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 Re: Perception on LSD/Psilocybin : A deeper reality or wonderful delusion? [Re: ThirdEye4103]
#12286054 - 03/28/10 12:56 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Here's my take on it:
We equate our perception of reality when we're sober as the "default," objective view of the world.
We must realize everything is subjective and there is no single way of looking at things. There are things we can't perceive sober that we perceive on shrooms, and that view of reality is no less valid than our sober view.
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Re: Perception on LSD/Psilocybin : A deeper reality or wonderful delusion? [Re: BeTheFlowers]
#12286610 - 03/28/10 07:44 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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They show us the world in a different way. What we see under influence of these substances isn't real, but what we see/hear/feel when we're sober, is that real? For example; we can only hear sounds in the range from 20 to 20.000 Hz, but does it mean that sounds below or above this range doesn't exist? No, we just don't hear them. So in how far can we say we perceive reality as it is? How about bats, they navigate with ultrasonic sounds, but how do they 'see' the environment? Are these sounds transformed into images?
Reality as we perceive it is subjective. Mushrooms show us reality in another way, they show us that reality as we perceive it is formed by the 'translation' of impulses we get from our environment.
On my latest trip I learned how important language is in the build-up of our reality. We think in words, so the more words you know, the more specific you can think. Words are like chains between information in the formation of our (subjective) reality.
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Re: Perception on LSD/Psilocybin : A deeper reality or wonderful delusion? [Re: noticeofeviction]
#12286781 - 03/28/10 08:31 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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noticeofeviction said:
Here's my take on it:
We equate our perception of reality when we're sober as the "default," objective view of the world.
We must realize everything is subjective and there is no single way of looking at things. There are things we can't perceive sober that we perceive on shrooms, and that view of reality is no less valid than our sober view.
wow, my belief is the EXACT opposite.
we may "think" our sober reality is objective, but our logical minds get persuaded and led into millions upon millions of subjectivities. Normal thought patterns lend to subjective thinking. when we take psychedelic drugs, we then open ourselves up to the different plane of thought. This common ground we find ourselves on while we are on psychedelic drugs is objectivity, which is why people are so easy to relate with while tripping. this is the true magic of psychedelics, allowing for concrete objectivity presents us with the ability to connect with ourselves, with other people and with our external physical world much easier than we can while sober.
it is no "deep reality"
its just a wonderful delusion. a Heaven on Earth, if you will.
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noticeofeviction
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Re: Perception on LSD/Psilocybin : A deeper reality or wonderful delusion? [Re: AntiEverything]
#12287166 - 03/28/10 10:03 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Haha, interesting, Anti
I think when tripping together people definitely find a "common ground," but to label this common ground "objectivity" would be quite a stretch.
However, a common ground is still a common ground, which helps people relate to each other while tripping.
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Re: Perception on LSD/Psilocybin : A deeper reality or wonderful delusion? [Re: noticeofeviction]
#12287716 - 03/28/10 12:15 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I like it.
I agree that the psychedelic reality is more objective than the sober one, though I've never really thought of it that way. Makes sense of why so many people have so many different beliefs around the world yet generally speaking psychonauts will have a similar outlook on life.
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Re: Perception on LSD/Psilocybin : A deeper reality or wonderful delusion? [Re: ThirdEye4103]
#15795732 - 02/11/12 11:20 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Entheogens stimulate our dna causing greater communication between cells within our bodies. Not only sending more information but also making us more receptive to the information being sent out from other living bodies... deepening the connection we have not only to ourselves but the people and all other living things around us...
Maybe all of reality is just a controlled psychadelic experience?
Haha. Or maybe I need to take less... 
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Re: Perception on LSD/Psilocybin : A deeper reality or wonderful delusion? [Re: solstice]
#15801908 - 02/13/12 06:27 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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solstice said:
First of all I think it is important to approach LSD and Psilocybin separataly here. As you probably know, psilocybin is a tryptamine while LSD is not. Tryptamines are part of the normal brain chemistry, LSD is not, so we cannot compare them when trying to determine if their effects have concrete value or not.
This simple fact, to me, suggests that psilocybin has the upper hand over lSD.
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Instinctively, and for the sake of “rational” thought, one wants to say it's all a delusion, created by the chemical-brain interaction.
This is quite true, but it cannot be hold against the effects generated by psychedelic substances, especially tryptamines because, as I have said previously, tryptamines are part of the normal brain chemistry, serotonin being one. And so, if we are to dismiss the psychedelic world view because it is chemicaly influenced, we might as well dismiss the " regular ' world view as well because it is also made up of chemicals. Tryptamines being the link between everyday brainchemistry and psychedelic brainchemistry.
Why is any of that relevant? Just because the brain contains chemicals from the same chemical class as psilocybin doesn't mean psilocybin has the "upper hand" over an ergoline.
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