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 Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: Twiztidsage]
#11395782 - 11/06/09 02:56 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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ScavengerType said:
IME, god always makes for a bad trip. I prefer not to think about the christian god while tripping. He's way too omnipresent and all controlling and will invariably lead someone to a hyper-paranoid state. Such a concept is best left out of someone's mind during a mushroom trip.
Only if you believe in god.
When your high you can believe in some fucked up shit, especially if you have had such a nutty concoction as this god figure reinforced into your mind as a factual entity.
I had a bad trip once when my GF asked me what god's last name was and I kept thinking he was watching me and it was creeping me out, he is a creepy fellow always staring about at your buisness and presumably judging you. As a literary character I would characterize him as a subjective super-villain.
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"Have you ever seen what happens when a grenade goes off in a school? Do you really know what you’re doing when you order shock and awe? Are you prepared to kneel beside a dying soldier and tell him why he went to Iraq, or why he went to any war?"
"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
- Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now.
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: ScavengerType]
#11396277 - 11/06/09 06:41 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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God loves us and only wants the best for us.
Edited by Peacefuel (11/06/09 07:07 AM)
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: dispizeme]
#11398239 - 11/06/09 12:24 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Is he a troll, or just an idiot? I can't tell.
Why is he an idiot?
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: Twiztidsage]
#11398594 - 11/06/09 01:11 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Is he a troll, or just an idiot? I can't tell.
Why is he an idiot?
me or the Jesus freak?
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"Have you ever seen what happens when a grenade goes off in a school? Do you really know what you’re doing when you order shock and awe? Are you prepared to kneel beside a dying soldier and tell him why he went to Iraq, or why he went to any war?"
"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
- Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now.
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: ScavengerType]
#11402034 - 11/06/09 11:48 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: dispizeme]
#11411574 - 11/08/09 01:28 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wow thats fucked up, he sounds like a retard - even if he did that messed up he still showed a really bad ability and he shouldnt be considered responsible enough to remain in society, no? What if he has another psychotic episode from drugs or something else... wtf pleading for insanity isnt sufficient IMO
wow I just realized how much religion was mixed up into this case, talk about a lot of psychological issues behind this whole deal... wow
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: andrewss]
#11418634 - 11/09/09 11:39 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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wtf pleading for insanity isnt sufficient IMO
wow I just realized how much religion was mixed up into this case,
I’m with you, and it seems the judge agrees as well. On Friday he instructed the jury that they no longer had the option of finding Hotz not guilty by reason of insanity. They should be deliberating as we speak and can find him guilty of anything from first degree murder to manslaughter.
I’m not sure how good of an idea it is to try and find spiritual truths when tripping. I’m not saying God won’t speak to us when we’re high, I’ve written some pretty good songs when I was stoned, but I think you need to be on a firm footing in your faith. There is a spiritual battle that wages in the life of a believer. If you’re not strong in you’re understanding evil can also use your trip to twist the truth. Hotz was quoted as saying that he felt an evil sensation. I’m no expert, I’m just here to share and try to make some sense of this. I do want to apologize for all the professing Christians who have a self serving agenda or think they are better than someone. This is not what Christ is about. Though seemingly the minority, there are true disciples out there seeking only to fulfill thier God given calling and make a positive difference. It’s an awesome journey, I assure you ~peace
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: Peacefuel]
#11418945 - 11/09/09 12:20 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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I can bet that he had mental issues before the episode and the mushrooms were just a catalyst to bring them out. IMO an insanity plea sounds quite reasonable. It's not as if they are trying to plead that it was temporary insanity (the way it sounds) and that he should be released right away. I doubt that putting him in prison would change him for the better if he does have delusions that could have caused the problem. If you believe in an eye for an eye then call for his eye, but if you believe in rehabilitation then call for the appropriate rehabilitation.
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"Have you ever seen what happens when a grenade goes off in a school? Do you really know what you’re doing when you order shock and awe? Are you prepared to kneel beside a dying soldier and tell him why he went to Iraq, or why he went to any war?"
"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
- Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now.
