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 Nidal Hasan Tried To Contact Al Qaida, US Officials Knew Months Ago 
#11418843 - 11/09/09 12:03 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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First of all, I think it's extraordinarily lame that Prisoner is the only one insisting that a shooting on a military base does not enter the realm of political discussion, even contingently, and closes such threads on that misguided notion. This topic doesn't belong in the spirituality forum - the main idea is not the metaphysical beliefs of Hasan, whatever they may be. This isn't some pop culture occurrence or celebrity death that should be confined to a general discussion board.
Here's a non-exhaustive list of subjects involved in this story: foreign policy, military, religion, race & ethnicity, political radicalism, national politics on a variety of issues, not to mention the context of this incident (Obama formulating a new Afghanistan policy, increased violence over there).
The last thread was titled "Sen. Joe Lieberman Calls Ft Hood Attack "Act of Islamic Extremism"". Even in isolation, Lieberman's comments expose a political angle to this story that is gaining increasing traction on politics-oriented news and blogs.
Here's a news update from the POLITICS SECTION of ABC News:
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/fort-hood-shooter-contact-al-qaeda-terrorists-officials/story?id=9030873 (read for full story)
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U.S. intelligence agencies were aware months ago that Army Major Nidal Malik Hasan was attempting to make contact with people associated with al Qaeda, two American officials briefed on classified material in the case told ABC News.
Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-MI), the ranking Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, said that he requested the CIA and other intelligence agencies brief the committee on what was known, if anything, about Hasan by the U.S. intelligence community, only to be refused.
In response, Hoekstra issued a document preservation request to four intelligence agencies. The letter, dated November 7th, was sent to directors Dennis Blair (DNI), Robert Mueller (FBI), Lt. Gen Keith Alexander (NSA) and Leon Panetta (CIA).
Now that the upper echelon of Army brass, Congress, CIA, and other intelligence/law enforcement agencies are involved with the Ft. Hood shooting, we can firmly classify this is a political news story.
If Prisoner retaliates by closing this thread, too, it will make it fairly obvious that he has some agenda that is taking the place of fair, objective moderation.
Now that that is out of the way, let's discuss the sociopolitical implications of the Ft. Hood shooting, y'all.
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Re: Nidal Hasan Tried To Contact Al Qaida, US Officials Knew Months Ago [Re: THC Titan]
#11418890 - 11/09/09 12:11 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just like 9/11, it was another Muslim-influenced terrorist attack on our soil. 
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Re: Nidal Hasan Tried To Contact Al Qaida, US Officials Knew Months Ago [Re: Poid]
#11418952 - 11/09/09 12:21 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Poid said:
Just like 9/11, it was another Muslim-influenced terrorist attack on our soil.
I think that's a harmful oversimplification. Hasan joined the military as a doctor and mental health professional, and played some role in assisting U.S. soldiers returning from overseas conflict with head trauma, mental problems, and stress. Although it will be interesting to learn how premeditated this attack was, I don't think that he has always had the intent of killing his fellow countrymen.
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Re: Nidal Hasan Tried To Contact Al Qaida, US Officials Knew Months Ago [Re: THC Titan]
#11418967 - 11/09/09 12:23 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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THC Titan said:
Although it will be interesting to learn how premeditated this attack was, I don't think that he has always had the intent of killing his fellow countrymen.
Well, I didn't say it was "just like 9/11" in every sense, only in the sense that I mentioned; obviously, there are some major differences in both of these events.
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Re: Nidal Hasan Tried To Contact Al Qaida, US Officials Knew Months Ago [Re: THC Titan]
#11419339 - 11/09/09 01:19 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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it's speculation, how is it that ABC news has access to intelligence reports while the Senate Intelligence Committee doesnt?
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Re: Nidal Hasan Tried To Contact Al Qaida, US Officials Knew Months Ago [Re: Prisoner#1]
#11419426 - 11/09/09 01:31 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said:
it's speculation, how is it that ABC news has access to intelligence reports while the Senate Intelligence Committee doesnt?
Who says they don't?
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Re: Nidal Hasan Tried To Contact Al Qaida, US Officials Knew Months Ago [Re: Prisoner#1]
#11419449 - 11/09/09 01:34 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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How do you know what the SIC has? Answer; You don't. Here's some more.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6526030/Fort-Hood-gunman-had-told-US-military-colleagues-that-infidels-should-have-their-throats-cut.html
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Fort Hood gunman had told US military colleagues that infidels should have their throats cut
Major Nidal Malik Hasan, the gunman who killed 13 at America's Fort Hood military base, once gave a lecture to other doctors in which he said non-believers should be beheaded and have boiling oil poured down their throats.
There's lots more, too. You can lock look 'em up.
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Re: Nidal Hasan Tried To Contact Al Qaida, US Officials Knew Months Ago [Re: THC Titan]
#11419455 - 11/09/09 01:35 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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 I knew this was coming.
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Re: Nidal Hasan Tried To Contact Al Qaida, US Officials Knew Months Ago [Re: Prisoner#1]
#11419457 - 11/09/09 01:35 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Is this political yet?
Anent to my earlier locked posts regarding the fact that people were afraid to blow the whistle on this tool because he was Muslim, that the case of the Flying Imams had a direct and chilling effect on anyone with deep suspicions, and that this is clearly motivated by a desire to fight for Muslim nations over the US there can no longer be any justification for locking ANY of the threads about this guy and the only motivation on the part of anyone to lock the threads is to squelch speech about something he finds uncomfortably true and possibly too close to home. The charade can no longer be maintained that this is solely a religious issue, although the abuser will no doubt capriciously declare it so and lock the thread yet again. What is this? The tenth thread about this? Maybe somebody should mod some other forum if he can't stand dissenting opinions in Politics
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Re: Nidal Hasan Tried To Contact Al Qaida, US Officials Knew Months Ago [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#11419614 - 11/09/09 02:02 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
it's speculation, how is it that ABC news has access to intelligence reports while the Senate Intelligence Committee doesnt?
