.S. are not violent, and therefore (b) we have no way in a free society to pick out in advance possible bad actors, and (c) the most likely preemptive strategies — screening imams, infiltrating "charities," monitoring hate literature, reporting radicals at work, and screening web postings — are all fraught with civil-liberties and political-correctness land mines, and are as likely to boomerang on the authorities or well-intended citizens as they are to produce firm evidence that deters an Islamist killer before he acts.

Bottom line: The society at large, driven by the sermonizing of its elites, has come to an unstated conclusion that, unfortunately, a few Americans will have to be sacrificed from time to time, for the larger goal of establishing the fact that Americans in no way think Muslims are any more likely than any others to commit either random or premeditated terrorist violence. I think that is the initial lesson of Fort Hood. (I remember something similar from the 1980s and 1990s, when we accepted that to be a diplomat or a soldier stationed in the Middle East or Africa or anywhere in the Muslim world meant that there was some chance that your barracks, camp, hotel, embassy, or ship would be attacked — and very little chance that the U.S. government would do much in response other than launch an occasional ineffectual cruise missile or offer a bombastic "this will not stand" speech.)

If the lone-wolf incidents start happening ten times a year, rather than three or four, and if one or two terrorist plots succeed and result in several hundred killed, then attitudes may change (at least for a while).

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Second, if we counted up the number of "lone wolf" incidents and added it to the number of Islamist terrorist plots that have been foiled since 9/11, we would arrive at more than 40 incidents of terrorist killings or efforts to kill on a wide scale. If anyone could find a comparable series of anti-abortion terrorist acts, backlash attacks on Muslims, anti-Semitic attacks perpetrated by non-Muslims, Jewish attacks on Middle Easterners, or radical environmentalist killings, then one could argue that the public was unduly focusing on Islam.

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well finding those numbers is easy, all we have to do is look at Iraq,
specifically private security contractors but also the military, we know
someone in there must hate a towel head or two

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/07/19/iraq.bodycount/

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Mr.Al said:
Possible.


I was taught to always acquire targets before squeezing off rounds.

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Is this political yet?

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not if you keep interjecting religion into it, what ever happened to
that whole separation of church and state crap you guys keep insisting
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I honestly dont care if it delves into the realm of religion or anything
else, I locked a troll thread and was accused of being inconsistent in
moderating, locking all the hasan threads on the religious connotation
was consistency and as of yet there's still nothing but speculation that
the event at Fort Hood was anything more than some jackass that snapped

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Ferris said:
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Who is the racist?  Methinks the racist is the person who excuses bad behavior because of the race or religion of the perpetrator or suspect.  Why were the ample warning signs ignored?  Because of a fear to offend a preferred group.  Affirmative Action and political correctness are racist.  Pointing that out is not.

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Ferris said:
I'm like on my deathbed here and I don't feel like hearing you bitch about Muslims and spew your nationalistic bullshit and hate language.

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Ferris said:
I'm like on my deathbed here and I don't feel like hearing you bitch about Muslims and spew your nationalistic bullshit and hate language.

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Ferris said:
No thanks, debating your bigotry only legitimizes it.  The correct response is abject scorn.

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Ferris said:
Nah, he's probably the biggest racist on the Shroomery.

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Ferris said:
You're defending prejudice right now and are all too ready to protest in order to get your position heard some more.  What satisfaction this gives you, we can't know for sure.

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Mr.Al said:
I am saying that the situation with muslim terrorists is that they are the extremists of their particular group, if I thought otherwise I could possibly be a racist !

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How is it racism?


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It should have been addressed, but perhaps not in the manner or for the reasons you assert.  Simply talking about Islam is not a warning sign, although there were a few.

It is indeed racist to think that.

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