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: vermoholic]
#11419774 - 11/09/09 02:26 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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OR MORE IMPORTANTLY, for those of you who are growers out there, this can call into question the ethics of your hobby, especially if you are distributing in some way. What if that eighth was produced by a shroomery member? I wouldn't be surprised.
what are you babbling about? there are millions of different types of people and millions of different things effect thwem in millions of different ways.
do you know almost more people died from swine flu vaccine than from the swine flu itself? do you know over 400 people per year in the US die from penicillin allergies? does that ignore the millions of lives it saved? your way of thinking is limited.
how about alcohol that is available at every store? who takes the blame for the "questionable ethics" as you say in that?
# 5% of all deaths from diseases of the circulatory system are attributed to alcohol.
# 15% of all deaths from diseases of the respiratory system are attributed to alcohol.
# 30% of all deaths from accidents caused by fire and flames are attributed to alcohol.
# 30% of all accidental drownings are attributed to alcohol.
# 30% of all suicides are attributed to alcohol.
# 40% of all deaths due to accidental falls are attributed to alcohol.
# 45% of all deaths in automobile accidents are attributed to alcohol.
# 60% of all homicides are attributed to alcohol.
mushrooms probably take up like 0.0001 % of all that. and when that tiny % happens, "serious" world goes bananas. meditate on that.
well said!
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: Twiztidsage]
#11420086 - 11/09/09 03:13 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hotz guilty of second degree murder, five other counts
By KERRI REMPP, Record staff writer
The jury in the murder trial of Joseph Hotz returned six guilty verdicts and two not guilty verdicts at 2 p.m. Monday. Hotz was found guilty of the second degree murder of Kenny Pfeiffer, Jr., the second degree attempted murder of Rolland Sayer, making terroristic threats, and three counts of use of a deadly weapon to commit a felony.
He was found not guilty of attempted robbery and one count of use of a weapon to commit a felony.
Pfeiffer’s mother, Billie, shed tears as the verdicts were read and made quick phone calls to her daughter and ex-husband, Kenneth Sr., to share the news. Relief started flooding her body, she said, as the initial guilty verdicts were read. While she trusted the system, she said she and her family were nervous about the outcome because it happened in a small community and so many people know the Hotz family and even the jury members.
“We felt like a lot of things were stacked against us,” she said.
The trial, which began with jury selection Nov. 2 and testimony Nov. 3, lasted until 3 p.m. Friday, when the jury began its deliberations. They recessed for the weekend and resumed Monday morning. The wait over the weekend was difficult, Ms. Pfeiffer said.
The family and friends who came to support them had to keep reminding themselves that there were a lot of charges to go through. They spent their lunch Monday reviewing statutes, trying to figure out what verdicts might be returned.
“I’m just glad that it’s over today, and it’s done,” she said, passing on thanks to her son’s best friend, Jon Quinn, who traveled from Florida to be on hand for the trial, and to her friends Chick Big Crow and Bonnie Holy Rock. Ms. Pfeiffer said she wasn’t able to bear sitting in for most of the trial, but her friends and Quinn were able to keep her informed. They were also able to shield her from the details she says she still doesn’t want to think about.
“Knowing what he went through devastated us,” she said, referring to herself and her son’s father. “I was originally not going to come because I couldn’t bear to be in the same room with Joey.”
Ms. Pfeiffer opened testimony in the case, talking about her son and how he lived with her for a time before enrolling at Chadron State College. She avoided most of the rest of the trial, sitting in only for the testimony be the defense’s expert witness. With the ordeal behind her, she can now remember “Little Kenny” as he was – the center of their family’s universe, a man with a beautiful smile and laugh.
“He made friends so easily. He liked everyone he met,” she said. The family was proud that he was studying to become a teacher and coach, and his place at CSC gave her a chance to help him with schoolwork over the phone and form a deeper bond with her son, Ms. Pfeiffer said.
“He was my son but he was my friend, too.”
Hotz, 26, was charged with first degree murder and first degree attempted murder, as well as the related weapons and terroristic threats charges, but the jury had instructions to consider second degree charges and manslaughter if they believed the state had not met its burden of proof for the higher premeditated charges.