Who says they don't?
a reason to question the validity
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/fort-hood-shooter-contact-al-qaeda-terrorists-officials/story?id=9030873
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Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-MI), the ranking Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, said that he requested the CIA and other intelligence agencies brief the committee on what was known, if anything, about Hasan by the U.S. intelligence community, only to be refused.
In response, Hoekstra issued a document preservation request to four intelligence agencies. The letter, dated November 7th, was sent to directors Dennis Blair (DNI), Robert Mueller (FBI), Lt. Gen Keith Alexander (NSA) and Leon Panetta (CIA).
Hoekstra said he is "absolutely furious" that the house intel committee has been refused an intelligence briefing by the DNI or CIA on Hasan's attempt to reach out to al Qaeda, as first reported by ABC News.
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Re: Nidal Hasan Tried To Contact Al Qaida, US Officials Knew Months Ago [Re: zappaisgod]
#11419657 - 11/09/09 02:11 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said:
Is this political yet?
Anent to my earlier locked posts regarding the fact that people were afraid to blow the whistle on this tool because he was Muslim
not if you keep interjecting religion into it, what ever happened to
that whole separation of church and state crap you guys keep insisting
on, is it only when it suits you?
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that the case of the Flying Imams
uh... durkadurka... show the correlation, did they shoot up a military
base? it's easy to show the correlation to this jackass with any number
of other individuals that were not recommended to counciling yet were
viewed by others as deeply disturbed
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Re: Nidal Hasan Tried To Contact Al Qaida, US Officials Knew Months Ago [Re: Prisoner#1]
#11419811 - 11/09/09 02:31 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said:
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luvdemshrooms said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
it's speculation, how is it that ABC news has access to intelligence reports while the Senate Intelligence Committee doesnt?
Who says they don't?
a reason to question the validity
Which leads to part II of the question.
Why the fuck would you believe it?
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Re: Nidal Hasan Tried To Contact Al Qaida, US Officials Knew Months Ago [Re: Prisoner#1]
#11419872 - 11/09/09 02:39 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said:
it's speculation, how is it that ABC news has access to intelligence reports while the Senate Intelligence Committee doesnt?
The article did not claim ABC News had direct access to the classified material.
It says "two American officials briefed on classified material in the case told ABC News."
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Re: Nidal Hasan Tried To Contact Al Qaida, US Officials Knew Months Ago [Re: Prisoner#1]
#11419891 - 11/09/09 02:42 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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That we can't have a discussion about this topic because Priz finds it troubling, or offensive is ridiculous.
I won't be posting here anymore.
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Re: Nidal Hasan Tried To Contact Al Qaida, US Officials Knew Months Ago [Re: Madtowntripper]
#11419917 - 11/09/09 02:45 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Madtowntripper said:
That we can't have a discussion about this topic because Priz finds it troubling, or offensive is ridiculous.
I won't be posting here anymore.
Seriously, me too.
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Re: Nidal Hasan Tried To Contact Al Qaida, US Officials Knew Months Ago [Re: THC Titan]
#11419960 - 11/09/09 02:51 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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THC Titan said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
it's speculation, how is it that ABC news has access to intelligence reports while the Senate Intelligence Committee doesnt?
The article did not claim ABC News had direct access to the classified material.
It says "two American officials briefed on classified material in the case told ABC News."
ok so a couple of guys pulled it out of their ass, gave the info to ABC,
were the officials supervisors in the sanitation department or what
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Re: Nidal Hasan Tried To Contact Al Qaida, US Officials Knew Months Ago [Re: DieCommie]
#11420106 - 11/09/09 03:16 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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DieCommie said:
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Madtowntripper said:
That we can't have a discussion about this topic because Priz finds it troubling, or offensive is ridiculous.
I won't be posting here anymore.
Seriously, me too.
I third that.
Absolutely absurd.
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Re: Nidal Hasan Tried To Contact Al Qaida, US Officials Knew Months Ago [Re: zorbman]
#11420126 - 11/09/09 03:19 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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zorbman said:
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DieCommie said:
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Madtowntripper said:
That we can't have a discussion about this topic because Priz finds it troubling, or offensive is ridiculous.
I won't be posting here anymore.
Seriously, me too.
I third that.
Absolutely absurd.
it's the consistency you demanded, I dont post a lot, I dont ban or warn
people a lot, I lock a few threads and you're suddenly up in arms enough
to start flooding my PM box over one that's a troll
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Re: Nidal Hasan Tried To Contact Al Qaida, US Officials Knew Months Ago [Re: Prisoner#1]
#11420141 - 11/09/09 03:22 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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This is very disturbing... it goes to show that when whackos make up their mind... there is not deterring them or stopping them...
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Re: Nidal Hasan Tried To Contact Al Qaida, US Officials Knew Months Ago [Re: zorbman]
#11420142 - 11/09/09 03:22 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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zorbman said:
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DieCommie said:
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Madtowntripper said:
That we can't have a discussion about this topic because Priz finds it troubling, or offensive is ridiculous.
I won't be posting here anymore.
Seriously, me too.
I third that.
Absolutely absurd.
to think this is anything but a political matter is absurd.
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