“Though nothing will bring Mr. Pfeiffer back, we believe justice has been served,” said Dawes County Attorney Vance Haug after the verdicts were issued. “The State respects the jury’s verdict. It was a lengthy and difficult trial with a lot of evidence to absorb.” Testimony and evidence presented during the trial showed two roommates who were friends and apparently got along well. Pfeiffer and Hotz both had psilocybin mushrooms and marijuana in their bodies, as evidenced by toxicology reports and Hotz’s own statements to police. The defense contended throughout the week that the mushrooms caused Hotz to enter a drug-induced psychosis and delirium, and attorney Jeff Pickens said those two conditions amounted to not guilty by reason of insanity. Judge Brian Silverman, however, refused to allow the defense’s expert witness to tell the jury if Hotz could tell the difference between right and wrong at the time of Pfeiffer’s death and the attack on Sayer. He also refused to let the jury consider a not guilty by reason of insanity verdict.
That left the jury with the responsibility of finding Hotz either guilty or not guilty based on intent and whether or not they believed Hotz had consumed enough of the drugs to be incapable of forming intent to commit the crimes.
Haug said he was not surprised by the judge’s decision on the insanity verdict.
“It’s always been the State’s theory that this wasn’t an insanity case. Mr. Hotz was not and is not insane,” he said.
Assistant Attorney General Doug Warner argued in his closing that voluntary intoxication should not negate a guilty verdict, pointing out that Hotz had taken the drugs before and knew they could make him paranoid. Hotz’s attorneys claimed their client was convinced his roommate wanted to kill him, saying he hallucinated hearing people outside of the home tapping on the windows and believed so vehemently in the plot to kill him that when he left the home on Shelton Street he did so by breaking through a double-paned sliding patio door instead of simply opening one of the doors to the home.
Both Susan Jensen and Rolland Sayer, who came into contact with Hotz after the altercation with Pfeiffer, testified Hotz did not appear “normal” or “in his right mind.” After Hotz was arrested, he was kept in a patrol car while officers investigated the events of the evening for approximately two hours. The in-car recordings from that time period depict Hotz as bouncing back and forth from relative calm and silence to periods of intense screaming, where he called for family members, friends and begged for God’s mercy. He often corrected dispatchers when they said the incorrect address for his home at 935 Shelton, rattled off his birthday and listed names of family and their relation to him.
While the verdicts were read in open court, Hotz sat quietly with his hands folded in front of him. He will be sentenced Jan. 12, 2010, at 1:30 p.m. Haug said the second degree murder charge carries a sentence of 20 years to life, while the second degree attempted murder has a maximum of 50 years. The three weapons charges each carry a maximum of 20 years as well, and the terroristic threat charge has a maximum of five years. Haug said each of the weapons charges also comes with an automatic consecutive sentence, meaning that sentence must be served after the sentence for its related charge.
Pickens said the defense will file a motion for a new trial within 10 days. Should that be overruled, they will file an appeal.
The exclusion of the insanity defense devastated Pickens and Dawes County Public Defender Paul Wess, Pickens said when asked about that element of the trial by The Chadron Record.
“We had based our entire strategy on a defense that wasn’t available to the jury,” he said. The ruling by the judge took him by surprise. Prosecutors had requested that the defense’s expert witness not be allowed to testify on insanity, but Judge Silverman had advised all attorneys involved in early October that he would allow the witness to testify on the elements of insanity.
“Judges have the right to reverse their rulings on motions,” Pickens explained, but Hotz’s defense relied largely on the idea that the jury would have the insanity defense to consider.
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: Peacefuel]
#11420979 - 11/09/09 05:26 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Why on earth did they remove the possibility of an insanity plea? I blame the prison industrial complex. I've heard of at least 2 cases where I lived and people got sent to psych on insanity pleas where drugs influenced their thinking and I'm not even sure they were on them at the time. I wonder how this would have went if he did this while drunk.
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"Have you ever seen what happens when a grenade goes off in a school? Do you really know what you’re doing when you order shock and awe? Are you prepared to kneel beside a dying soldier and tell him why he went to Iraq, or why he went to any war?"
"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
- Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now.
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: Peacefuel]
#11778473 - 01/06/10 04:48 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Verdict is due in less than 6 days, Tuesday 12th Jan. Keep us posted.
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All of the above posts are the fevered imaginings of a deluded mind, itself entirely the fictional creation of a somewhat peculiar author with a bizarre sense of humour.
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